Strange things on 888

[puzzlefish]

I must say in their defence... I was one of the most angry on them, convinced that their software is not random.

Anyway, I made a statistic, for 888 and Pokestars. I wanted to see for myself the percent of winning for a type of allin preflop hands.

I decided to observe and count which players win most in a hand when 2 players goes allin preflop, one with Ax, the other ith Ay. (A means ace, x means bigger kicker, y lower kicker).

I counted just exactly that kind of hands, it must be allin preflop, it must be Ax vs Ay, and maximum 2 players involved. Of course, I counted just the hands I saw on tables while I played.

Well, the statistics started on 15 august 2018, and now looks like this:

Pokerstars:

Ax - 889 hands won
Ay - 422 hands won
Draw - 81 hands

(Total 1392 hands)

So, bigger kicker won 63.8%;
lower kicker won 30.3%
split pot : almost 6%

888:

Ax - 186 hands won
Ay - 104 hands won
Draw - 6 hands

(Total: 296 hands)

(on 888 I play much less than on pokerstars)

So, bigger kicker won 62.8%
lower kicker won 35.2%
Split pot: aprox. 2%

So, without any doubt, the best hand win more often.

Try counting this instead.

Look at all situations where a player is all-in pre-flop with the best hand. Count how many times somebody calls with a worse hand and even complete trash but hits their gutter draw.

 

[daniel411]

I just started a few weeks ago to play at 888 and i thought already that i usually dont see so much straights and although flushs in other rooms. Because i only play there only few weeks i thought ok it is only because of this short period and so random.

 

[pjokay]

I have not noticed a particular skew on cards. Have had some software crashes that are annoying. But it's not in their interest to not deal randomly as they would go bust pretty quick if proved and who would it advantage?

 

[StreetPhd]

I have read lots of posts on here and other forums about so called random cards not being random, I have always laughed this type of thing off, until now, maybe ?
I play on 888 all the time now and I have noticed a lot of gutshot straights being made on the river, now I know of course that this is going to happen now and again, but time ofter time this happens on 888, it happens way more than has ever done on other sites I have played, over nearly 20 years.

This happens in my favour as well as against me and I do not think this is some devious plot to get more money off players, I just think it is a glitch in their random dealing software?
Anyone else noticed this, or maybe it is just randon but it happens so ofter I doubt it.

I have also seen this.
The other thing that has happened to me at least 5 times in the last 6 months, my hole cards flash in front of me before the hand id dealt...then the deal happens and it's the same hole cards are dealt.
Have you seen this?

 

[Colbefc]

I have played at a lot of different sites over too many years to mention and for me to notice the strange things that happen there must be something too it.
Never noticed this anywhere else.

 

[Poker Orifice]

I must say in their defence... I was one of the most angry on them, convinced that their software is not random.

Anyway, I made a statistic, for 888 and Pokestars. I wanted to see for myself the percent of winning for a type of allin preflop hands.

I decided to observe and count which players win most in a hand when 2 players goes allin preflop, one with Ax, the other ith Ay. (A means ace, x means bigger kicker, y lower kicker).

I counted just exactly that kind of hands, it must be allin preflop, it must be Ax vs Ay, and maximum 2 players involved. Of course, I counted just the hands I saw on tables while I played.

Well, the statistics started on 15 august 2018, and now looks like this:

Pokerstars:

Ax - 889 hands won
Ay - 422 hands won
Draw - 81 hands

(Total 1392 hands)

So, bigger kicker won 63.8%;
lower kicker won 30.3%
split pot : almost 6%

888:

Ax - 186 hands won
Ay - 104 hands won
Draw - 6 hands

(Total: 296 hands)

(on 888 I play much less than on pokerstars)

So, bigger kicker won 62.8%
lower kicker won 35.2%
Split pot: aprox. 2%

So, without any doubt, the best hand win more often.

Just think if you'd spent that 'time' on something much more useful.... you know like something that would help to improve one's actual poker game (although I suppose this could help someone who was struggling with thinking the sites are rigged... & might have them stop wasting time with that thinking).

gl on the tables!

 

[funkymoney]

not available in my country but would like to know based on traffic and popularity where does 888 Poker stand

 

[Uranus]

I have also seen this.
The other thing that has happened to me at least 5 times in the last 6 months, my hole cards flash in front of me before the hand id dealt...then the deal happens and it's the same hole cards are dealt.
Have you seen this?

Yes, It happened to me many times, even in the times here they had the old good software.
Usually that happened when I was moved to a new table, just before first hand being dealt.

Just think if you'd spent that 'time' on something much more useful.... you know like something that would help to improve one's actual poker game (although I suppose this could help someone who was struggling with thinking the sites are rigged... & might have them stop wasting time with that thinking).

Well, I was the one who was struggling with the thinking the site is rigged and this statistic made me much more relaxed on playing. Anyway, It didnt took me much time do to it, I just noted in a label the hands I see while I was playing. Just Ax vs Ay and just those allin preflop with 2 players, its not so many hands.

 

[Uranus]

Another beauty. Looks identical. Same tournament.

 

[DomDoctor01]

Don't knoe about 888 poker exactly but this is the age old question guys...if the random card generator is really random....In my opinion is purely variance , and I mean yeah sometimes it's suspicious as hell thinking back to my AK being busted 6 times in the span of 2 days each and every time in a deep run by some A + garbage...but that's just how it is.

 

[edenman1]

Back in the day it was crazy the way the site played. I find it much more realistic now, for instance they rarely repeatedly place you in front of the big blind.. And I have had pretty good luck last year or two playing tight!

 

[RafaBrewer]

To many freerolls and oportunities to build a bankroll on 888. Thats is more important. I think.

 

[German629]

Hello, Everyone! I think, at 888 are not more and not less the strange things, than on the other poker sites...:deal:
It's about the same everywhere... But this is only my private opinion. And Good Luck Everybody! :angel:

 

[Uranus]

He raised preflop, I reraised with 10 10, and we go allin on flop.

 

[Uranus]

 

[bigthereal]

on every site can happen strange things
99% of win and you're gonna lose on the river

 

[Pokerpoet2]

Strange things happen in Poker all the time, on-line as well as in Casino's. I have made the nut-flush in some hands and been beaten by someone holding two pair, hitting one of their 4 outs on the river, it happens.
That is what makes Poker so much fun, you have to accept it or stop playing altogether.

When the fun Stops, STOP!

 

[puzzlefish]

But have you ever seen the same player hit several full houses and flushes in a row? [emoji3061]

 

[theANMATOR]

Funny Joke

There has always been rigging on every poker site. Watch the first couple of hours in rebuy tourneys if you're low stack your always losing. They create action in the early stages of tourney. So they can meet the guarentee mark. Then the programming changes for the rest of the tournament.

Bahaahaa Good one.

Oh wait - you seriously believe this?

 

[Robsant]

It all makes sense

 

[theANMATOR]

Theres a cash incentive for the site to eliminate low stacks and force them to rebuy.

For a site to eliminate a short stack - that short stack first has to choose to play a hand. Choose.

Rebuy is also a choice, it is not forced. LOL silly.

 

[puzzlefish]

For a site to eliminate a short stack - that short stack first has to choose to play a hand. Choose.

Rebuy is also a choice, it is not forced. LOL silly.

So, if you are dealt aces or kings as a short stack, you can "choose" not to play them and then "choose" to walk away from a dry board when a big stack hits their set or chases their draw that they jam on the flop? What's silly is trying to explain it all away using semantics.

 

[ritz_avalanche]

It's just pure play variance

 

[Blackchipp]

I HOPE THE 888 IS NOT A TRICKSTER SITE

i play only online poker, i dont like so much of the live poker, but i always will hope that my money is protect from this scammers, i hope in the future we gonna know if the sites are trust.

this work of probabilitys is very nice to analize the sites, we need to make some tests to stay confortable to play in all sites with our money. good luck to us in the hand of these sites...

 

[I Live Poker]

I have read lots of posts on here and other forums about so called random cards not being random, I have always laughed this type of thing off, until now, maybe ?
I play on 888 all the time now and I have noticed a lot of gutshot straights being made on the river, now I know of course that this is going to happen now and again, but time ofter time this happens on 888, it happens way more than has ever done on other sites I have played, over nearly 20 years.

This happens in my favour as well as against me and I do not think this is some devious plot to get more money off players, I just think it is a glitch in their random dealing software?
Anyone else noticed this, or maybe it is just randon but it happens so ofter I doubt it.

888 have a lot of mtt whom structure encourage "Bingo Play".

Would not be surprised if their card generator mirrors this.

I play there sparingly and I am agreement with your observation.

I don't have a big sample size so maybe someone who plays there a lot maybe better at proving theory right/wrong.

Hi, I don't play there very often but I also noticed a lot of difference in this regard.
I am doing some studies regarding equity that is not done and also when it is done in our favor, but I am still doing it at ACR.
It would be good if you had a hud and did this survey


Hi, I don't play there very often but I also noticed a lot of difference in this regard.
I am doing some studies regarding equity that is not done and also when it is done in our favor, but I am still doing it at ACR.
It would be good if you had a hud and did this survey on the 888 as it has a good sample.
At the ACR it initially seems very fair, I would say that it is well below the acceptable day margin.