Strange things on 888

[theANMATOR]

So, if you are dealt aces or kings as a short stack, you can "choose" not to play them and then "choose" to walk away from a dry board when a big stack hits their set or chases their draw that they jam on the flop? What's silly is trying to explain it all away using semantics.

Short stack shove pre with AA or KK if a big stack calls with a smaller pocket pair and hits a set - thats just poker.
I busted a shorty earlier with 55s he jammed KKs I called - cause I had 100bb and I didn't hit a set - I made the wheel. It's juts damn poker.
I also min-raised KKs on the button as a shorty in another event - dude called me with 33s and binked his 3 on the flop when I shoved the rest of my stack on the Jack high flop.
I also tripled up with A/K vs to big stacks in another event when they called with QQ and 99. It's poker.

The more likely scenario though is a short stack shoves a wider range - in order to hopefully double up, to get back into contention, so they are jamming any suited Ace, and two broadway and ANY pockets. And another stack will call with a better hand and the shorty busts. THAT is what usually happens.
Sit around for KK or AA and see how often you get em with a short stack.

 

[GLAVI65]

It's poker ... Where everything is possible

Short stack shove pre with AA or KK if a big stack calls with a smaller pocket pair and hits a set - thats just poker.
I busted a shorty earlier with 55s he jammed KKs I called - cause I had 100bb and I didn't hit a set - I made the wheel. It's juts damn poker.
I also min-raised KKs on the button as a shorty in another event - dude called me with 33s and binked his 3 on the flop when I shoved the rest of my stack on the Jack high flop.
I also tripled up with A/K vs to big stacks in another event when they called with QQ and 99. It's poker.

The more likely scenario though is a short stack shoves a wider range - in order to hopefully double up, to get back into contention, so they are jamming any suited Ace, and two broadway and ANY pockets. And another stack will call with a better hand and the shorty busts. THAT is what usually happens.
Sit around for KK or AA and see how often you get em with a short stack.

Very interesting post !. As you say: It's poker ... Where everything is possible !. Greetings

 

[puzzlefish]

Short stack shove pre with AA or KK if a big stack calls with a smaller pocket pair and hits a set - thats just poker.
I busted a shorty earlier with 55s he jammed KKs I called - cause I had 100bb and I didn't hit a set - I made the wheel. It's juts damn poker.
I also min-raised KKs on the button as a shorty in another event - dude called me with 33s and binked his 3 on the flop when I shoved the rest of my stack on the Jack high flop.
I also tripled up with A/K vs to big stacks in another event when they called with QQ and 99. It's poker.

The more likely scenario though is a short stack shoves a wider range - in order to hopefully double up, to get back into contention, so they are jamming any suited Ace, and two broadway and ANY pockets. And another stack will call with a better hand and the shorty busts. THAT is what usually happens.
Sit around for KK or AA and see how often you get em with a short stack.

What does any of this have to do with a site needing the player to "choose" to play from a small stack in order for them to eliminate that player?

I get that you just don't want to believe that a site's dealing algorithms can be set up. I also get what poker is and what kind of hands can show up. None of this has any bearing on whether or not a site can engineer their hands.

The whole point of my post is that because of how poker plays, the players will often find themselves in situations where there isn't any choice but to make the correct play. Any poker player who has any experience knows this. However, when correct plays consistently lose in crucial situations, that is suspicious.

It's not about how often a correct play fails to produce the desired result. Over the long term, the statistics work out over a large sample of hands. However, who is filtering their hand histories to account for critical situations - i.e. large pots in cash games and elimination points in MTTs?

 

[theANMATOR]

The whole point of my post is that because of how poker plays, the players will often find themselves in situations where there isn't any choice but to make the correct play. Any poker player who has any experience knows this.

It's not about how often a correct play fails to produce the desired result. Over the long term, the statistics work out over a large sample of hands. However, who is filtering their hand histories to account for critical situations - i.e. large pots in cash games and elimination points in MTTs?

Solid post. We are in agreement with the above quoted post.
Any suspicion regarding manipulated hands by any poker network provider is only hindering a players ability to become a better player by accepting that suckouts happen, to short stacks, to large stacks, at critical times, and at times of minimal consequence.

 

[Jumpen Jack]

Your minds are likely playing tricks on you.

 

[puzzlefish]

Solid post. We are in agreement with the above quoted post.
Any suspicion regarding manipulated hands by any poker network provider is only hindering a players ability to become a better player by accepting that suckouts happen, to short stacks, to large stacks, at critical times, and at times of minimal consequence.

On the contrary, being suspicious doesn't necessarily mean a hindrance to a player's development. Being blindly trusting, however, may lead to being fleeced. Likewise, promoting blind trust on a site that you don't even play may lead real people to lose a lot of money, so what's the deal?

 

[inox73]

mayby today they entered a new securitysoftware cause it says it has to be downloaded a new version cause of update

 

[puzzlefish]

mayby today they entered a new securitysoftware cause it says it has to be downloaded a new version cause of update

I think it is an update for their new banners for new upcoming events. Nothing else seems different game-wise. Same old.

 

[det0nate]

I <3 888 POKER !!!
lets gooooooooooooooo

 

[recerveau]

I have read lots of posts on here and other forums about so called random cards not being random, I have always laughed this type of thing off, until now, maybe ?
I play on 888 all the time now and I have noticed a lot of gutshot straights being made on the river, now I know of course that this is going to happen now and again, but time ofter time this happens on 888, it happens way more than has ever done on other sites I have played, over nearly 20 years.

This happens in my favour as well as against me and I do not think this is some devious plot to get more money off players, I just think it is a glitch in their random dealing software?
Anyone else noticed this, or maybe it is just randon but it happens so ofter I doubt it.

At 888poker strange things happen 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

 

[valanddon]

I have noticed this lately but this happens more often at pokerstars.

 

[Suns of Beaches]

Your minds are likely playing tricks on you.

very much this.

 

[theANMATOR]

On the contrary, being suspicious doesn't necessarily mean a hindrance to a player's development. Being blindly trusting, however, may lead to being fleeced. Likewise, promoting blind trust on a site that you don't even play may lead real people to lose a lot of money, so what's the deal?

You are right - I don't play on 888. And the deal is I 100% doubt any poker network is manipulating individual hands - to bust out players.
That is SOOO DUMB to think that.
I'm not calling you dumb puzzlefish. I happen to think you are a strong minded - forthright dude, strictly from reading your posts, and knowing you have a solid poker mind.


I will admit - sometimes things are baffling - like me getting jammed on when I'm holding 55s and the board is K85 rainbow, and the board runs out K8 to give my opponent a better boat - him holding K/5. Yeah that is baffling. But it isn't the software company messing with the hand. It is the randomness of poker. And I will never promote this "rigged" nonsense, unless there is irrefutable evidence, rather than anecdotal evidence that everyone can produce. My AA got beat - runner runner - rigged boo hoo. L O Fin L

 

[samuri]

suck outs

I notice 34 off suit wins a lot all in or K9 works a lot 87 is 46 percent against ak but hey a lot of underdogs win with me holding strong hands Ak suited AA or KK. I lose a lot that way. Also a lot of donks going all in with 74 ,85, 24 off suit when I wait for a strong hand to take the weak players out and lose anyway. I also find myself resorting to the donk play and succeed in winning especially with suited crap.

 

[elchonga]

The same things happen as in all platforms
And playing live is the same
I do not believe in the manipulation of the software because it happens to me exactly the same in live tables

 

[Claudiunm]

I have read lots of posts on here and other forums about so called random cards not being random, I have always laughed this type of thing off, until now, maybe ?
I play on 888 all the time now and I have noticed a lot of gutshot straights being made on the river, now I know of course that this is going to happen now and again, but time ofter time this happens on 888, it happens way more than has ever done on other sites I have played, over nearly 20 years.

This happens in my favour as well as against me and I do not think this is some devious plot to get more money off players, I just think it is a glitch in their random dealing software?
Anyone else noticed this, or maybe it is just randon but it happens so ofter I doubt it.

The distribution of cards will always be random if player x or y is not favored. What I think happens is that the rooms try to somehow reduce the victories of the premium hands by increasing the variance. For what? To make the game more balanced. After all, if only the good guys won soon, online poker would lose that huge amount of players and stop being profitable.

 

[puzzlefish]

I think it's great that CardsChat allows for discussions like this to take place. In this one there is a lot of back and forth about randomness and variance being the same between live and online. I guess on a parting note I will say that while the mechanics for poker is defined clearly in terms of cards and the possible draws, the concept of variance and randomness is not. Just because a particular showdown between two players can happen live just as it does online, that has no bearing on whether or not such a showdown appeared randomly or not. Everybody is tracking the "what" in online poker, which is the statistics of the cards over a quantity of hands (the more hands, the more accurate the statistics). Nobody (that I know) is tracking the "when", which is the timing of individual showdowns in any MTT or cash game. There is not enough data to show what is normal and what is not.

 

[ghitocarcia]

no strange things. What happens is that the variance is not always going to be won with AA, I'm used to it. I thought they cheated me in 888 but no .. it's the variance, and also 888 is my first room and I like that there are many freerolls and not like pokerstars that hardly give away freerolls

 

[theANMATOR]

I think it's great that CardsChat allows for discussions like this to take place. In this one there is a lot of back and forth about randomness and variance being the same between live and online. I guess on a parting note I will say that while the mechanics for poker is defined clearly in terms of cards and the possible draws, the concept of variance and randomness is not. Just because a particular showdown between two players can happen live just as it does online, that has no bearing on whether or not such a showdown appeared randomly or not. Everybody is tracking the "what" in online poker, which is the statistics of the cards over a quantity of hands (the more hands, the more accurate the statistics). Nobody (that I know) is tracking the "when", which is the timing of individual showdowns in any MTT or cash game. There is not enough data to show what is normal and what is not.

Great point. Anyone of us could be 4 of 4 with our Aces or any superior hand, and then nearing the money bubble, late reg bubble, or final table bubble, get beat at the most critical time holding the best hand.

Last night final 3 in 600gtd I was 3rd in chips, Chip leader folds 2nd chip stack jams on me and I call with A/J suited. 2nd place guy turns over Ace duce off suit?? OK great except I whiff and he binks the duce on the river. Welp - ok.
Earlier before that final table in a 300 turbo, I'm 4th out of 6 in chips, final 6 I open QQ in CO folds to bb who has me covered by 2 bigs. He jams - I make the crying call - cause I just know he has a sooted Ace and is going to bink the Ace. To my surprise he turns over 88. And turns a set - I do not improve. Just seems wrong - right? But - never folding QQs on FT to one aggro donk in the bb.
I made all the correct decisions and that is the most important part of playing poker.

Will definitely look for some of the statistics like puzzle fish is mentioning. I can honestly say - 90% of the bust out hands I experience after making the money are suckouts. I'm not talking about getting 55s in and getting beat by a big Ace. I'm talking about getting it in with the superior hand A/J and getting beat by the inferior hand A/2 off suit, QQs vs 88s. Sucks~

 

[Yacoco]

Just look at this picture that I attached to this post, what happened here is this: that guy who called all in with A after 3 quads flop was losing all game long and if that happens for too long then this so called "random" hand generator is dealing cards either in his favor or for him to not lose money.

Because if this "RANDOM" straight flush was just a normal flush that guy would've still lost so ofc by random chances a straight flush is dealed in favor of the fish

Also do you not realise how often you hit 2 pairs on the flop and then the last 2 cards are making a straight for somebody, when I get AA or KK I just know I will get ****ed anyways.

How often do you hit 2 pairs or triplets just to get ****ed by last card flush draw.

Also just look the next time when somebody gets a pair 90% of the time 1-2 other players got a pair aswell, that is not random at all, it's made for bigger potsizes, more tournament rebuys, and to babysit losing players.

 

[puzzlefish]

Just look at this picture that I attached to this post, what happened here is this: that guy who called all in with A after 3 quads flop was losing all game long and if that happens for too long then this so called "random" hand generator is dealing cards either in his favor or for him to not lose money.

Because if this "RANDOM" straight flush was just a normal flush that guy would've still lost so ofc by random chances a straight flush is dealed in favor of the fish

Also do you not realise how often you hit 2 pairs on the flop and then the last 2 cards are making a straight for somebody, when I get AA or KK I just know I will get ****ed anyways.

How often do you hit 2 pairs or triplets just to get ****ed by last card flush draw.

Also just look the next time when somebody gets a pair 90% of the time 1-2 other players got a pair aswell, that is not random at all, it's made for bigger potsizes, more tournament rebuys, and to babysit losing players.

You can bet that someone was holding the 6 of clubs at that table but folded it.