Bot players

[BundesBurger]

Recently I often find out that major poker events are won by players who have entered target tournaments via satellites.The exception was the anniversary Sunday million at poker stars with a prize of $ 12500,000.The winner also passed through the satellite.He was not supposed to play in this tournament on a bankroll.I can't even imagine what kind of bankroll you need to play in a three-day tournament without fear. Either this is a marketing move of the poker room that deliberately brought this player to the winners or some kind of deal. WHO thinks what about it.I'm not accusing anyone it's just my thoughts

you are completely right, it is exactly the same.
it's pure marketing. the winners belong to poker stars.
:congrats:

 

[Kielnia]

One time i have entered freeroll where all players folded non stop and ive been wining only ante until was moved to other table

 

[kiso777]

I think that poker sites launch their bots, it is profitable for them to earn more, while we think that a person plays with us, they take our money. Pay attention to the players you meet in many tournaments and he is at the same table with you, he always plays aggressively, goes allin Doge by 3.4 and 3.8 against your k, k or a, k and always wins a straight, full house or flash . I don’t believe in RNG anymore, since I believe that it is poker sites that make bots to launder money.

 

[jsk963]

Are they any on pokerstsrs?

 

[Comboss599]

Had that situayion last time playing freeroll. AA on a hand reraised from 400 to 2600 chips and suddenly some player is all in with some 8000 with 65 hand and get strait. Pretty strange. Isn't it?

 

[Ami9559]

I do not believe that in such large-scale rooms that they happen. otherwise what is the point of playing

 

[zinzir]

Do any of you get the feeling that most pokersites have bots sat at the tables

Sometimes I have the feeling that I am the bot, being controlled by a program that tells me to go all in

 

[TheEdger18]

:congrats::congrats::congrats::congrats::congrats:

Never want to leave it up to the other guy. People will always make decisions that most wont understand. more than likely they dont even know what they're doing

 

[ventrolloquist]

I think that poker sites launch their bots, it is profitable for them to earn more, while we think that a person plays with us, they take our money. Pay attention to the players you meet in many tournaments and he is at the same table with you, he always plays aggressively, goes allin Doge by 3.4 and 3.8 against your k, k or a, k and always wins a straight, full house or flash . I don’t believe in RNG anymore, since I believe that it is poker sites that make bots to launder money.

Or they just bust out lol.

You probably only remember the times they beat you with 83o.

If enough ppl enter a pot it becones much more likely that any 2 cards can beat your aces.

But ya sometimes it does feel like there is a "favorite" at the table who runs hot.

 

[ventrolloquist]

One time i have entered freeroll where all players folded non stop and ive been wining only ante until was moved to other table

This happens when they sign up but are absent for the tourney on some sites I think? I've robbed 2x my starting stack in blinds by doing this in the past lol.

 

[CriesuaID]

It is visible that there are bots on lesser known poker sites. The big question is whether they are used only to fill empty tables or if they are programmed to earn money for the home.

 

[houcineben10]

If they are bots it's illegal, the website doesn't say anywhere on their website that they have bots. I Don't thin bots exist personnaly, it will be dramatical for us if that's true.

 

[DoIHaveAFlush]

Hi Lisapeter81, as many of us, I've been through a similar Situation already.

My hands: QQ (all-in pre-flop)
Opponents Hands: T8 off-suit (calls all-in)

Board Comes: 8 Q T 2 8

Of Course, this is really bad luck for me (in contrast also very lucky Opponent), but I don't blame my Opponent to be a bot. I think that's how poker is, in all it's Beauty.

Sometimes you loose, sometimes you win, Nothing is a given, even not AA, KK QQ all-in preflop.

 

[Arthur ZM]

I’ve been playing on several poker sites for several years now, but I haven’t seen any bots. If they are, then how to prove that a bot is playing with you and not a person?

 

[fmrocchetti]

I thought bots when I started playing the Spin Go pokerstars, they have a very predictable form of gambling, and all hands were questionable given me several times ..

 

[lexyyxel]

How to explain the same player had 6 times all-in win with random cards ?

 

[rmcmullen2003]

The question of if there are bots or not should not even be a discussion. Phil Naggy the CEO of ACR has openly admitted to there being a rampant bot problem and they list banned accounts on the WPN website. Check it out https://www.winningpokernetwork.com/banned-accounts/ . Some people are so naive. Some people want to argue legal or ill-legal, Regulations and non-regulations, but what law or regulations do you think a card room in Costa Rica operates under and what authority would they have to prosecute a bot ring from say Belarus or Russia. It is mind blowing that people still not think there are bots when it has been publicly acknowledged by even the poker sites in which they argue do not have bots...

 

[rmcmullen2003]

I don't like playing cash tables, for that reason. They are there, to get there money back, if you win a tournament. That's why I just play in tournaments. They probably want you to sit and play cash tables but I wont after I learned my lesson. Sat at the table got pocket As I went all in 1000 dollars and someone quickly called me and flop came qq 10 and the person who called me had q 10 off suit. wont play cash tables anymore.

That is a brutal bad beat!! I had a hand at the casino one day where i flopped a set, 9's i think, and my opponent flopped a set of 4's i think. We end up all in with a $600 approx pot and he hits quad 4's on the river. To top it off he got an extra $200-300 bonus for hitting quads too. I was so pissed off and took awhile to get over that.

 

[chris arthurs]

Not sure if I've ever ran into any how do you tell

 

[LedZeffelin]

The question of if there are bots or not should not even be a discussion. Phil Naggy the CEO of ACR has openly admitted to there being a rampant bot problem and they list banned accounts on the WPN website. Check it out https://www.winningpokernetwork.com/banned-accounts/ . Some people are so naive. Some people want to argue legal or ill-legal, Regulations and non-regulations, but what law or regulations do you think a card room in Costa Rica operates under and what authority would they have to prosecute a bot ring from say Belarus or Russia. It is mind blowing that people still not think there are bots when it has been publicly acknowledged by even the poker sites in which they argue do not have bots...

I reply to everyone, but this post above was apropos of my response. BOTS are not necessarily the problem relative to the much worse problem of COLLUSION.

Think about this. At ACR let's say there are a dozen or so tables at most at every stake level. Well that's actually generous. All you need is a few dozen conspirators to join together and play against the "non-colluders" at every table. If you have friends in different countries it's almost impossible to detect. Perhaps ACR does look for BOTS but they do not have a good method of rooting out colluders. Perhaps there is no way because they actually ask YOU to collect the evidence. Burt I will tell you this:

Colluders CANNOT BE BEAT.

The odds are against you regardless. Just like you might win in roulette on one spin. Here the odds are against you whatever your skill level.

Just imaging playing at a 6-max where 5 other guys know each other and know each others cards. Now they know what you don't have. They also don't care if three of them are in the pot because they share all the win winnings. Personally I believe a) it is probably very difficult to catch unless they are all using CTO like Postle and 2) the rooms are not motivated to catch them sine they generate massive amounts of rake.

I'd love to hear others' opinions...

 

[rmcmullen2003]

I reply to everyone, but this post above was apropos of my response. BOTS are not necessarily the problem relative to the much worse problem of COLLUSION.

I do not even know what your post was that mine was "apropos" or with reference to. I do not disagree that collusion is not a problem either. I have said many times that BOL seems to have the same 5 people on every .50/1.00 table except for 1-2 suckers that do not realize that there are 5 people in cahoots playing against them, or colluding. When I brought this to BOL attention shortly there after they no longer displayed who was at which table from the main menu.
What my comment was apropos (or in reference to) was the people still arguing if bots do or do not exist. That is not even a question anymore. Like I said even the card rooms have acknowledged this publicly and have made strides to reimburse people who were victims and lost money to bots.

 

[skaniol]

I reply to everyone, but this post above was apropos of my response. BOTS are not necessarily the problem relative to the much worse problem of COLLUSION.

Think about this. At ACR let's say there are a dozen or so tables at most at every stake level. Well that's actually generous. All you need is a few dozen conspirators to join together and play against the "non-colluders" at every table. If you have friends in different countries it's almost impossible to detect. Perhaps ACR does look for BOTS but they do not have a good method of rooting out colluders. Perhaps there is no way because they actually ask YOU to collect the evidence. Burt I will tell you this:

Colluders CANNOT BE BEAT.

Colluding humans are bad, indeed, but they can't compare with the effectiveness of a colluding bot ring. The sharing of cards, and the precise calculation of odds on the fly based on the extra info, is the bots' strongest point, after all. If the bots can't be detected, then they'll always be a bigger problem than humans trying to do the same.

Collusion alone is really hard to detect, especially when the number of players is low, because the colluding players have a legitimate reason to be on the same table regularly. There is no antidote for that. I mean, what can you possibly do?

For example, you could try to track the players in order to find whether they are consistently running well above the EV. Then you could investigate their playstyle for any suspicious behavior, which doesn't make sense from a GTO poker point of view. How can you prove they are cheating, though? The legit highlevel poker players are pretty good at reading and adapting to the holdings of the other players. Strange, unpredictable plays are part of their arsenal too, and GTO poker itself involves a mixed strategy.

Unfortunately, the best way to avoid collusion is to stay away from cash games and small tournaments. It's safe to play such games only with a trusted ring of players.

 

[axel142]

bots or very lucky fishes??

 

[TheEdger18]

For sure people bot. just got be like magnuson and beat the computer (;

 

[TheEdger18]

bots or very lucky fishes?

Not even lucky fishies. just naive goldfish. that doesn't have a clue what's out there lol