Nikolay Nakhaev
Legend
Silver Level
you better get an answer from the support service of this room 888 or contact the consultant here on the forum[emoji6]
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steve_the_human
Rising Star
Bronze Level
This is so true. I've just played for 4 hours and seen a straight flush, quads twice, a set counterfeited by the board coming up trips so a higher pocket pair wins. These weren't all hands I was in so I have no attachment to the outcome. There are also just too many times when someone hits, every hand somebody hits something. That is rare in hold em, for the most part a pair will be good enough to take a pot when you've got two players in the pot. If there is an all in and someone pairs the flop their odds are usually somewhere around 2 to 1 to 3 to 1 but almost every time I see a hand like this the other player pairs the turn or the river. I've also seen 6 instances in the last two days of an inferior hand hitting the flop to take an unlikely lead and the superior hand hitting the turn to regain the lead and win. Not saying this doesn't happen but these things aren't following the statistical probability at all.
Peppinotom
Legend
Silver Level
You can do the research: take a deck of 52 cards, give it fair 7 times shuffle and deal 100 times a 9 hand table. How many times do you see 3 same suits on the flop, which will be completed to 4 samesuited cards on the turn or the river? Then go and play 100 hands on 888 and don't forget your pencil, your fingers will not be enough to count these funny, fantastic, but absolutely irreal boards. It just happened a few minutes ago AGAIN, 3 handed all-in, my Ace hits on the flop, my kicker hits on the turn and his J of club wins the hand (J9o) with a flush. And yes, besides that, I noticed the command window, I have these pop-ups that make no sense (since 3 months it is telling me on every log-in, that tournament 3245367 (or whatsoever) has finished while I was disconnected. Not very trustful for a company, that earns money with SOFTWARE programming :O :captain:
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tmsr
Rock Star
Silver Level
I've been playing poker online on and off for a long time (maybe 13 years?) and I've seen this over and over again for that long. You see weird things because of the sheer number of hands that are played online, I don't think I've ever seen a gutshot straight on the river playing at home or casino but that's because of the lack of volume. Take the good with the bad of online play.
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jonnybehindtheduece
Rising Star
Bronze Level
It passes the time
Hi. As a person who has been playing Texas Hold-em for more than 15 years and the more classic games such as draw and stud, for over forty years I have to say that 888poker is not a site for serious players. It is a chuck-a-luck site where most of the player play poker the same way as they play roulette, wheel of fortune or slots. Most only have two moves and that's over bet or go all in. Between the gamblers that get a rush out of risking it all over and over to the donkeys and fish, it's no place to for someone who likes to play poker for real and aren't "I got two cards so I'm going to go all in and if I lose I'll just rebuy" type of game. The style of play takes skill out of the equation and replaces it with the "I'm lucky so I'm going to bet that 2-7 off suit I was dealt" mentality. I deposited money two years ago, have been wiped out over a dozen times but have been able to continue to play because of free-rolls and the occasional cash winnings. For a few pennies I can play for an hour or two without risking much. When I really want a good game I go to the casinos in my area. There I usually can win enough to pay for my night out. I've played live tournaments and cash games for fifteen years. I am averaging coming out ahead a couple of thousand a year during this time. That's 1-2 NLHD cash games and $20 to $100 tournaments. As I follow the rule of Never play poker with rent money, Never pay rent with poker money. I am very able to keep track of my winnings and losings.
As for potential glitches in the software, considering that most players are playing very low stakes games, it attracts the chuck-a-lucks. They get excited by the risk and close hands so wether it is done on purpose or by accident, this type of play works for pacific poker in that they keep attracting this type of player. I use this site because after playing all-in luck games at 888poker I find playing real games at the casinos in and around town much easier. In real poker there isn't these constant miracle hands every five or six deals. They do happen but after 2 years playing on this site, I keep a close wacth on all-ins and have kept track of their frequency of high pocket pairs that hit trips only to be beaten on such regularity by runner-runner hands. I also keep track of those players who have constant lucky streaks. I'm not talking about the few skilled player, but thanks to being able to take notes about players I can single out the overly aggressive or lucky players so I can make better decisions. For every skilled player I've found on this site there are dozens of Let's make the game more exciting types of players. Gamblers like that sort of excitement, good poker players prefer a game of skill not chuck-a-luck games. It happens too often for me to risk 10 cents on the site when I can go to the local poker room and risk $100 in a similar situation. I know that my bad beats will be less frequent in a real game. If I wanted Chuck-a Luck style of excitement I'd be throwing my money away playing slots or video lottery machines. They're less risky.
That being said, it does pass the time playing on this site. I just don't take the site seriously.
Hi. As a person who has been playing Texas Hold-em for more than 15 years and the more classic games such as draw and stud, for over forty years I have to say that 888poker is not a site for serious players. It is a chuck-a-luck site where most of the player play poker the same way as they play roulette, wheel of fortune or slots. Most only have two moves and that's over bet or go all in. Between the gamblers that get a rush out of risking it all over and over to the donkeys and fish, it's no place to for someone who likes to play poker for real and aren't "I got two cards so I'm going to go all in and if I lose I'll just rebuy" type of game. The style of play takes skill out of the equation and replaces it with the "I'm lucky so I'm going to bet that 2-7 off suit I was dealt" mentality. I deposited money two years ago, have been wiped out over a dozen times but have been able to continue to play because of free-rolls and the occasional cash winnings. For a few pennies I can play for an hour or two without risking much. When I really want a good game I go to the casinos in my area. There I usually can win enough to pay for my night out. I've played live tournaments and cash games for fifteen years. I am averaging coming out ahead a couple of thousand a year during this time. That's 1-2 NLHD cash games and $20 to $100 tournaments. As I follow the rule of Never play poker with rent money, Never pay rent with poker money. I am very able to keep track of my winnings and losings.
As for potential glitches in the software, considering that most players are playing very low stakes games, it attracts the chuck-a-lucks. They get excited by the risk and close hands so wether it is done on purpose or by accident, this type of play works for pacific poker in that they keep attracting this type of player. I use this site because after playing all-in luck games at 888poker I find playing real games at the casinos in and around town much easier. In real poker there isn't these constant miracle hands every five or six deals. They do happen but after 2 years playing on this site, I keep a close wacth on all-ins and have kept track of their frequency of high pocket pairs that hit trips only to be beaten on such regularity by runner-runner hands. I also keep track of those players who have constant lucky streaks. I'm not talking about the few skilled player, but thanks to being able to take notes about players I can single out the overly aggressive or lucky players so I can make better decisions. For every skilled player I've found on this site there are dozens of Let's make the game more exciting types of players. Gamblers like that sort of excitement, good poker players prefer a game of skill not chuck-a-luck games. It happens too often for me to risk 10 cents on the site when I can go to the local poker room and risk $100 in a similar situation. I know that my bad beats will be less frequent in a real game. If I wanted Chuck-a Luck style of excitement I'd be throwing my money away playing slots or video lottery machines. They're less risky.
That being said, it does pass the time playing on this site. I just don't take the site seriously.
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DS3
Legend
Loyaler
Anyone who has spent just a few minutes (let alone years of poker play) researching will know the idea of a Random Number Generator is a contentious issue. A computer cannot make things up out of thin air, it needs input to produce a 'random' number. Therefore the argument is patterns will inevitably appear in the 'randomness'.
So under the least suspicious of circumstances any RNG is not a perfect system.
The issue for most is, is a particular system (i.e. poker site) 'egged' to produce specific types of results? I honestly waiver on this. Obviously patterns do emerge. The simple argument people just play so many hands on line and this affects their view does not suffice. There is little logic there because the opposite argument is the one to be made - the conclusion being they should pick up noticeable patterns.
There are some real oddities cited above that I agree with- one is a subtle shift from one phase of a tourney to another. The initial phase of a tourney appears to encourage wild play and will award particular players...then, post cash, the algorithm seems to settle down and the luck appears to be distributed better. I've sensed this for a long period. This is apart from the endless river card beats, the wet boards, the cards to a flush or a straight on the flop which happen over and over.
So my personal view is you have to be philosophical about RNG or you start to think you are being victimized. I opt to believe it is a somewhat flawed system but not malicious and you have no choice if you want to participate on line.
All that said, I pay constant attention to what I am investing, time or money, and remain aware every session, I am playing against the other players and the algorithm.
So under the least suspicious of circumstances any RNG is not a perfect system.
The issue for most is, is a particular system (i.e. poker site) 'egged' to produce specific types of results? I honestly waiver on this. Obviously patterns do emerge. The simple argument people just play so many hands on line and this affects their view does not suffice. There is little logic there because the opposite argument is the one to be made - the conclusion being they should pick up noticeable patterns.
There are some real oddities cited above that I agree with- one is a subtle shift from one phase of a tourney to another. The initial phase of a tourney appears to encourage wild play and will award particular players...then, post cash, the algorithm seems to settle down and the luck appears to be distributed better. I've sensed this for a long period. This is apart from the endless river card beats, the wet boards, the cards to a flush or a straight on the flop which happen over and over.
So my personal view is you have to be philosophical about RNG or you start to think you are being victimized. I opt to believe it is a somewhat flawed system but not malicious and you have no choice if you want to participate on line.
All that said, I pay constant attention to what I am investing, time or money, and remain aware every session, I am playing against the other players and the algorithm.
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dazzammm
Enthusiast
Silver Level
I've just signed up to 888 and its definatly one of the odd site.
Its seems the bigger the pot the more likely the suck-out. I've been knocked out of my last 3 sngs by 2 or 4 outers on the river (its never the turn). Every time I would have been chip leader if I won.
For example, I'm in the bb, no raise and I hit 2 pair on the flop. I bet, he calls. I bet the turn, he shoves. I call and he hits a 3 outer on the river.
Its seems the bigger the pot the more likely the suck-out. I've been knocked out of my last 3 sngs by 2 or 4 outers on the river (its never the turn). Every time I would have been chip leader if I won.
For example, I'm in the bb, no raise and I hit 2 pair on the flop. I bet, he calls. I bet the turn, he shoves. I call and he hits a 3 outer on the river.
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iuly1209
Enthusiast
Silver Level
get used to it
If you play long enough you will notice the patterns. 3-4 people getting served with unfoldable hands. Set over set, over full house. Flush over nut flush, over straight flush. I play a lot of live poker and this is not real. Not with the frequency that happens here. It is obvious card manipulation which results in 888 being a scam.
Also there is long wait if you want to cash out anything. Even low amounts wait for a week to be processed, they want you to reverse it. I heard about high amounts that takes over 6 months which is ridiculous.
Also once you have any amount to cash out the number of suck outs increases dramatically. It is so obvious the hands are manipulated.
I am 100% sure 888 is a scam and its rigged.
If you play long enough you will notice the patterns. 3-4 people getting served with unfoldable hands. Set over set, over full house. Flush over nut flush, over straight flush. I play a lot of live poker and this is not real. Not with the frequency that happens here. It is obvious card manipulation which results in 888 being a scam.
Also there is long wait if you want to cash out anything. Even low amounts wait for a week to be processed, they want you to reverse it. I heard about high amounts that takes over 6 months which is ridiculous.
Also once you have any amount to cash out the number of suck outs increases dramatically. It is so obvious the hands are manipulated.
I am 100% sure 888 is a scam and its rigged.
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dazzammm
Enthusiast
Silver Level
I agree strange things happen but not at this frequency. Seeing 6 runner runner hands in nearly every 60 hand sng is not right
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iuly1209
Enthusiast
Silver Level
They will say it's just variance. It's a lot of bull as what you will encounter on 888 has nothing to do with variance and with poker in general. I have video of bot playing at the table going all in with trash to make players rebuy. And 888 was 'giving' the bot the right cards, we are talking about 15-20 hands in all in situations with multiple players. I wrote in chat that as soon as the guaranteed is met the bot will drop the chips and exit the tournament. Guess what that is exactly what happened.
Who ever says this site is legit is payed by them or he has no poker knowledge. I have been playing live for 10+ years with decent results. You will never see in real life what is happening on 888.
I hope they will get shut down or players will simply leave.
As far as i am concerned they will never see a dime from me again.
P.S Remember the same bs was preached by Absolute poker until they got caught. Not to mention Fulltilt and pokerstars. they all say variance , more hands played than live ans so on. It's the same old broken record. Until they get caught.
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bigpappa325
Visionary
Silver Level
Or how often two outers hit but i cant hit an open ended straight,flush draw with top two cards. All those out i seldom hit but you flop a set on my over pair all the time.
I actually been complaining the last year about a site that plays so different from cash to tourney. I would even suggest two different rng. I'm told no I'm a rigtard. Then site has all kind of issues and explains why cash table don't get affected when tourneys go down. Separate servers they say. That means separate rngs. That obviously run different or i wouldn't of noticed. now whose not a rigtard is the question?:reddy:
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trance
Rising Star
Bronze Level
One reson to do that is to make win his own player . Like party poker
Only party poker was find out 888 not yet. I play there si ce 6 month and i record all my tournaments and i have so many video of player lousin with straight against better straight wich is very rare in real life .or to player having the same cards KK KK which also pritty rare but i have dozen of video . One time i recived J2 not 2 time in a row but 8 time in a row what are the chances of that .not only in poker but also blakjak is fuct up .i have been there 6 month and they never update the system .i am with pokerstar 2 month they update it 3 time . This tells a lot if you know how softwere works. 888.poker room is like a slot. Before the hand start the winner is already decided. Wich take away all the beawuty of playng poker
Peppinotom
Legend
Silver Level
Another reason is to make people play more hands or in other words risk their chips (money) on marginal or even crappy hands, as they see, that the better is beaten sooooo many times. And that-s exactly, what happens. You cannot loose AA to 62o, if nobody is playing 62o, but on 888 they just play EVERYTHING that is somehow connected (or even not, T2o gives you two straight chances, not only one)! But what scares me more are the starting hands, that I am dealt on a regular basis...5 times Ax in a row, every 1.5 hand suited cards. I recently researched my hands on 888, when I had suited connectors and got beaten by a flush (4 cards on the board most of the times) and it happens just too much. The only logic I can find in such a programming is, that they want to risk experienced players their good hands and let noobs win to keep them playing.
To finish> I totally agree, that THIS is not natural poker!
Oh, just one last thing... i just read on their German Twitter page:
WE PLAY ONLINE-POKER DIFFERENTLY!!!
How can you make it deifferent, if not more WOW!
Or how can you decide how to play POKER, if it is RANDOM poker???
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trance
Rising Star
Bronze Level
Another reason is to make people play more hands or in other words risk their chips (money) on marginal or even crappy hands, as they see, that the better is beaten sooooo many times. And that-s exactly, what happens. You cannot loose AA to 62o, if nobody is playing 62o, but on 888 they just play EVERYTHING that is somehow connected (or even not, T2o gives you two straight chances, not only one)! But what scares me more are the starting hands, that I am dealt on a regular basis...5 times Ax in a row, every 1.5 hand suited cards. I recently researched my hands on 888, when I had suited connectors and got beaten by a flush (4 cards on the board most of the times) and it happens just too much. The only logic I can find inp such a programming is, that they want to risk experienced players their good hands and let noobs win to keep them playing.
To finish> I totally agree, that THIS is not natural poker!
Oh, just one last thing... i just read on their German Twitter page:
WE PLAY ONLINE-POKER DIFFERENTLY!!!
How can you make it deifferent, if not more WOW!
Think about it they make every day tournament wich cost only 5 euro to partecipate and they pay 4000 euro divided by the first 30 player the most player a see there were 100 . 100 x 5 is 500 so 888 louse 3500 euro everyday
Only from that tournament... i do not know on any casino lousing money .. have you ever???
Chalada12
Visionary
Silver Level
I agree with you , it has been about 5/6 years since i started playing at 888 , it happens a loot , it s like playing bingo , and i think they’re doing it on purpose .
Weakleaks
Rising Star
Bronze Level
That's nice, positive thinking!! You deserve medal, you know and see yourself they are using AI more and more than ever before!!
Suns of Beaches
With a Balloon to the Moon
Bronze Level
888 Poker is just like any other Poker Room. There is nothing "rigged", in Poker you need a huge Samplesize of Hands in Cash Games or Mtt's. By the look of Things, a lot of People in this Thread judge that the Site is rigged after they lost a few times in a Row with sick Runouts. But thats just Poker, i played on many Rooms and its everywhere the same. Sometimes Luck is with you and on some Days just run so bad that its Time to close the Software