Landon Tice is already in the hole versus Bill Perkins - and they haven't even played a hand!

More details are found here >>> Landon Tice Confident Heading Into Match Vs. Bill Perkins; Should He Be?

Who do you think will win this battle?

Landon Tice is an extremely intelligent young guy who studies relentlessly - he also for what it is worth he seems very personable.

All signs indicate he will handily beat Perkins but will it enough to recoup $720,000 over the 20K hands - not sure? Negreanu had some very good days against Polk...and I am not sure his game and coaching had improved as much as people say. Variance is such a factor in HU. I think it will depend on how much MJ Gonzales has managed to improve Perkin's game as his coach. Gonzales initially declared Perkins was perhaps the worst player he had coached...and then things went fairly quiet on that front, so who knows how the coaching has been going?

Perkins is a contradictory figure. Obviously brilliant in his area of expertise (hedge fund manager regarding energy?) but outside of that I find him oddly juvenile and with his public pronouncements (implying a murder in Texas was a police hit and the recent home game cheating scandal) a bit of a muck raker.

Well, this match-up might be more entertaining than some may have first thought!

Bill Perkins Hangs Tough Against Landon Tice on Day 1

So, Bill was definitely playing his A-game and managed to win the 2nd session.

Bill Perkins Notches Day 2 Victory in Heads-Up Match Vs. Landon Tice

Originally Posted by Shells

So, Bill was definitely playing his A-game and managed to win the 2nd session.

Bill Perkins Notches Day 2 Victory in Heads-Up Match Vs. Landon Tice

As above, no doubt Tice is the better player but if Perkins is not playing recklessly (as per usual) and he is running well, there will be little Tice can do about it. That $720,000 hole is a large one to climb out of.

I have only followed the challenge a little at this point (the commentators dreadful) - how many hands are they averaging per session?

Okay just checked- they have played just over 900 hands which means around 32 sessions left.

Obviously not insurmountable for either to take a serious hit and climb back up...but as the article states, Landon Tice simply cannot afford, under the terms, to start falling behind at the start of the challenge.

It will be interesting to see the outcome of the next session.

I haven't done too much research other than check the twitch calendar and nothing has been scheduled for the next week, so stay tuned.

Looks like Landon was flexing his muscles this past session by booking a big win over Bill.

Landon Tice Responds in a Big Way to Losing Session against Bill Perkins

Well let's see how it will turn up to be after 10k. This HU is much like Mayweather Vs O'Connor, which is the same as what felins do with their food, you enjoy the foreplay, then u finish it in one take

Frankly, good for Tice - he is undoubtedly the better player.

Its odd because if Perkins played conservatively and ran well, it could have been an uphill climb for Tice...I am trying to be as neutral as possible on this one.

However, if Perkins gets reckless to try to square things it could be a bloodbath

Anybody have action on this?

It’s been interesting so far Curious to see how their play changes once they’ve reached 1k, 2k, 5k hands against each other

Originally Posted by WhiskeyFix

Anybody have action on this?

It’s been interesting so far Curious to see how their play changes once they’ve reached 1k, 2k, 5k hands against each other

Agreed, but I do not gamble haha- just play poker, and only that!

Bill is back on track (technically) after the latest session...still trailing but back on track.

I have yet to find some kind of schedule (I have to be blind or just skimming over stuff too fast) then I might actually catch some of the Twitch stream. Anyone have any ideas when the next one will be? (no upcoming dates/times seem to be on either Bill or Landon's Twitter account, either)


Winning Session Puts Perkins Back on Track in Heads-Up Challenge

I haven't been able to get interested in this. I have tried to watch it a few times now but my interest fades quickly. Maybe it's because I don't really care who wins? I don't know. Landon Tice definitely does not have the charisma of Doug Polk or Daniel Negreanu. So I just haven't found it very entertaining up to this point.

Everything here was initially clear, no intrigue. All the same, Perkins is an amateur, as they say, a recreational player.

This has been fun to follow. I'm glad that CC is covering the event with great writeups.

Originally Posted by myquickwit

I haven't been able to get interested in this. I have tried to watch it a few times now but my interest fades quickly. Maybe it's because I don't really care who wins? I don't know. Landon Tice definitely does not have the charisma of Doug Polk or Daniel Negreanu. So I just haven't found it very entertaining up to this point.

Well I am a little on the fence regarding these challenges. The initial challenge of Galfond v Venividi was epic and novel.

Negreanu v Polk was compelling but the Holz v Malinowski challenge was a farce. I think Dara O'Kearney sort of nailed these challenges a few months ago saying they were really not that interesting (format and presentation) and he thought interest would wane.

I realized recently I have no idea what is going on with the subsequent Galfond challenges...and do not really care too much. I then just checked the Twitch stream numbers on the Tice v Perkins challenge and it appears a paltry 3k or so are watching the stream. The You Tube uploads are not faring any better except for the last stream where Joey Ingram was brought in to commentate and that only got 17k in total views so far.

The one good thing about the Holz v Malinowski challenge was they set up a camera on both players so it was that much more engaging (though the play was poor) and I think with visuals and a strong commentary these challenges are watchable. Without, not so much anymore.

Originally Posted by DS3

Well I am a little on the fence regarding these challenges. The initial challenge of Galfond v Venividi was epic and novel.

Negreanu v Polk was compelling but the Holz v Malinowski challenge was a farce. I think Dara O'Kearney sort of nailed these challenges a few months ago saying they were really not that interesting (format and presentation) and he thought interest would wane.

I realized recently I have no idea what is going on with the subsequent Galfond challenges...and do not really care too much. I then just checked the Twitch stream numbers on the Tice v Perkins challenge and it appears a paltry 3k or so are watching the stream. The You Tube uploads are not faring any better except for the last stream where Joey Ingram was brought in to commentate and that only got 17k in total views so far.

The one good thing about the Holz v Malinowski challenge was they set up a camera on both players so it was that much more engaging (though the play was poor) and I think with visuals and a strong commentary these challenges are watchable. Without, not so much anymore.

A dozen years ago, HeadsUp poker, no cards revealed, no commentary, no streaming, no breakdown of hands, etc. etc. still drew in 10's of thousands of viewers! The days of Tom 'Durrrr' Dwan & Isildur on FTP! That stuff was hugely entertaining!

Originally Posted by Poker Orifice

A dozen years ago, HeadsUp poker, no cards revealed, no commentary, no streaming, no breakdown of hands, etc. etc. still drew in 10's of thousands of viewers! The days of Tom 'Durrrr' Dwan & Isildur on FTP! That stuff was hugely entertaining!

What I do not understand at this point is why can't they get them in a studio live? I am sure they have both been vaccinated...

For sure that will be much more interesting if the players are live in studio...

Originally Posted by DS3

What I do not understand at this point is why can't they get them in a studio live? I am sure they have both been vaccinated...

Appreciate your feedback, I will send it to the department in charge.

ACR Rep

Originally Posted by ACR Rep

Appreciate your feedback, I will send it to the department in charge.

ACR Rep

Thank you!

Love the fact that the ACR responds like no other poker site rep on Cards Chat. Kudos for the attention - if nothing changes I'll still appreciate your focus on behalf of CC members!

The support rep here at CardsChat is one of the best and has an awesome approach to answering issues even when folks are very upset.

Originally Posted by Shells

Bill is back on track (technically) after the latest session...still trailing but back on track.

I have yet to find some kind of schedule (I have to be blind or just skimming over stuff too fast) then I might actually catch some of the Twitch stream. Anyone have any ideas when the next one will be? (no upcoming dates/times seem to be on either Bill or Landon's Twitter account, either)


Winning Session Puts Perkins Back on Track in Heads-Up Challenge

Is there another thread to follow the updated count, or have they not played another session in a while?

Originally Posted by ekgbeat

Is there another thread to follow the updated count, or have they not played another session in a while?

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###Breaking News####

The HU battle is over, and Perky has won. Head over to Landon's twitter page, but it looks like he forfeited. Is this a troll, or is it really over?

https://twitter.com/LandonTice/status/1411458632869322752


I can't wait to see the CC write-up/ interview on this one @ Shells

Originally Posted by ekgbeat

###Breaking News####

The HU battle is over, and Perky has won. Head over to Landon's twitter page, but it looks like he forfeited. Is this a troll, or is it really over?

https://twitter.com/LandonTice/status/1411458632869322752


I can't wait to see the CC write-up/ interview on this one @ Shells

Yep, just read it myself. Landon's Twitter feed was blowing up there for a bit. It takes a big person to admit defeat with anything, in my opinion, and because of that and the fact Landon IS a good poker player, he will be someone I will watch out for in the future. A part of me wonders how he would change the terms going into the challenge (if he ever had a chance to do it over again) but I doubt we will ever really know.

The CardsChat article written by Jon Sofen is linked below.

Landon Tice Waves the White Flag: Bill Perkins Tougher than Expected

Tice on Heads-Up Failure Against Perkins: I Should Have Put More Time in Studying

Hmmm, I'm just wading through the Doug Polk podcast (almost 3 hours, yikes) on the duel with guests who have real heads up expertise and some directly invloved in the Tice coaching and none of it makes sense.

They were only 25% into the challenge and the match was basically even. Yes, Tice would have had to pick up the pace to recoup the 720,000K...but it really appears as if Tice might not be the phenom people thought and his backers and coaches lost faith.

Also interesting is the fact Polk says he has played Perkins a lot in recent times and he noticed Perkins was removing mistakes from his game- not quite the fish people think (myself) when in a focused environment as opposed to his goofy play style on TV.

Originally Posted by Shells

Yep, just read it myself. Landon's Twitter feed was blowing up there for a bit. It takes a big person to admit defeat with anything, in my opinion, and because of that and the fact Landon IS a good poker player, he will be someone I will watch out for in the future. A part of me wonders how he would change the terms going into the challenge (if he ever had a chance to do it over again) but I doubt we will ever really know.

The CardsChat article written by Jon Sofen is linked below.

Landon Tice Waves the White Flag: Bill Perkins Tougher than Expected

Originally Posted by Shells

Tice on Heads-Up Failure Against Perkins: I Should Have Put More Time in Studying

You are right Shells. Great recap, and that twitter post was heartbreaking. He is young so he has time to get better, and this will just be a blip on the timeline. I just hope that he has good people around him that can lift him up.

Yes, Landon Tice is going to be an interesting player to follow.

But if you wade through the Doug Polk podcast Tice, his coaches and backers do no come off too well - and as regards the 'heartbreaking' Twitter post, Tice was still not facing reality, it was his backers who pulled the plug and he was upset about it.

Some things which struck me.

Obviously Tice was getting lauded and fluffed as pokers new whizz kid, which might be justified if he stayed in his lane - 6-Max. I had presumed 'backers' had set up the duel but it now appears, Tice getting carried away with himself, booked it himself. They then had to scramble for an inordinate amount of time getting the wager covered.

Kevin Rabichow joined the Tice team as head coach (featured in the podcast he is frank about multiple weaknesses in the buildup) and within weeks realized that Tice was not putting in the HU study he should- he was just enjoying his regular life. Two more coaches joined (ex Polk camp) and they expressed concerns, Nonetheless they all took a serious stake to cover Tice as they still presumed Perkins would 'hand them money'.

However, into the last month before the duel when Tice finally was paying attention to HU study, two of the coaches were so unimpressed with Tice they sold their stakes.

Then, as soon as the duel started it was obvious that Perkins had plugged a lot of leaks, yet Tice seemed adrift with no sign that his grasp of HU was improving. Climbing out if that $720,000 hole (that again, he had booked) looked increasingly out of reach.

So backers and coaches agreed to pull the plug. I would not have pulled the plug so early but I don't have the inside track.

Landon Tice is a very intelligent guy with a serious skill set in 6-Max. I think various poker celebs got carried away bigging him up and Tice bought into it. Sure this is an embarrassing episode but maybe Tice is the type that needed to be levelled before he reaches his true potential. But I do get the feeling he's the type to get his feet back on the ground and start grinding again.

Originally Posted by DS3

Yes, Landon Tice is going to be an interesting player to follow.

But if you wade through the Doug Polk podcast Tice, his coaches and backers do no come off too well - and as regards the 'heartbreaking' Twitter post, Tice was still not facing reality, it was his backers who pulled the plug and he was upset about it.

Some things which struck me.

Obviously Tice was getting lauded and fluffed as pokers new whizz kid, which might be justified if he stayed in his lane - 6-Max. I had presumed 'backers' had set up the duel but it now appears, Tice getting carried away with himself, booked it himself. They then had to scramble for an inordinate amount of time getting the wager covered.

Kevin Rabichow joined the Tice team as head coach (featured in the podcast he is frank about multiple weaknesses in the buildup) and within weeks realized that Tice was not putting in the HU study he should- he was just enjoying his regular life. Two more coaches joined (ex Polk camp) and they expressed concerns, Nonetheless they all took a serious stake to cover Tice as they still presumed Perkins would 'hand them money'.

However, into the last month before the duel when Tice finally was paying attention to HU study, two of the coaches were so unimpressed with Tice they sold their stakes.

Then, as soon as the duel started it was obvious that Perkins had plugged a lot of leaks, yet Tice seemed adrift with no sign that his grasp of HU was improving. Climbing out if that $720,000 hole (that again, he had booked) looked increasingly out of reach.

So backers and coaches agreed to pull the plug. I would not have pulled the plug so early but I don't have the inside track.

Landon Tice is a very intelligent guy with a serious skill set in 6-Max. I think various poker celebs got carried away bigging him up and Tice bought into it. Sure this is an embarrassing episode but maybe Tice is the type that needed to be levelled before he reaches his true potential. But I do get the feeling he's the type to get his feet back on the ground and start grinding again.

Landon is a kid...22 years old is a kid and he has a lot of maturing to do and that includes anything to do with poker. He will make mistakes and he will not take things in life seriously - all part of the maturing process. His coaches (and backers) seem to be the voice or the decision-makers for Landon, boosting his ego (which is not hard for any young poker player at the best of times) and naturally, he is going to buy it all with dollar signs in his eyes. My hope is he (and his coaches and any backers) will have learned a hard lesson from all of this and also hope Landon will be in a position to make his own life decisions in the future.

https://twitter.com/LandonTice/status/1411770824634232833

Agree Shells.

Obviously he got a lot of attention and promotion through individuals who I would say are celebrities within the poker world and they thought Tice could be another. He can...but all in good time.