***June SNG Thread***

[WiZZiM]

One of my main reasons for not 3betting, besides being in early position and holding JJ, is that one of the regs behind me has been known to 3bet/4bet shove behind me when I'm raising weak players. If I was holding QQ+ it's a definite 3bet. But with him back there I just wanted to see a cheap flop and then see where I stood.

And Wizzim, I think it's a rare thing to pick up suited JJ? Am I wrong?

It's not as rare in my home games... my chops are pro...

i think i was replying to a differant hand, or ive just completely misread it.. probably the latter, imma spaz

 

[Pokertron3000]

I would let the hand go dg. Also I think maybe this could have been a raise despite the players to act in front, maybe a good time to put the re-raiser to the test?

Cj I could fold AJ with that many players that early I usally get myself into trouble with those hands in those spots, I find people will call a 3x raise with almost anything at the start so I would consider raising a little more if I was going to play it.

In other news my HEM trial runs out today and I withdrew the money I was going to use to buy it oops, well I will have to do my best to win the volume bet and use that money!

 

[dg1267]

It's not as rare in my home games... my chops are pro...

i think i was replying to a differant hand, or ive just completely misread it.. probably the latter, imma spaz

I kinda figured that, but I thought I'd bust your chops a little anyhow!

 

[dare22]

I will try to make some goals this month and earn some money on sng's, so June be prepared.

 

[WiZZiM]

Wish i had more time to play MTT's, im fast becoming addicted... no really, i need another fix soon...

 

[Debi]

I will try to make some goals this month and earn some money on sng's, so June be prepared.

Welcome to Cardschat and to our thread!

 

[cjatud2012]

I'm never sure of myself in this spot, I feel like I have him crushed but I hate calling so early...


PokerStars - $3+$0.40|25/50 NL (10 max) - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

MP+1: $2,445.00
CO: $1,280.00
BTN: $1,670.00
SB: $1,390.00
BB: $2,270.00
UTG: $3,040.00
UTG+1: $1,440.00
Hero (MP): $1,465.00

SB posts SB $25.00, BB posts BB $50.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $75.00) Hero has T:heart: T:spade:

fold, fold, Hero raises to $150.00, fold, CO raises to $1,280.00 and is all-in, fold, fold, fold, Hero ???

 

[dmorris68]

I'm never sure of myself in this spot, I feel like I have him crushed but I hate calling so early...

Unless I had a really good read that he's a spaz, I'd be folding TT and probably even JJ here. This early with the effective stacks this large I just don't see putting it on the line here for $225. If he (or you) were SS it would be different.

 

[dg1267]

Yeah, cj, you're putting in a raise saying you have a hand and he's saying he's willing to play you for all your chips. The best you can get here is a coin flip, I think. And in middle position, you can even cut your raise back to 2.5xBB to keep this type of thing from hurting too bad when you have to fold. But you have to make that a standard raise size for yourself in MP, not just when you have mediocre hands, otherwise it can be exploited really easy.

 

[jasdell]

CJ the first hand with AJ I'm poppin it up to 150 (5x BB) I'm assuming anyone with a better ace would of raised by now so we're probably ahead and we have position so why not exploit it. Also, many times I limp with hands like 67s in this situ only to have the blinds pop it up to like 250 because no one has shown any strength where I feel I have to fold. I think this move curtails their repop and honestly even if one of the limpers pops all in (provided its not the first limper) I'm still only expecting them to have a hand like pocket 8s (but I probably couldn't call the all in). Anyway kind of a stream of thoughts on that one, I just don't like playing AJ super multi-way and I'm not folding it here yet.


And DG and CJ both the next hands I feel deserve similar advice... I think you're probably ahead in this situation, I just would prefer to wait for a better spot.

CJ I'd shove it if villain has been particularly dumb

And DJ I probably would of bet out that flop to get a feel where I was. If they repop I'm out and if they call and open raise the turn I'm out, other wise I think I'm checking it down after the flop bet unless I improve with the J. At the 3$ games I've seen a bunch of players do downright dumb stuff and you may well be ahead, but I don't like it enough to put all my money into the middle which is looking possible with the reraise.

 

[jasdell]

Well, I've been running pretty good over the last couple days especially and with the first week of June over with I thought I would share my graph.

It's about 4$ short of my graph for the entire month of May

 

[WiZZiM]

It's a really sexy graph... mmmmmmmmmmmm

 

[dg1267]

Thanks for the comments on my hand. I did fold the JJ there. I really thought I was ahead and probably was. After I folded the BB called, turn come out a blank and BB checked and UTG bet 120 and BB folded Oh well.

Very nice graph for the start of the month, jasdell. Lookin' good.

I've finally learned how to set decent goals for myself and actually have a heading to shoot for. So I'll post them now, even though the month is well under way.

Goals for the rest of June-

1. Study one hour per day on both videos and forums for a total of 2 hours per day on 9man SnG's.

2. Do a session review every day (as best I can) on the games from the day before and a weekly one on the weekends.

3. Play 75-100 $3.30 9man non-turbo SnG's per week. This is going to be the tough one, as these games are soooo slow!

 

[dmorris68]

Heh, the rigtards always talk about how FT is rigged towards river suckouts. Many hold up PS by comparison as being "more fair."

Of course they're FOS, and I've seen enough river suckouts on Stars since I started playing there again to say it's absolutely no different than FT.

Villain here is a 43/10 fish who limps every other hand and hit a lot of lucky flops to build a big stack. I figured I'd finally got him. LOL, the joke's on me...

poker stars $20.00+$0.80 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t75/t150 Blinds + t15 - 9 players - View hand 746325
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

CO: t1080 M = 3
BTN: t2590 M = 7.19
SB: t1255 M = 3.49
BB: t1490 M = 4.14
UTG: t1565 M = 4.35
UTG+1: t1615 M = 4.49
UTG+2: t1185 M = 3.29
MP1: t2375 M = 6.60
Hero (MP2): t1845 M = 5.12

Pre Flop: (t360) Hero is MP2 with K ♦ K ♣
3 folds, MP1 raises to t600, Hero raises to t1830 all in, 4 folds, MP1 calls t1230

Flop: (t4020) 5 ♥ 7 ♥ 7 ♠ (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t4020) 3 ♠ (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t4020) A ♥ (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t4020
MP1 shows 6 ♦ A ♦ (two pair, Aces and Sevens)
Hero shows K ♦ K ♣ (two pair, Kings and Sevens)
MP1 wins t4020

 

[cjatud2012]

^^ I always get excited in that situation too, lol, but then the dealer seems to let me down a lot. And yes, Stars is definitely just as brutal as Tilt.

What are some good stats for when you get heads up in a STT? Obviously it's going to vary depending on where the blinds are at, opponent types, etc., but I'm afraid I'm very much in the wrong direction. This month, I'm at like 26/15 in the BB, and my SB is like 86/73 (yikes!!). My WTSD is like 75%, and my W$SD for both spots is only like 40%... Doesn't seem right, lol.

 

[dmorris68]

Not a HU specialist or anything but 26/15 from the BB sounds way tight to me. Shouldn't you be seeing a flop with at least 50% of hands here, if not more? I might be mistaken, but I believe the tournament book I'm reading now advises playing ~80% from either position once HU. Depending on blind/stack ratios, any reasonable raise should be called with almost ATC, while most limps should be raised. I'll see if I can find where he discusses that...

 

[cjatud2012]

What book are you reading?

 

[arahel_jazz]

full tilt poker Game #21503003890: $2 + $0.25 Sit & Go (165825531), Table 16 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:06:35 ET - 2010/06/10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to arahel_jazz [Qc Ac]
folds
arahel_jazz raises to 120
folds
folds
folds
folds
villan raises to 900
folds
arahel_jazz calls 780
*** FLOP *** [Kc Jc Tc]
villan bets 1,040, and is all in
arahel_jazz: ???? (I have him covered)


Only my second ever.

 

[dmorris68]

What book are you reading?

The Poker Tournament Formula, Vols I & II. Almost done with Vol I.

Definitely a different approach taken than with conventional tourney books like HoH, but I like it -- he covers things that I haven't seen other authors cover. And of course it's mainly about "fast" MTTs (as almost all online MTTs are). Vol II may delve into slower tourneys, I'm not sure. Doesn't deal much with STTs though so that advice might not be right. HU in a MTT are going to likely have larger stacks in relation to the blinds than a STT would, so it may not be correct to play as many hands. I've read Moshman's SnG book a couple years ago and at the time wasn't actually playing SnGs so it didn't really stick -- I should go back and read it now that I'm playing a few STTs. He also has a HU book, doesn't he?

EDIT: Yes he does, "Heads-Up No-Limit Hold'em."

 

[cjatud2012]

jazz, this would be me in that situation:

The Poker Tournament Formula, Vols I & II. Almost done with Vol I.

Definitely a different approach taken than with conventional tourney books like HoH, but I like it -- he covers things that I haven't seen other authors cover. And of course it's mainly about "fast" MTTs (as almost all online MTTs are). Vol II may delve into slower tourneys, I'm not sure. Doesn't deal much with STTs though so that advice might not be right. HU in a MTT are going to likely have larger stacks in relation to the blinds than a STT would, so it may not be correct to play as many hands. I've read Moshman's SnG book a couple years ago and at the time wasn't actually playing SnGs so it didn't really stick -- I should go back and read it now that I'm playing a few STTs. He also has a HU book, doesn't he?

I've heard that's a very interesting read, like you said, it's supposed to offer a very different take on tournaments. And yeah, Moshman did release a HU book, don't have it unfortunately. He doesn't talk much about HU in his SNG book, mostly he just says to be aggressive but also to adjust to your opponent.

 

[dmorris68]

Dealt to arahel_jazz [Qc Ac]
...
*** FLOP *** [Kc Jc Tc]
villan bets 1,040, and is all in
arahel_jazz: ???? (I have him covered)

Fold, ldo. Why risk crippling yourself so early in a tourney?

I've heard that's a very interesting read, like you said, it's supposed to offer a very different take on tournaments.

His rock-paper-scissors analogy makes a lot of sense to me, and his position play approach was very interesting. I mean, duh, I understand the importance of position, but his take on it enlightened me as to just how important it really is. His position play technique works surprisingly well against players who aren't quick to pick up on what you're doing. He suggests as an experiment to buy into a small stakes (as much as you're comfortable "experimenting" with) tourney, cover up your hole cards, and bet/raise strictly your position based on his guidelines -- never looking at your cards. I've not gone that far, but I have tried the approach of ignoring my cards and playing his position strategy during some early stages and it has actually worked pretty well, but I keep feeling like people see right through it so I don't have the nerve to do it long.

 

[arahel_jazz]

Fold, ldo. Why risk crippling yourself so early in a tourney?

Almost timed out between fist-pumping and trying to grab a screen shot...

 

[WiZZiM]

Almost timed out between fist-pumping and trying to grab a screen shot...

hahahha, you slow rolled him too? classic...

 

[dg1267]

Did you accidentally time out while doing the "OMG LOLZ You just got busted" dance? Very nice hand!

Edit: By the way, what the hell did he show up with here?

Full Tilt Poker Game #21503003890: $2 + $0.25 Sit & Go (165825531), Table 16 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:06:35 ET - 2010/06/10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to arahel_jazz [Qc Ac]
folds
arahel_jazz raises to 120
folds
folds
folds
folds
villan raises to 900
folds
arahel_jazz calls 780
*** FLOP *** [Kc Jc Tc]
villan bets 1,040, and is all in
arahel_jazz: ???? (I have him covered)


Only my second ever.

 

[dg1267]

Well, about a third of the way through the month and I'm doing alright. I'm still way above EV and I can't really figure that one out. I'm playing around an 11/7/2.6 game. I'm guessing because I'm hitting a lot of luck on HU once I get there. Not sure about that though. But here's my graph since the beginning of the month.

Edit: I just checked all of my hands for these tournies and it says I'm only up $11.32 in EV. Not really sure why this graph is showing me at over $50+.