***2012 PLO Thread***

[Marginal]

In same position as you Margo at Silver Star and about to start the grind for the year but obvs at lower level. Are you still going to play at PS even after the changes tho? What are your reasons for/against. Very confused right now.

I'm going for Supernova btw.

My first few sessions of the new system and I'm obviously make a ton less vpps. Only played 2.5k hands for the year so lol sample but I might need I grind a bit more than expected to hit any goals. Because of this I have also started looking at other sites with bigger rake back because what's the point fighting and grinding for 27% when I can get over 50% on other places. Again, it is still pretty early on so hard to say but of the vpps are comin as slow as they are now, might not make the effort and grind elsewhere. I think stars has made a mistake ( not with the wc method but the redistribution of money back to the community ) but time will tell

 

[jbbb]

2 tabling 10 PLO on stars. Just picking spots really really well. Tried 4 tables but it was a bit of a push. Horrendous considering I was playing 16 tables of 50/50's in December.

WP, whats your SN I was playing PLO10 today on stars but on the Euro tables, so don't think I would have seen you.

 

[Marginal]

Tenbob, all of that from just 2 tables, sick puppy

 

[tenbob]

WP, whats your SN I was playing PLO10 today on stars but on the Euro tables, so don't think I would have seen you.

Its tenbob on stars. I was only playing 2 tables today so you prob missed me. But I play euro donk tables just as much as doller ones. (or intend to)

 

[tenbob]

Line check.

Bet/fold all streets I'm assuming. Couldnt bring myself to fold the river though, I've played too much holdem over the years.

Poker Stars - $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha (5 players)
Poker Stars Hand Converter Tool from CardsChat.com

SB: $10
BB Hero: $10.66
UTG: $9.85
CO: $2.84
BTN: $19.89

Pre-flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB and dealt
2 folds, BTN calls $0.10, SB calls $0.05, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.30) (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.29, BTN calls $0.29, SB folds

Turn: ($0.88) (2 players)
Hero bets $0.70, BTN calls $0.70

River: ($2.28) (2 players)
Hero bets $1.90, BTN raises to $7.87, Hero calls $5.97

 

[Marginal]

Yea as much as I hate saying it (cause I hate the nut peddling image) but unless we have something saying he is a spazz, this is pretty much AQxx. There is no other combo of hands that could really raise here.

 

[jbbb]

Whats your reasoning's behind better flop and/or turn (mostly flop)? I don't see much you beat on the river unless you have a read he's done this before or is super aggro. By looks of it (limping pre) he's a usual weak-passive player and this is probably the nuts.

 

[Marginal]

A lot of draws that will call 2 streets.

Im looking at the hand again and I think in the moment I call as well, I hate putting someone on 1 hand but its the only logical thing that someone can shove but I wont be surpised if a random Axxx hand does it as well. Maybe Axxxdd

 

[baudib1]

Bet/fold river is totally pro, we're probably never good without a read he's a spazz, i mean surely he'd raise QQQ on flop.

 

[Marginal]

Just broke one of My resolutions, I did/ am currently doing some flips. Oh well.

Also, VPPs are very hard to come across.

So far I have played most of my games at 50PLO (up 4BI), some hands at 100PLO (up 3BI) and like 200 hands of 200PLO (1BI) so poker is good right now, but not making anywhere near how many VPPs as I expected.

 

[jbbb]

spewspewspewspewspewspewspewspewspewspewspewspewspewspewspewspewspew FFS

 

[jbbb]

There's literally no point being aggressive with draws in 10PL. If people re-raise they have the nuts and you have no FE.


pokerstars Pot-Limit Omaha, €0.10 BB (4 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB (€12.14)
UTG (€5.85)
Button (€13.24)
Hero (SB) (€10.35)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9

, 7

, 8

, 6

1 fold, Button bets €0.20, Hero raises to €0.70, 1 fold, Button calls €0.50

Flop: (€1.50) 6

, 3

, 10

(2 players)
Hero bets €0.85, Button raises to €3.98, Hero raises to €9.65 (All-In), Button calls €5.67

Turn: (€20.80) Q

(2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (€20.80) 2

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: €20.80 | Rake: €1

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha, €0.10 BB (4 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

This hand below annoyed me. Villian was a pretty aggressive reg who I PTR'd and had player $2/4PLO aswell as 60k hands at 50PLO (.25/.50). If I had seen his PTR before this hand I know I would have leveled myself into a call. Easy fold?



UTG (€10.82)
Button (€5.57)
SB (€13.10)
Hero (BB) (€10)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A

, 9

, 5

, K

UTG bets €0.35, 2 folds, Hero calls €0.25

Flop: (€0.75) 5

, 4

, 6

(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks

Turn: (€0.75) Q

(2 players)
Hero bets €0.57, UTG calls €0.57

River: (€1.89) 6

(2 players)
Hero bets €1.44, UTG raises to €5.10, Hero folds

Total pot: €4.77 | Rake: €0.23

 

[Marginal]

2nd hand is standard.


1st hand u probably prefer the c/r because it looks stronger and he will c bet/ fold often enough to make it worth it. Even when he does have the nuts we are getting the right price to get it in especially when we factor in the times he folds, hence why I prefer a check raise

 

[Marginal]

Also if he checks behind, it's not necessarily a bad thing since we get to see a cheap turn and always only get money in with the nuts.

Check raise also allows us to get it in easier on the flop and if e calls we can shove turn and expect some folds as well.

 

[MaxiRodriguez]

First session of 2012, I'm going to maintain this winrate all year round no doubt.

 

[PotluckXXI]

UTG (€10.82)
Button (€5.57)
SB (€13.10)
Hero (BB) (€10)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A

, 9

, 5

, K

UTG bets €0.35, 2 folds, Hero calls €0.25

Flop: (€0.75) 5

, 4

, 6

(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks

Turn: (€0.75) Q

(2 players)
Hero bets €0.57, UTG calls €0.57

River: (€1.89) 6

(2 players)
Hero bets €1.44, UTG raises to €5.10, Hero folds

Total pot: €4.77 | Rake: €0.23


Hate the turn bet, should have gone at least $2 better all-in

 

[baudib1]

Hand 1 I agree I'd go for C-R, board is so dry and you have the only real draw. If people only stack off with the nuts they'll clearly fold a ton of better hands.

Furthermore there are plenty of times a draw is a big favorite, even on the turn, so it doesn't even matter if you have FE.

Hand 2 I like, I might bet the flop if his range is mostly huge pairs. If guy is a nit folding pre is fine also.

 

[MaxiRodriguez]

iPoker - €0.20 PL Hi - Omaha - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: €29.93
UTG: €21.39
CO: €47.78
Hero (BTN): €20.00
SB: €21.62

SB posts SB €0.10, BB posts BB €0.20

Pre Flop: (€0.30) Hero has Q:heart: 3:club: A:heart: T:club:

UTG raises to €0.70, fold, Hero calls €0.70, SB calls €0.60, fold

Flop: (€2.30, 3 players) 6:club: 3:heart: A:spade:
SB checks, UTG bets €1.80, Hero calls €1.80, fold

Turn: (€5.90, 2 players) K:heart:
UTG bets €4.60, Hero calls €4.60

River: (€15.10, 2 players) Q:spade:
UTG bets €14.29

Villain complete unkown, what do?

iPoker - €0.20 PL Hi - Omaha - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: €31.19
CO: €30.53
Hero (BTN): €20.00
SB: €18.61
BB: €4.66

SB posts SB €0.10, BB posts BB €0.20

Pre Flop: (€0.30) Hero has A:heart: T:heart: K:heart: 5:club:

fold, fold, Hero raises to €0.70, SB calls €0.60, BB calls €0.50

Flop: (€2.10, 3 players) 4:diamond: A:club: T:club:
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets €2.10, SB calls €2.10, fold

Turn: (€6.30, 2 players) K:diamond:
SB checks, Hero bets €4.72, SB raises to €15.81, fold

SB wins €14.96
and this argh lol, but as i think I begin to like my line, esp villain being 92/29.

 

[baudib1]

I play it the same and fold the river.

 

[Marginal]

It's a fold, while its not a bad river, it doesn't really change much. The fact is we have a utg raiser betting all streets and shovin river, would be tough to call here and show a profit unless we know more about him.

 

[tenbob]

3 barrells there is almost always AAxx or KKxx (in my limited experience)

I fold pre as well.

 

[baudib1]

2nd hand, I'm curious to see what others say but I don't like potting the flop there (I realize we're happy to stack vs. BB). We obviously have a hand good enough to bet but shit equity on a ton of turn cards, we're almost never getting in 3 streets vs. worse on any runout.

I'm torn but I think I check behind the turn.

 

[jbbb]

UTG (€10.82)
Button (€5.57)
SB (€13.10)
Hero (BB) (€10)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A

, 9

, 5

, K

UTG bets €0.35, 2 folds, Hero calls €0.25

Flop: (€0.75) 5

, 4

, 6

(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks

Turn: (€0.75) Q

(2 players)
Hero bets €0.57, UTG calls €0.57

River: (€1.89) 6

(2 players)
Hero bets €1.44, UTG raises to €5.10, Hero folds

Total pot: €4.77 | Rake: €0.23


Hate the turn bet, should have gone at least $2 better all-in

It's pot limit, I can't do that ...

iPoker - €0.20 PL Hi - Omaha - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: €29.93
UTG: €21.39
CO: €47.78
Hero (BTN): €20.00
SB: €21.62

SB posts SB €0.10, BB posts BB €0.20

Pre Flop: (€0.30) Hero has Q<font color='red'>♥</font> 3<font color='black'>♣</font> A<font color='red'>♥</font> T<font color='black'>♣</font>

UTG raises to €0.70, fold, Hero calls €0.70, SB calls €0.60, fold

Flop: (€2.30, 3 players) 6<font color='black'>♣</font> 3<font color='red'>♥</font> A<font color='black'>♠</font>
SB checks, UTG bets €1.80, Hero calls €1.80, fold

Turn: (€5.90, 2 players) K<font color='red'>♥</font>
UTG bets €4.60, Hero calls €4.60

River: (€15.10, 2 players) Q<font color='black'>♠</font>
UTG bets €14.29

I quite like 3betting to get HU but this might be bad because we have draws to the nut straight and nut flush.

iPoker - €0.20 PL Hi - Omaha - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: €31.19
CO: €30.53
Hero (BTN): €20.00
SB: €18.61
BB: €4.66

SB posts SB €0.10, BB posts BB €0.20

Pre Flop: (€0.30) Hero has A<font color='red'>♥</font> T<font color='red'>♥</font> K<font color='red'>♥</font> 5<font color='black'>♣</font>

fold, fold, Hero raises to €0.70, SB calls €0.60, BB calls €0.50

Flop: (€2.10, 3 players) 4<font color='red'>♦</font> A<font color='black'>♣</font> T<font color='black'>♣</font>
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets €2.10, SB calls €2.10, fold

Turn: (€6.30, 2 players) K<font color='red'>♦</font>
SB checks, Hero bets €4.72, SB raises to €15.81, fold

SB wins €14.96
and this argh lol, but as i think I begin to like my line, esp villain being 92/29.

I like cbetting flop, maybe a bit less like $1.80. But I think you could probably check back this turn. I know you have the double flush draw to consider but we have a ton of equity aswell as boat re-draws, but it sucks when we get c/r so if we see a river we could make a FH or maybe bluff a flush card if it comes (or call a smaller river blocker bet).

 

[dj11]

Can I get away from this? Villain has not shown much weakness, but has shown way too much luck with river finds. No Omaha tracker so no stats.

Hand#2832014449000258 - Singapore (9-Max) 14449 -- $0.05/$0.10 PL OmahaHiLo -- 2012/01/06 - 12:29:52
Dealer: Seat 5
Seat 1: rikenclacker ($9.62 in chips)
Seat 2: starsljazer ($1.17 in chips)
Seat 3: kokoz-75 ($6 in chips)
Seat 4: dj11_ ($12.77 in chips)
Seat 5: BlindR100 ($13.75 in chips)
Seat 7: poker000777 ($29.64 in chips)
Seat 8: suvacopeludo ($1.55 in chips)
Seat 9: Quasiloda ($2.40 in chips)
Seat 10: Tanfeld ($21.15 in chips)
poker000777: posts small blind $0.05
suvacopeludo: posts big blind $0.10
Dealt to dj11_ [9d,2c,3c,9h]
Quasiloda: folds
Tanfeld: calls $0.10
rikenclacker: folds
starsljazer: folds
kokoz-75: folds
dj11_: calls $0.10
BlindR100: folds
poker000777: calls $0.05
suvacopeludo: checks
*** FLOP *** [9s,Ac,Th]
poker000777: checks
suvacopeludo: checks
Tanfeld: checks
dj11_: bets $0.40
poker000777: folds
suvacopeludo: folds
Tanfeld: calls $0.40
*** TURN *** [As]
Tanfeld: checks
dj11_: bets $1.20
Tanfeld: raises to $4.80
dj11_: calls $3.60

 

[PotluckXXI]

ugh, nightmare with no low A9, AT, A4, TT not to mention AA has you dominated these hands cost $$ in Omaha and the check-raise really is scary. paired 9's are about the worst thing you can get in o8 and that flop was horrific due to the fact that you had a peice of the board for both hi and low, I think you gotta give it up to check raise on the turn. This type of hand is where I have lost all my hard earned winnings. maybe I'm being too nittish but he should have folded to the bet with the A on the turn.