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WiZZiM
Legend
Silver Level
Open limping in early middle possy with small pairs(22-9's) is fine, as were hoping to get a big multiway pot with bad players behind us and when we hit our set, were more likely to get paid.
If were limping behind, we want to have hands that play well postflop, hands like AJoff arn't really those type of hands. If and when we decide to go nuts with TPDK in a multiway pot, its more likely that they will outflop us as there is more people in the pot. So were generally going to be playing a pot control line. Thus, id prefer isoraising with hands like AJ off as, we really don't want the blinds in cheaply, we just want to get heads up against the obvious fish. But i'm limping behind with AJsuited, as its suitedness adds a lot of value to the hand, and it plays much better postflop. And we don't really mind the blinds behind us calling.
If were limping behind, we want to have hands that play well postflop, hands like AJoff arn't really those type of hands. If and when we decide to go nuts with TPDK in a multiway pot, its more likely that they will outflop us as there is more people in the pot. So were generally going to be playing a pot control line. Thus, id prefer isoraising with hands like AJ off as, we really don't want the blinds in cheaply, we just want to get heads up against the obvious fish. But i'm limping behind with AJsuited, as its suitedness adds a lot of value to the hand, and it plays much better postflop. And we don't really mind the blinds behind us calling.
Debi
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It is interesting - my first coach advised limping in EP and MP with small pairs too - but my new coach says fold them. He is super super tight in the early game and very aggressive late. Must be doing something right!
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WiZZiM
Legend
Silver Level
who is your new coach? It sort of depends on buy in level a bit, i mean, if your in games regularly with 6-7 regs, open limping with pairs isn't great, but in low stakes, with tons of fish, eagar to stack off with TPDK, it seems like a really good idea to open limp..
dmorris68
Legend
Loyaler
Yeah, of course everybody has a different idea of strategy so go with what works. Personally, I used to play any PP from any position, but I've learned from other solid players as well as authors who advise to fold small pairs in EP and even MP. So I'm often folding 22-55 in those spots, but I'll limp behind with good implied odds for set mining.
One thing you can do if you have HEM or PT3 is to run a report of those small pairs by position and see how (un)profitable they are to open with OOP. That's one thing that opened my eyes -- I was losing money with them. Granted, this was in cash games, tourneys may take a slightly different strategy. Still many of the tourney strategies I've read suggest folding these early unless you're desperate. As I recall, HoH advises folding all small PP's when your M is in the orange zone, but then shoving them when you're in the red.
Debi
Forum Admin
Administrator
He is one of the coaches at Team Moshman. I will send you his usernames if you want to look him up.
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WiZZiM
Legend
Silver Level
Heh, they sure are, the key is finding a fish and playing them a lot of games in a row...
And is that quote out of the movie "in bruge"?
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Marginal
Junior Member
Silver Level
Yes it is, great movie. but the play is generally bad and I have not found a person that i thought was good enough to quit.
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Pokertron3000
Available for parties
Silver Level
Started 6 tabling today and had fun, pretty much getting my arse handed to me but while at first it frustrated me now I am finding it quite funny that people are getting the exact cards they need to win when dominated, hope I get rb from full tilt think I need a break from stars (not a rigged thing lol) and from sngs it would be nice to have a chance to reload after seeing someone hit a 2 outer or running straight cards etc. Good thing is I am accumalating chips in most games so just wait for hands to hit I may have a chance at hitting some chance of the volume prop.
Marginal I havnt played hyper turbo heads up but got addicted to the hyper turbo sngs at tilt for a night was amazing watching the br swing up and down and fun aswell watching nits play em is so much fun too. Hmm may go and do some on stars with my points when I get back from my walk.
Oh also why is it when you someone sucks out on you sometimes they say sorry I never usally win a race Im like erm you just took all my chips when behind lol. Meh walk then more poker I will be glad when this bet is over.
Marginal I havnt played hyper turbo heads up but got addicted to the hyper turbo sngs at tilt for a night was amazing watching the br swing up and down and fun aswell watching nits play em is so much fun too. Hmm may go and do some on stars with my points when I get back from my walk.
Oh also why is it when you someone sucks out on you sometimes they say sorry I never usally win a race
Im like erm you just took all my chips when behind lol. Meh walk then more poker I will be glad when this bet is over.
coolnout
Legend
Silver Level
wow this hand tilted me so much, chipleader in 90 man and i went out right after the moneys... ugh..
Full Tilt, $1 + $0.10 NL Hold'em Tournament, 150/300 Blinds, 25 Ante, 8 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter
Hero (BB): 38,725
UTG: 19,670
UTG+1: 5,735
MP1: 7,940
MP2: 16,158
CO: 2,657
BTN: 4,020
SB: 4,565
Pre-Flop: (650) T♣ T♥ dealt to Hero (BB)
3 folds, MP2 calls 300, 3 folds, Hero raises to 1,500, MP2 calls 1,200
Flop: (3,350) 3♦ 5♣ 8♥ (2 Players)
Hero bets 2,100, MP2 calls 2,100
Turn: (7,550) 2♥ (2 Players)
Hero bets 35,100 and is All-In, MP2 calls 12,533 and is All-In
River: (32,616) A♦ (2 Players - 1 is All-In)
Results: 32,616 Pot
Hero showed T♣ T♥ and LOST (-15,833 NET)
MP2 showed A♥ 6♦ and WON 32,616 (+16,483 NET)
Full Tilt, $1 + $0.10 NL Hold'em Tournament, 150/300 Blinds, 25 Ante, 8 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter
Hero (BB): 38,725
UTG: 19,670
UTG+1: 5,735
MP1: 7,940
MP2: 16,158
CO: 2,657
BTN: 4,020
SB: 4,565
Pre-Flop: (650) T♣ T♥ dealt to Hero (BB)
3 folds, MP2 calls 300, 3 folds, Hero raises to 1,500, MP2 calls 1,200
Flop: (3,350) 3♦ 5♣ 8♥ (2 Players)
Hero bets 2,100, MP2 calls 2,100
Turn: (7,550) 2♥ (2 Players)
Hero bets 35,100 and is All-In, MP2 calls 12,533 and is All-In
River: (32,616) A♦ (2 Players - 1 is All-In)
Results: 32,616 Pot
Hero showed T♣ T♥ and LOST (-15,833 NET)
MP2 showed A♥ 6♦ and WON 32,616 (+16,483 NET)
dmorris68
Legend
Loyaler
^^^ unlucky. Sucks to get beat by the infamous ace on the river.
But if he had shoved pre as he probably should have, instead of limping and calling down his whole stack, the outcome would have been the same (surely you call a shove with TT against a <3M SS?). So while his decision to get it in slowly instead of preflop seems stupid, especially given your pfr, getting it in here seems pretty standard nonetheless.
Of course this being FullTilt with their constant shuffle, a completely different board would have peeled off since there would be no delay for further action, so you might have actually held up...
But if he had shoved pre as he probably should have, instead of limping and calling down his whole stack, the outcome would have been the same (surely you call a shove with TT against a <3M SS?). So while his decision to get it in slowly instead of preflop seems stupid, especially given your pfr, getting it in here seems pretty standard nonetheless.
Of course this being FullTilt with their constant shuffle, a completely different board would have peeled off since there would be no delay for further action, so you might have actually held up...
Debi
Forum Admin
Administrator
I was getting crushed so stopped playing sng's for the past several days. I am on my way to Vegas and will be meeting up with Team Moshman so maybe some of their sng victory juice will spill on me lol. I will be meeting my coach and he said we could talk about what I should be playing.
Inflight wifi is the nutz!!!
Inflight wifi is the nutz!!!
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Pokertron3000
Available for parties
Silver Level
Daks when I first started at cc was all about the mtt for you how do you feel about sngs 45 mans or such, you can use your mtt skills in them?
I do much better in 18 man than 9!
Debi
Forum Admin
Administrator
It is one of the options to consider and my coach used to play them primarily and still coaches them - so I am sure that will be part of the discussion.
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ph_il
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Silver Level
YES!!!!!!!
pokerstars Game #45875415395: Tournament #285372985, $1.50+$0.25 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2010/06/22 20:37:27 PT [2010/06/22 23:37:27 ET]
Table '285372985 2' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: parazit1011 (2660 in chips)
Seat 2: beauty83uk (2235 in chips)
Seat 4: ZorroZ01 (4305 in chips)
Seat 5: TRM_SHRiMP (5805 in chips)
Seat 6: ENZO_13_77 (2140 in chips)
Seat 7: ThoCi (3200 in chips)
Seat 8: Rust1nPeace (3375 in chips)
Seat 9: zemigu3l (3280 in chips)
TRM_SHRiMP: posts small blind 100
ENZO_13_77: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to TRM_SHRiMP [Jh Ac]
ThoCi: calls 200
Rust1nPeace: folds
zemigu3l: folds
parazit1011: folds
beauty83uk: folds
ZorroZ01: folds
TRM_SHRiMP: raises 4300 to 4500
...I typed in 450 on number pad, went to hit 'enter' and my finger hit the tip of the 0 before pressing enter.
ENZO_13_77: folds
ThoCi: calls 3000 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (1300) returned to TRM_SHRiMP
*** FLOP *** [9c 5c 7d]
*** TURN *** [9c 5c 7d] [3h]
*** RIVER *** [9c 5c 7d 3h] [2c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
TRM_SHRiMP: shows [Jh Ac] (high card Ace)
ThoCi: shows [Qs Ah] (high card Ace - Queen kicker)
TRM_SHRiMP said, "lolol"
ThoCi collected 6600 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 6600 | Rake 0
Board [9c 5c 7d 3h 2c]
Seat 1: parazit1011 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: beauty83uk folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: ZorroZ01 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: TRM_SHRiMP (small blind) showed [Jh Ac] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 6: ENZO_13_77 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: ThoCi showed [Qs Ah] and won (6600) with high card Ace
Seat 8: Rust1nPeace folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: zemigu3l folded before Flop (didn't bet)
pokerstars Game #45875415395: Tournament #285372985, $1.50+$0.25 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2010/06/22 20:37:27 PT [2010/06/22 23:37:27 ET]
Table '285372985 2' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: parazit1011 (2660 in chips)
Seat 2: beauty83uk (2235 in chips)
Seat 4: ZorroZ01 (4305 in chips)
Seat 5: TRM_SHRiMP (5805 in chips)
Seat 6: ENZO_13_77 (2140 in chips)
Seat 7: ThoCi (3200 in chips)
Seat 8: Rust1nPeace (3375 in chips)
Seat 9: zemigu3l (3280 in chips)
TRM_SHRiMP: posts small blind 100
ENZO_13_77: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to TRM_SHRiMP [Jh Ac]
ThoCi: calls 200
Rust1nPeace: folds
zemigu3l: folds
parazit1011: folds
beauty83uk: folds
ZorroZ01: folds
TRM_SHRiMP: raises 4300 to 4500
...I typed in 450 on number pad, went to hit 'enter' and my finger hit the tip of the 0 before pressing enter.
ENZO_13_77: folds
ThoCi: calls 3000 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (1300) returned to TRM_SHRiMP
*** FLOP *** [9c 5c 7d]
*** TURN *** [9c 5c 7d] [3h]
*** RIVER *** [9c 5c 7d 3h] [2c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
TRM_SHRiMP: shows [Jh Ac] (high card Ace)
ThoCi: shows [Qs Ah] (high card Ace - Queen kicker)
TRM_SHRiMP said, "lolol"
ThoCi collected 6600 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 6600 | Rake 0
Board [9c 5c 7d 3h 2c]
Seat 1: parazit1011 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: beauty83uk folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: ZorroZ01 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: TRM_SHRiMP (small blind) showed [Jh Ac] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 6: ENZO_13_77 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: ThoCi showed [Qs Ah] and won (6600) with high card Ace
Seat 8: Rust1nPeace folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: zemigu3l folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Debi
Forum Admin
Administrator
Check this out and ask questions please!
https://www.cardschat.com/f53/zerosum79-discusses-abcs-playing-sngs-178652/#post1507972
https://www.cardschat.com/f53/zerosum79-discusses-abcs-playing-sngs-178652/#post1507972
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coolnout
Legend
Silver Level
Whoo shipped another 90 man on FTP.
E Z MOAD FINAL HAND lulz
Full Tilt, $1 + $0.10 NL Hold'em Tournament, 1,200/2,400 Blinds, 300 Ante, 2 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter
Hero (BB): 163,554
BTN: 106,446
Pre-Flop: (4,200) 9♠ 9♦ dealt to Hero (BB)
BTN raises to 106,146 and is All-In, Hero calls 103,746
Flop: (212,892) T♠ 3♠ 8♠ (2 Players - 1 is All-In)
Turn: (212,892) K♦ (2 Players - 1 is All-In)
River: (212,892) 4♦ (2 Players - 1 is All-In)
Results: 212,892 Pot
Hero showed 9♠ 9♦ and WON 212,892 (+109,146 NET)
BTN showed 6♥ 6♣ and LOST (-104,946 NET)
E Z MOAD FINAL HAND lulz
Full Tilt, $1 + $0.10 NL Hold'em Tournament, 1,200/2,400 Blinds, 300 Ante, 2 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter
Hero (BB): 163,554
BTN: 106,446
Pre-Flop: (4,200) 9♠ 9♦ dealt to Hero (BB)
BTN raises to 106,146 and is All-In, Hero calls 103,746
Flop: (212,892) T♠ 3♠ 8♠ (2 Players - 1 is All-In)
Turn: (212,892) K♦ (2 Players - 1 is All-In)
River: (212,892) 4♦ (2 Players - 1 is All-In)
Results: 212,892 Pot
Hero showed 9♠ 9♦ and WON 212,892 (+109,146 NET)
BTN showed 6♥ 6♣ and LOST (-104,946 NET)
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jasdell
Rock Star
Silver Level
So guys I just hit Silver Star status for the 1st time ever!
I didn't really play that much after that one week where variance got me.
I needed like 30 VPPs to hit silverstar so I played some ring games
Ran cold and lost like 10 bucks and still needed 4 VPPs
Moved up to 100NL for just one rotation hoping to just eat the 1.50 and hit Silver so i could go to bed
hit pocket queens on the button, raised it up to 3.5, BB called
flop was QJ6
villain led out 5$ I popped to 20 hoping to end it he re popped, I insta shove he calls
Flips over pocket 66 and I win a 200$ pot and hit silver status in one very pretty hand
I didn't really play that much after that one week where variance got me.
I needed like 30 VPPs to hit silverstar so I played some ring games
Ran cold and lost like 10 bucks and still needed 4 VPPs
Moved up to 100NL for just one rotation hoping to just eat the 1.50 and hit Silver so i could go to bed
hit pocket queens on the button, raised it up to 3.5, BB called
flop was QJ6
villain led out 5$ I popped to 20 hoping to end it he re popped, I insta shove he calls
Flips over pocket 66 and I win a 200$ pot and hit silver status in one very pretty hand
dg1267
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
Well, not a bad month, but not what I was hoping. Between AB and FT I made $75.15 profit, ~$40 rakeback, and took 24th in the 15K RTR Freeroll for $90 for a grand total of +$205.50.
Most of it was just trying to adjust to the style my coach is trying to get me to play I think. Well, that and just some nasty beats in bad spots. But the first graph is my AB (maybe I should go back to playing there!) and the second is my FT graph.
AB- 76 games, $87.90 profit
FT- 244 games, $-12.75 profit
Most of it was just trying to adjust to the style my coach is trying to get me to play I think. Well, that and just some nasty beats in bad spots. But the first graph is my AB (maybe I should go back to playing there!) and the second is my FT graph.
AB- 76 games, $87.90 profit
FT- 244 games, $-12.75 profit
