Strange things on 888

[shebandowan]

Quite surprising at how many longshots appear on the river period on this site

 

[sunirico]

This happens in my favour as well as against me and I do not think this is some devious plot to get more money off players, I just think it is a glitch in their random dealing software?

Coming from a software developer stand point there can be no "glitch" that would produce the required cards by mistake. Either a random card is selected from the remaining cards in the deck or they are producing, read "devious plot", the required cards.

There might be valid reasons for doing this, i.e. to increase action on the tables but this cannot be some mistake in the software.

 

[ammje]

I've seen you play in a crazy way, stealing me small pots with very bad cards, I'm surprised that you also suspect a poker room is rigged, playing that way.

888 have a lot of mtt whom structure encourage "Bingo Play".
Would not be surprised if their card generator mirrors this.
I play there sparingly and I am agreement with your observation.
I don't have a big sample size so maybe someone who plays there a lot maybe better at proving theory right/wrong.

And on this subject, this is poker, the variance is very hard, we all have bad streaks, but to withstand bad streaks, you have to have a good bank management.

It is normal that when you lose, you think that the site is rigged, they are making me a plot, etc, but you must continue studying and if you play well, sooner or later you will win.

gl mate

 

[ammje]

You are very right friend, very good comment.

888 Poker is just like any other Poker Room. There is nothing "rigged", in Poker you need a huge Samplesize of Hands in Cash Games or Mtt's. By the look of Things, a lot of People in this Thread judge that the Site is rigged after they lost a few times in a Row with sick Runouts. But thats just Poker, i played on many Rooms and its everywhere the same. Sometimes Luck is with you and on some Days just run so bad that its Time to close the Software

 

[German629]

Hi Colbefc! If shortly and to the point, that about what You write I noticed long time ago...
Therefore I'm not play long time ago on 888.

 

[kimisiow83]

I think it's time for me to stay away from 888 after reading so many strange things on this thread. I actually don't like 888 so much, so I rarely play there. I usually only play MTTs. In recent KO Tourney, I decided to play some tournament there and I already feel a little bit strange last few day.. After reading all the post here and what has happen today, I don't think they can earn a penny from me anymore.

Villain act after me:

HERO CO A4o vs A5o Board = A 3 4 6 2

HERO MP AA vs 99 Board = K 3 J 4 9

HERO SB J4s vs J5o Board = J 4 5 2 A

HERO CO K7s vs K8s Board = K 8 7 3 4

HERO UTG AJs vs KQo Board = 4 8 9 J T


I am not sure what are the odds for all this kind of situation to come together and it just happen in 1 same tournament within 90 minutes, which means less than 100 hand. Furthermore, it is Hero vs one same villain. All are in Heads Up situation in a 8 max KO MTTs full ring. Believe it or not? I only loses 2 buy in on this tournament and it is mid-high MTTs and not micro. If I play like a maniac and aggressive, I couldn't imagine how many buy in you can lose. I play in a lot of live MTTs and online poker rooms including PS, PP, iPoker or GGPoker but I don't feel they have any problem. I know poker do consist of luck and variance. As most of the player here mentioned, 888 are just way more too often than others. In fact they have lesser field of players, means lesser hand compare to other rooms, right? It just make no sense to me when all this happen more often than others. I have deleted the whole software and no way I will be turning back.

 

[ldw22]

I'd suggest it to be 'Selective Memories' over anything to do with some sort of 'glitch' (I mean how could a 'gutshot gettin' there glitch' be possible?

Selective Memories in Poker:
We naturally remember events that support our beliefs and forget conflicting evidence.


We can see this in poker very often. Just have to listen to some players who perceive themselves to be better at the game than they really are (I'm not suggesting this is you at all).

ie. Because we think we are good, but unlucky, we remember and get angry about our bad beats, but forget the times we played stupidly and sucked out.

Definition & example quoted from Alan N. Schoonmaker in his book "Your Worst Poker Enemy: Master The Mental Game"

Another possibility is that the OP genuinely does experience a really high percentage of hands on 888 that end up with rivered gutshots, but that would not in any way be meaningful evidence that 888's random number generator is glitching. The hands played by the OP on 888 are only a percentage of the total hands he has played when you factor in all the hands he has played on other websites, so if you combined his hands played on all websites, the number of rivered gutshot hands could still fall within the normal range on a Bell Probability Distribution curve, even if the 888 results on their own would fall outside the typical range. And, of course, the OP's total hands played on 888 are only a tiny, tiny fraction of ALL hands played on 888, so for every player on there like the OP who sees loads of gutshots get there on the river, there's probably a roughly equal number of players who almost NEVER see a rivered gutshot straight. So, maybe the OP's variance hasn't evened out (yet), but the 888 website's variance WILL have done!

 

[puzzlefish]

Another possibility is that the OP genuinely does experience a really high percentage of hands on 888 that end up with rivered gutshots, but that would not in any way be meaningful evidence that 888's random number generator is glitching. The hands played by the OP on 888 are only a percentage of the total hands he has played when you factor in all the hands he has played on other websites, so if you combined his hands played on all websites, the number of rivered gutshot hands could still fall within the normal range on a Bell Probability Distribution curve, even if the 888 results on their own would fall outside the typical range. And, of course, the OP's total hands played on 888 are only a tiny, tiny fraction of ALL hands played on 888, so for every player on there like the OP who sees loads of gutshots get there on the river, there's probably a roughly equal number of players who almost NEVER see a rivered gutshot straight. So, maybe the OP's variance hasn't evened out (yet), but the 888 website's variance WILL have done!

So what you're saying is that as long as overall everyone gets the same, correct frequencies of bad beats and coolers in line with statistical expectations across all sites that they play on in the long run, the order in which the bad beats and coolers happen and the sites that they happen on is irrelevant. That's the equivalent of not investigating and not questioning your online poker experience.

 

[ldw22]

So what you're saying is that as long as overall everyone gets the same, correct frequencies of bad beats and coolers in line with statistical expectations across all sites that they play on in the long run, the order in which the bad beats and coolers happen and the sites that they happen on is irrelevant. That's the equivalent of not investigating and not questioning your online poker experience.

Nope, I wasn't saying that - certainly not meaning to say that, anyway. I was trying to say that it might not all just be in the OP's imagination, he might genuinely be experiencing a far higher than average percentage of rivered catches, but 888 could still be operating with completely fair, glitch-free software. I.E. those two possibilities aren't mutually exclusive!

 

[pac818man]

Please tell me a reason, why 888 should have programmed their software to increase the chance of Gutshots to be accomplished and how it's possible at all? Or you are just speaking about the great conspiracy without any proofs? Nothing personal, but please.. for the sake of sense. I mean it's a poker and you really should stop thinking that poker rooms are tricking you by manipulating false random generators in favor to somebody. I could ever imagine this at high roller stakes (which is really disgusting if it ever been), but at micro-low-middle.. Who ever will do that? And for what reasons?
As an example i had a funny session just yesterday at PS, where i've got dealt KK on two different tables, which both hit set on a flop. But it didn't stop amazing me, at one of those tables i kept getting AA, KK, QQ, JJ, AA again. It was like a birthday, but at the end i finished as a bubble to my lulz. It's a poker. Anything is possible. I don't believe someone tricking us. Not about this. They have enough money from high rake, that we pay to play.

Theres a cash incentive for the site to eliminate low stacks and force them to rebuy.

 

[pac818man]

If you play long enough you will notice the patterns. 3-4 people getting served with unfoldable hands. Set over set, over full house. Flush over nut flush, over straight flush. I play a lot of live poker and this is not real. Not with the frequency that happens here. It is obvious card manipulation which results in 888 being a scam.
Also there is long wait if you want to cash out anything. Even low amounts wait for a week to be processed, they want you to reverse it. I heard about high amounts that takes over 6 months which is ridiculous.
Also once you have any amount to cash out the number of suck outs increases dramatically. It is so obvious the hands are manipulated.
I am 100% sure 888 is a scam and its rigged.

How much money have you lost on the site?

 

[iuly1209]

How much money have you lost on the site?

i am on plus, not much but still plus, however i play a lot of poker live and i stand by what i am saying. Unreal hands. just saw 3 four of a kind in an hour only in tonight's session. When people are over 90% they lose to runner runner cards very often and so on.

 

[DTMath]

888 poker straights

I play at 888 Poker all the time and I have noticed in the last week there has been more than normal hands being won with straights. I know I missed a couple but the cards I was dealt were not ones you wanted to match all in calls.

 

[pac818man]

I have read lots of posts on here and other forums about so called random cards not being random, I have always laughed this type of thing off, until now, maybe ?
I play on 888 all the time now and I have noticed a lot of gutshot straights being made on the river, now I know of course that this is going to happen now and again, but time ofter time this happens on 888, it happens way more than has ever done on other sites I have played, over nearly 20 years.

This happens in my favour as well as against me and I do not think this is some devious plot to get more money off players, I just think it is a glitch in their random dealing software?
Anyone else noticed this, or maybe it is just randon but it happens so ofter I doubt it.

I was thinking along the same lines. Bigger stacks it seems have an better odds. But there are thousands of players, hundreds of thousands of hands. Unless we have the full stats, we can't be sure. What I do is just cross my fingers. As long as I make the right call, its all good.

Good Luck!

 

[Joe]

Thus far I only play on Stars and 888, for what it's worth, I find freaky suckouts seem to happen much less on 888 than at Stars.

I'll sometimes rant about broken/rigged/magic RNG'S but more in jest or frustration rather than any seriousness.

In my mind it's far more probable I'm experiencing an unusually-heavy pocket of negative variance (there is always a luck element in poker regardless of how skilled you might be) than the site is somehow tampering with the game engine.

That's my two cents.

 

[thetzarofpoker]

I have read lots of posts on here and other forums about so called random cards not being random, I have always laughed this type of thing off, until now, maybe ?
I play on 888 all the time now and I have noticed a lot of gutshot straights being made on the river, now I know of course that this is going to happen now and again, but time ofter time this happens on 888, it happens way more than has ever done on other sites I have played, over nearly 20 years.

This happens in my favour as well as against me and I do not think this is some devious plot to get more money off players, I just think it is a glitch in their random dealing software?
Anyone else noticed this, or maybe it is just randon but it happens so ofter I doubt it.

888 has the worse card system, i`ve had seem like 5 four of a kind in less than 10 minutes in one tournament.. and I hede been beaten having fullhouse ans the other guy make 4 of a kind at the end

 

[hotel64]

888 poker

Please tell me a reason, why 888 should have programmed their software to increase the chance of Gutshots to be accomplished and how it's possible at all? Or you are just speaking about the great conspiracy without any proofs? Nothing personal, but please.. for the sake of sense. I mean it's a poker and you really should stop thinking that poker rooms are tricking you by manipulating false random generators in favor to somebody. I could ever imagine this at high roller stakes (which is really disgusting if it ever been), but at micro-low-middle.. Who ever will do that? And for what reasons?
As an example i had a funny session just yesterday at PS, where i've got dealt KK on two different tables, which both hit set on a flop. But it didn't stop amazing me, at one of those tables i kept getting AA, KK, QQ, JJ, AA again. It was like a birthday, but at the end i finished as a bubble to my lulz. It's a poker. Anything is possible. I don't believe someone tricking us. Not about this. They have enough money from high rake, that we pay to play.

i think you should wake up if you think not the bad thing with 888 poker is the player profiling is rype and lots of bots their too

 

[antonis32123]

You say a pokerroom RNG is bad , cause they hit too often gutshots .
You say a pokeroom RNG is bad , because too many flushes can be observed on the long run .
You say the other big rooms also have their own weaknesses .
You say I will try one of the others , the smaller ones , maybe these new bitcoin sites why not , although they are tiny in comparison to the poker giants , you never know , they advertise they have a unique special really randomised , sophisticated NEW RNG . You go , you play , you raise K10s on the CO , get mini reraised x2 by the sb . sb bets pot on the AK7 rainbow flop , you call , turn 2 , sb raises all in x4 or more the pot , you call , sb has 102o , 2 on the river . You say wtf , unreal , 1000000000 times better play in 888poker , pokerstars , partypoker , ACR or other well known pokerroom . They might have some weaknesses , you might complain sometimes , you might complain many times , they might have their own crazy or very loose players , but they cannot compared to cr** sites and their ---'' fun/funny players''--- . .

As long as they pay their withdrawals requests and the gameplay is decent , as long as the VIP programm is the best or the promotions are great , as long as you are sth like capable or better and not complete loser player , keep on playing , try to learn more , try to copy paste techniques , if there are glitches or weaknesses try to get to know how to use them for your own shake and better results , find the games you are good/best and leave the ones that you face crazy players or bad beats or simply are unable to play due to lack of knowledge of the game , ..... and play the game you like most online , cause in random live casinos/pokerrooms you might not be able to do so (far more expensive buy ins , or maybe not close to your place , not big prizes for sure , etc )

 

[iuly1209]

Same old broken record of people defending the poker sites. Either they work for them to post in the site's favor on the forums or they like throwing money at these sites.
The picture is from an older post on another site.
888 could not explain how this could happened. Everyone else can: it's rigged. You don't even need these kind of facts all you need to to is to play on their site and observe the things happening there.


https://imgur.com/ouM5Yr4

 

[lablelarry]

I'll watch for it now that you've mentioned

 

[vic75]

I confirm that there are a lot of bad beats at 888 Poker its not a normal. They have a lineup of big fish tournaments too confirm this and if you have the best hand pre flop most of the time it will lose but its the same with the other big sites. I was playing the one million super storm main event the ticket won from placing top fifty in a freeroll. I decided too shove AJ with thirty big blinds and got a snap call with QJ and out against a straight on the river. I believe this situation correct me if i am wrong preflop i am 80% too win the pot. Today i was thirteen players away from winning another main event ticket pick up AK suited shove pre flop and out against 48 diamonds. It is what it is a big fishy site with 888 poker.

 

[gersom]

Strange things happen to me everywhere ... Always!

 

[dagniel]

I've registered with 888 a few weeks ago.


During this time I've lost all my 3 deposits, but have seen some of the most astonishing hands in my (very) amateurish "career"!

I am rather frustrated over the fact that I haven't done my "research" to discover threads like this before depositing. At least I could have been a bit more prepared.

I see a lot of invoking the "variance" or the number of plays one sees while playing online versus offline. There's no variance in the hands that I've seen or played this last few weeks there. And regarding the good vs bad hands I have my very limited hand history to prove that there's just an astounding number of "playable" hands that meet. And this happens far too often.

I've just finished a tournament in which I've seen or played a total of 83 hands. I can count at most 20 that haven't been played with big hands or played at all. And for the rest of them...oh boy...rarely there are not 4-5 or more high cards in play with multiple draws and the turn and river completely reversing the hand strength.

There's no variance and it's not that I'm just imagining things simply because I remember the bad beats rather than the garbage that I don't play.

Anyway I'll try to upload my history into a publicly available location for all that are interested to see.

But all in all my really strong impression is that an important amount of hands (at least at the tables/stakes that I've played) are generated for baiting players into "shoving" into the pot!

 

[magnetoak47]

Probability guys! Even if it's almost impossible to happen it can happen... Randomised or not if randomised the same things can happen, although can be almost impossible... You can play live and the same things happen cause it's the same game with the same cards

 

[German629]

Hello, the All CardsChat Community! If Poker compare with ordinary Life, that in Life often happens, on first look,
very many "strange" things, when we thought before, that they can't to be, but eventually these "strange" things get...
After this our conscious and subconscious adjust by new realities, and we continue to live further to next "strange" or
"more strange" things, and etc... Same going in Poker: therefore when you with time stop to wonder anything,
then coming positive results, because we concentrated only on Game, and nothing can prevent this...
But this is only my private opinion...