***2012 PLO Thread***

[vanquish]

posting in 2012 is guaranteed rungood for PLO thread. fact?

 

[jbbb]

Things I can remember from Episode 1 and 2 of "2x6"

• Position is the most important factor in Omaha (ldo). Play super tight in SB when calling a raise.
• Danglers decrease the value of your hand exponentially and severly reduces your hand strength. Hands like 5678 are near AIPF hands whereas hands like 2578 are near trash.
• In a rundown with a gap, it's MUCH better to have the gap lower than higher. 5789 is a lot better than 5679 due to flopping nut out wraps.
• PLO is about flopping massive (hopefully nut) draws. It's not about flopping sets or two pair hands that are hard to play and potentially costly.
• Overlimp shitty big pairs to overset people. Massive IO especially at micros where people just get AIOTF w/ sets.
  

Thats all I can remember Not great from about two pages of notes I have on these episodes.

 

[baudib1]

Study pivot cards, people. Discuss.

 

[Makwa]

Study pivot cards, people. Discuss.

Did some studying:

"One of the unique features of Omaha that hasn’t been discussed much in poker literature thus far is the pivot card. The pivot card is the boardcard that fills a gap in your hand to give you multiple backdoor-wrap possibilities. For example, if you hold Q-J-9-8 and the flop comes 10-3-2, you hit the pivot card, which in this case is the 10. Now, a 7, 8, 9, jack, queen, or king can come on the turn to give you either a 13-card or 17-card wrap.

While the pivot card hasn’t been discussed much (probably due in part to the stigma associated with backdoor draws), it actually has a fairly material impact on post-flop hand valuations at times.

One thing to be noted is that you have to have a hand with a 13-card wrap possibility in it, with or without a gap. This includes hands such as J-10-9-X, J-10-8-X, or J-9-8-X, or a four-card rundown with or without a single gap."

Hwang at: http://www.internettexasholdem.com/blog/jeff-hwang/Page-1

 

[Makwa]

Things I can remember from Episode 1 and 2 of "2x6"

• Position is the most important factor in Omaha (ldo). Play super tight in SB when calling a raise.
• Danglers decrease the value of your hand exponentially and severly reduces your hand strength. Hands like 5678 are near AIPF hands whereas hands like 2578 are near trash.
• In a rundown with a gap, it's MUCH better to have the gap lower than higher. 5789 is a lot better than 5679 due to flopping nut out wraps.
• PLO is about flopping massive (hopefully nut) draws. It's not about flopping sets or two pair hands that are hard to play and potentially costly.
• Overlimp shitty big pairs to overset people. Massive IO especially at micros where people just get AIOTF w/ sets.
  

Thats all I can remember Not great from about two pages of notes I have on these episodes.

Good basic stuffs...

 

[baudib1]

Flopping pivot with no backdoor flush draws: around 21% equity vs. top set (no redraw)
Flopping pivot with 1 BD flush draw: 24% vs. top set
Flopping pivot with 2 backdoor flush draws: 27%

http://www.propokertools.com/simulations/show?b=Ts6c3h&g=oh&h1=QsJs9h8h&h2=AcKdTdTc&s=generic

If you hit a card that gives you a flush draw and wrap you're at 50% vs. top set on the turn.

http://www.propokertools.com/simulations/show?b=Ts6c3h9s&g=oh&h1=QsJs9h8h&h2=AcKdTdTc&s=generic

 

[MaxiRodriguez]

http://www.mediafire.com/?rfm9u0r1mn5xi63

Here's a link to a pdf from "kasino_krime" of dc fame. It's full of notes etc he made on videos, good for a browse and whatnot imo.

 

[Makwa]

Flopping pivot with no backdoor flush draws: around 21% equity vs. top set (no redraw)
Flopping pivot with 1 BD flush draw: 24% vs. top set
Flopping pivot with 2 backdoor flush draws: 27%

http://www.propokertools.com/simulations/show?b=Ts6c3h&g=oh&h1=QsJs9h8h&h2=AcKdTdTc&s=generic

If you hit a card that gives you a flush draw and wrap you're at 50% vs. top set on the turn.

http://www.propokertools.com/simulations/show?b=Ts6c3h9s&g=oh&h1=QsJs9h8h&h2=AcKdTdTc&s=generic

Txs. :ridinghor

 

[jbbb]

http://www.mediafire.com/?rfm9u0r1mn5xi63

Here's a link to a pdf from "kasino_krime" of dc fame. It's full of notes etc he made on videos, good for a browse and whatnot imo.

Already got this one. It's good but making notes is 10x more useful imo. I'm working on a document like this of my own :ridinghor

 

[jbbb]

Thoughts on both hands? Is the fold in the first hand a bit nitty? Assuming standard $3 tourny players.


poker stars $3.00+$0.30 Pot Limit Omaha Hi Tournament - t300/t600 Blinds - 9 players - View hand 1575368
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

MP1: t20571 34.28 BBs
Hero (MP2): t38646 64.41 BBs
CO: t32315 53.86 BBs
BTN: t8048 13.41 BBs
SB: t10698 17.83 BBs
BB: t12160 20.27 BBs
UTG: t14153 23.59 BBs
UTG+1: t14078 23.46 BBs
UTG+2: t3680 6.13 BBs

Pre Flop: (t900) Hero is MP2 with J

7

K

K

4 folds, Hero raises to t1500, 3 folds, BB calls t900

Flop: (t3300) 8

T

2

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t1890, BB calls t1890

Turn: (t7080) A

(2 players)
BB bets t7080, Hero folds



Poker Stars $3.00+$0.30 Pot Limit Omaha Hi Tournament - t300/t600 Blinds - 8 players - View hand 1575369
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

CO: t37794 62.99 BBs
Hero (BTN): t17223 28.70 BBs
SB: t34115 56.86 BBs
BB: t9848 16.41 BBs
UTG: t11298 18.83 BBs
UTG+1: t12160 20.27 BBs
MP1: t14153 23.59 BBs
MP2: t14078 23.46 BBs

Pre Flop: (t900) Hero is BTN with 9

J

9

8

4 folds, CO raises to t1500, Hero calls t1500, 1 fold, BB calls t900

Flop: (t4800) 7

Q

9

(3 players)
BB checks, CO bets t3168, Hero calls t3168, BB folds

Turn: (t11136) T

(2 players)
CO bets t8352, Hero raises to t12555 all in, CO calls t4203

River: (t36246) 7

(2 players - 1 is all in)

 

[baudib1]

I like the fold in hand one though I'm not sure I do it in game, he will show up with a lot of hands you don't want to see like AdTxxd. $3 PLO MTt donks are never bluffing there.

Hand 2 looks standard.

 

[MaxiRodriguez]

JBBB why didn't you want to raise flop in 2nd hand?

iPoker - £0.20 PL Hi - Omaha - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: £66.51
MP: £22.91
CO: £37.64
BTN: £50.65
SB: £21.35
Hero (BB): £38.18

SB posts SB £0.10, Hero posts BB £0.20

Pre Flop: (£0.30) Hero has A:spade: A:heart: 7:spade: 8:club:

fold, fold, CO raises to £0.70, BTN raises to £2.00, fold, Hero calls £1.80, CO calls £1.30

Flop: (£6.10, 3 players) Q:club: 3:spade: 6:spade:
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN checks

Turn: (£6.10, 3 players) J:diamond:
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN checks

River: (£6.10, 3 players) 5:heart:
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN bets £5.00, Hero

BTN 34/18/44, CO 33/16/41

This was a wierd one, I flat pre due to only being able to get 7 in, us all being deep, im thinking mb now if they both call that could be a good situation SPR wise. I'm honestly not sure just wanted to avoid the variance. Obviously looking to check raise here, was shocked when neither cbet esp btn, turn thought that QJ was strong part of range. River could be a bluff? given the passivety shown by everyone? bar the 47 cannot really seem to put him on a hand that would play it this way tbh.

 

[jbbb]

JBBB why didn't you want to raise flop in 2nd hand?

I thought it would be too obvious I had a nutty hand. Pretty easy to put me on a set there. I thought if I took my chances flatting i'd get the rest of his stack when he pot committed himself on the turn. Thats what happened, turned up with air (56xx IIRC). Finished 8th / ~750 runners

 

[Marginal]

JBBB why didn't you want to raise flop in 2nd hand?

iPoker - £0.20 PL Hi - Omaha - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: £66.51
MP: £22.91
CO: £37.64
BTN: £50.65
SB: £21.35
Hero (BB): £38.18

SB posts SB £0.10, Hero posts BB £0.20

Pre Flop: (£0.30) Hero has A<font color='black'>♠</font> A<font color='red'>♥</font> 7<font color='black'>♠</font> 8<font color='black'>♣</font>

fold, fold, CO raises to £0.70, BTN raises to £2.00, fold, Hero calls £1.80, CO calls £1.30

Flop: (£6.10, 3 players) Q<font color='black'>♣</font> 3<font color='black'>♠</font> 6<font color='black'>♠</font>
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN checks

Turn: (£6.10, 3 players) J<font color='red'>♦</font>
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN checks

River: (£6.10, 3 players) 5<font color='red'>♥</font>
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN bets £5.00, Hero

BTN 34/18/44, CO 33/16/41

This was a wierd one, I flat pre due to only being able to get 7 in, us all being deep, im thinking mb now if they both call that could be a good situation SPR wise. I'm honestly not sure just wanted to avoid the variance. Obviously looking to check raise here, was shocked when neither cbet esp btn, turn thought that QJ was strong part of range. River could be a bluff? given the passivety shown by everyone? bar the 47 cannot really seem to put him on a hand that would play it this way tbh.

Like there is nothing we beat obv. and if you want to avoid variance im not sure we are straight up c/r river as bluff.

 

[Marginal]

OH, I was 9 tabling today and the session went really well and relaxed. Tomorrow I am going to 24 table for the lols. Going to SS 10PLO and try it. See if I could get a good 5k hand session or something.

 

[baudib1]

Marg, did you ever play O8? I started out playing O8 before PLO and I loved it but I think I got progressively worse at the game ...

 

[vanquish]

When I first played on FTP I played like 2 orbits of $8/$16 O8 and got quartered by Toto leonidas and some other guy worst experience ever

 

[LuckyChippy]

vanq has the best stories.

 

[vanquish]

Bitches love my stories

 

[baudib1]

csb!

 

[Marginal]

Marg, did you ever play O8? I started out playing O8 before PLO and I loved it but I think I got progressively worse at the game ...

I think im down like 1 or 2k at the game. So no, I do not play it anymore

 

[jbbb]

Like there is nothing we beat obv. and if you want to avoid variance im not sure we are straight up c/r river as bluff.

What about leading the turn as a semi-bluff for about $4.50ish

 

[Marginal]

Tbh, I much prefer leading the flop. Yea its donk betting but it works in this situation, there are a lot of bad turn cards to see and we have good equity against ranges. Plus betting allows us to win the pot effortlessly in most cases. thing about leading here, is that we probably only get raised by 1 or 2 hands (qqxx or 66xx) so its a safe play.

 

[jbbb]

I'm not sure about odds when calling 3bets when you're sure they have aces. Here I can 100% put villian on AAxx due to him playing sooo weak tight. Can I just call here then stack off when I hit my pair? What kind of odds do I need pre and post flop etc. Thanks.


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pokerstars Game 73025134850 / Ring Game
Table legia v - 30.12.11 - 18:56
Blinds : 0.02/0.05
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2 players
[But]+[SB] jacobbannier (5.4)
[BB] aappgg (1.41)

jacobbannier Initial Pot: 0.07

jacobbannier raises to 0.15
aappgg raises to 0.45
jacobbannier calls 0.3
### FLOP ### Pot: 0.9
aappgg bets 0.86
jacobbannier raises to 2.92 (villian had 1 cent left)
aappgg is All in
### TURN ### Pot: 4.78
### RIVER ### Pot: 4.78
aappgg shows
jacobbannier shows
jacobbannier wins 1.96 from side pot n°1 with A Pair of tens
aappgg wins 2.82 from the main pot with A Pair of aces

 

[baudib1]

If he's so weak-tight he could be folding AA here I think it's fine, generally call and of course on this turn just stick it in.

Would never fold any hand to this raise especially not a hand like this.