micromachine
Legend
Silver Level
Some people at 2NL are reading hands and playing not to badly, lots of total fish yes but some are thinking more than you are giving them credit for.
Some people at 2NL are reading hands and playing not to badly, lots of total fish yes but some are thinking more than you are giving them credit for.
micromachine
Legend
Silver Level
I was repping good hands BUT also repping a possible bluff. In this hand, my check/min raise can look like a bluff too (at least thats what I was hoping it would look like). But I see your point...maybe check/call then shove the river (to look like a bluff) is better than check-rasie.
KerouacsDog
Legend
Silver Level
maybe Im wrong then, but from my experience, which compared to many isnt much volume, i dont believe many do. Id say theres more stupid fish than good regs at 2nl/5nl and to an extent 10nl. In a roundabout way, what Im saying is dont overthink your hand, you're thinking like a 25nl player, when you're playing against 5nl/10nl fishes and a few regs.
WVHillbilly
Legend
Silver Level
3bet pre here with better and WORSE starting hands. So maybe A2-A5s or KTs type hands (don't overdo the junky hands!) and QQ+/AK. Basically you want hands you're either willing to get AI with or hands you're going to gladly fold to a 4bet (most overused term ever, polarized range). AQ is the one hand (imo) that it sucks both when you get AI and when you have to fold to a 4bet.
Great. Why not just keep betting then? Why count on our opponent to ever bet for us. We flopped the world in a 3bet pot, not doing everything we can to get AI is a sin. So without some great read that our opponent floats a ton of cbets in 3bet pots or that he always fires the turn if checked to we're much better off just betting ourselves.
TylerN
Kool-Aid & Frozen Pizza
Silver Level
pp's will also call a turn bet on that board and sometimes if we check turn they will check given they have SD value and not a lot calls there turn bet so they are using pot control
MM dont post the results
MM dont post the results
WVHillbilly
Legend
Silver Level
Yeah, I think you're letting result get in the way of your thinking. It's easy to do, hence the reason why we shouldn't post results when we're asking about particular lines/spots.
KerouacsDog
Legend
Silver Level
yeah I guess there's a possibility of a check behind. but surely betting flop and betting turn looks strong to a pocket pair, lower than queens right?
yeah I am. I blame MM
micromachine
Legend
Silver Level
Yes, I thought you might say that. It's a good point, thanks for reminding me of it.
I totally see what you and Tyler are saying about betting the turn as well, I guess the point is that what I did worked this time, but what would have happened if he had checked the turn behind? It might have made it hard to get the stacks in by the river. Right?
Still, i can't see that it is terrible play because he could easily have folded to a large turn bet, and my turn check probably threw him off the scent.
OK, no results posted next time
bgomez89
Resident Thugmaster
Silver Level
Any reads or stats on villain or did you just 3bet for funsies?Nice use of the bet-check-bet routine?
When he called the flop bet I put him on a high pair or AK. When the turn was blank I thought I was safe to check and make it look like I had just made a c-bet and was now giving up. It worked very well but would you have played it differently?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (5 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (SB) ($3)
BB ($1.20)
UTG ($2.03)
MP ($3)
Button ($5.58)
Preflop: Hero is SB with A, Q
UTG bets $0.08, MP calls $0.08, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.22, 2 folds, MP calls $0.14
Flop: ($0.54) Q, Q
, 8
(2 players)
Hero bets $0.39, MP calls $0.39
Turn: ($1.32) 2(2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $0.66, Hero raises to $1.32, MP calls $0.66
River: ($3.96) 4(2 players)
Hero bets $1.07 (All-In), MP calls $1.07 (All-In)
Total pot: $6.10 | Rake: $0.29
Results:
Hero had A, Q(three of a kind, Queens).
MP had 9, 9(two pair, Queens and nines).
Outcome: Hero won $5.81
As played bet/bet/bet IMO. The turn card does nothing and he should be calling with almost everything he called the flop bet with
bgomez89
Resident Thugmaster
Silver Level
Flop: ($0.54) Q, Q, 8(2 players)
Person 1 bets $0.39, Person 2 calls $0.39
Turn: ($1.32) 2(2 players)
Person 1 bets $0.80, Person 2 thinks...
Ok so
Person 2 is calling with 77/99/TT/JJ. According to you, he should probably fold because a turn bet on this board usually always means Person 1 has trup QQ right?
Well, lets say Person 1 has air. If he puts Person 2 on 77/99/TT/JJ, and that range always folds to a turn bet because a turn bet here means trup QQ, why wouldn't Person 1, who has air like I said, not bet?
In all, what I'm trying to say is that a turn bet here doesn't always mean he has a queen
KerouacsDog
Legend
Silver Level
I understand now. thanks. at this level though, when people bet like they have it, on flop and turn, then they usually have it(someone told me that about super-micro stakes once when I was just starting ring).
double-barrelling at this level is common, but not as common as made hands betting both streets here.
KerouacsDog
Legend
Silver Level
here's a hand a few minutes ago. villain was 36/23 over 13 hands, as thats all we had played. I was playing tight, but flatted this to flush-mine, fit or fold on flop. Our next move?
Poker Stars - $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em (6 players)
Poker Stars Hand Converter Tool from CardsChat.com
SB Hero: $2
BB: $2
UTG: $4.24
MP: $0.82
CO: $3.08
BTN: $2.06
Pre-flop: ($0.03) Hero is SB and dealt
2 folds, CO raises to $0.08, BTN folds, Hero calls $0.07, BB folds
Flop: ($0.18) (2 players)
Hero ?
Poker Stars - $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em (6 players)
Poker Stars Hand Converter Tool from CardsChat.com
SB Hero: $2
BB: $2
UTG: $4.24
MP: $0.82
CO: $3.08
BTN: $2.06
Pre-flop: ($0.03) Hero is SB and dealt
2 folds, CO raises to $0.08, BTN folds, Hero calls $0.07, BB folds
Flop: ($0.18)
(2 players)Hero ?
KerouacsDog
Legend
Silver Level
i like your style. will await a few more replies and post next action that happened.
micromachine
Legend
Silver Level
+1 c/r flop is probably best here. I might go for a min reraise to make it seem like a bluff (but then again, maybe I'm overthinking it again
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acky100
Legend
Silver Level
Dont go for a min reraise because that is the most most fish move in the book Seriously stop over thinking anything, you min reraise = you lose value. Villain wont see this as a bluff and shove it in anymore than he would if you raised bigger for value. Villain will probably suck anyways and call our ch/r and then we can just bet turn a nice amount to set up all in on river and he calls with Ax and we fist pump.
Seriously stop over thinking anything, you min reraise = you lose value. Villain wont see this as a bluff and shove it in anymore than he would if you raised bigger for value. Villain will probably suck anyways and call our ch/r and then we can just bet turn a nice amount to set up all in on river and he calls with Ax and we fist pump.