S93
Legend
Silver Level
Just asked cause i remeberd a weekend reg that played 10nl FR/6max when i was playing it and had a 3bet of like 40% and similar 4bet, he was a gold mine.
his name ends with ingoi....
his name ends with ingoi....
slycbnew
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
Thanks delta, enty, and richyl - very useful comments - I'll be researching my db when I get home from work tonight... I think the suggestions to review cbetting (both flop and turn) and value betting are likely right on the money, I'm sure I'm missing tons of value (high W$SD %, low AF, too much trying to induce bluffs).
To your points, of course, I'm reluctant to re-tool too much too quickly, since I'm winning, but I don't want to get too robotic/predictable. Thanks!
Follow up question (you got me thinking) - I've started calling opening raises in late position with hands I would've thrown away in the past. It's not a huge thing with me (obviously, since my VPIP is still very low for 6max), but I'm doing this in the following situations (both 25NL and 50NL):
1. Fish in early position opened with a raise (if he flat called and I've got anything remotely reasonable, and nobody has raised behind him, I 3bet).
2. Aggro, say 20%+ PFR and 3+ AF, in early position opened with a raise and I've got a hand that either connects with the flop or doesn't, and is easy to throw away.
(side note, I've started reviewing villain's PFR by position - this has been extremely interesting - played one villain on 4 tables yesterday who open raised 35% on the button, 0% in MP, and 35% in EP over 500 hands!!!)
The hands I'm looking for in these spots are sc's (for the fish, any sc, for the aggro, I'm looking for, say, a 9 high sc/one gapper/two gapper), small pp's, and sometimes suited A's (not my favorite, prefer the others). Maybe 10% of the time I'll raise these hands for variety (otherwise I think I get squeezed by good players in the blinds if I flat call too much). My 3bet range for both these guys is around the top 5% of hands otherwise.
For the fish, I'm willing to float a lot of flops to try to take the pot on the turn. For the aggro, depending on the AF and what I've seen him showdown, I'm a little less willing to float (maybe I shouldn't be doing this then?).
I'd imagine this isn't great for my non-sd line - is this reasonable otherwise? I got these ideas from threads/discussions from stronger players here, but I'm not sure I'm putting these into practice correctly, wanted to double check.
To your points, of course, I'm reluctant to re-tool too much too quickly, since I'm winning, but I don't want to get too robotic/predictable. Thanks!
Follow up question (you got me thinking) - I've started calling opening raises in late position with hands I would've thrown away in the past. It's not a huge thing with me (obviously, since my VPIP is still very low for 6max), but I'm doing this in the following situations (both 25NL and 50NL):
1. Fish in early position opened with a raise (if he flat called and I've got anything remotely reasonable, and nobody has raised behind him, I 3bet).
2. Aggro, say 20%+ PFR and 3+ AF, in early position opened with a raise and I've got a hand that either connects with the flop or doesn't, and is easy to throw away.
(side note, I've started reviewing villain's PFR by position - this has been extremely interesting - played one villain on 4 tables yesterday who open raised 35% on the button, 0% in MP, and 35% in EP over 500 hands!!!)
The hands I'm looking for in these spots are sc's (for the fish, any sc, for the aggro, I'm looking for, say, a 9 high sc/one gapper/two gapper), small pp's, and sometimes suited A's (not my favorite, prefer the others). Maybe 10% of the time I'll raise these hands for variety (otherwise I think I get squeezed by good players in the blinds if I flat call too much). My 3bet range for both these guys is around the top 5% of hands otherwise.
For the fish, I'm willing to float a lot of flops to try to take the pot on the turn. For the aggro, depending on the AF and what I've seen him showdown, I'm a little less willing to float (maybe I shouldn't be doing this then?).
I'd imagine this isn't great for my non-sd line - is this reasonable otherwise? I got these ideas from threads/discussions from stronger players here, but I'm not sure I'm putting these into practice correctly, wanted to double check.
slycbnew
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
Hmmm, follow up - was just reading some fairly violent reactions to limping behind in FR with specifically A rag suited in the HA forum (again, I'm not particularly keen on Ax suited, I vastly prefer having sc's and pp's in this situation, and I do mix in some raises/3bets with these). Should I apply this here as well, just don't call?
What I'm trying to achieve here is IP postflop play with fish (who are likely to miss the flop and not know what to do in response to a float, or if my hand connects) and with aggros with high cbet %/high PFR % (more looking for the hand to connect). Should I just generally toss these ideas and go with a raise in any of these cases?
What I'm trying to achieve here is IP postflop play with fish (who are likely to miss the flop and not know what to do in response to a float, or if my hand connects) and with aggros with high cbet %/high PFR % (more looking for the hand to connect). Should I just generally toss these ideas and go with a raise in any of these cases?
Richyl2008
Visionary
Silver Level
Im not sure floating a fish when they show aggression is going to be a good play. Just make a hand and try to extract max value. Against the lags probably not a good idea to call raises looking to hit flops without a fish in the pot. Thier ranges are usually too wide to have implied odds. You can take some of the small pairs/sc's and 3bet those guys lite every couple rotations or so(much less so oop). If they are defending too much then just 3bet them for value but widen your range some for value 3bets. The more you call raises with your speculative hands against people opening wide ranges, the more you will have to bluff postflop in order to make your calls profitable, which takes more postflop skill and handreading to determine thier range and fold equity on certain flops.
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orangepeeleo
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
I had to withdraw some funds the other day, and as my 6max game has been quite bad recently, b/c i originally built my roll playing FR i decided to leave $100 in my account and build the roll up again playing nothing but 6max.
Typically though i must have flicked el doomswitch b/c i lost 6 BI's right off the bat! Played again tonight and after 1 and a 1/4 hrs i finished a whole $1.60 down, i think i played a lot, lot better tonight though, wish me luck as i once again grind my way through 5nl lol.
Irexes said something similar in one of his articles, and i think it relates well to what i'm doing now, i don't care how long it takes me to get good so i'm happy to start from the bottom rung when it comes to my 6max game as i feel there's a lot of holes in it at the minute, hopefully i'll come out at the end of this a much better player for it.
Typically though i must have flicked el doomswitch b/c i lost 6 BI's right off the bat! Played again tonight and after 1 and a 1/4 hrs i finished a whole $1.60 down, i think i played a lot, lot better tonight though, wish me luck as i once again grind my way through 5nl lol.
Irexes said something similar in one of his articles, and i think it relates well to what i'm doing now, i don't care how long it takes me to get good so i'm happy to start from the bottom rung when it comes to my 6max game as i feel there's a lot of holes in it at the minute, hopefully i'll come out at the end of this a much better player for it.
Caseace48
Rock Star
Silver Level
Sure Enty, I owe you one anywho
If you think doing the sweat would help. Thursday night after 7:30 est. would probably be best for me. PM me.
Caseace48
Rock Star
Silver Level
Part Brag, Part Update and a definite thanks to Enty for reaffirming my game/fixing minor holes.
Since major downswing ending as of May 2nd, been operating at 9 BB/100 for the last 10.5k hands at 10NL FR with only two negative sessions both under -.5 buy-ins
Since major downswing ending as of May 2nd, been operating at 9 BB/100 for the last 10.5k hands at 10NL FR with only two negative sessions both under -.5 buy-ins
Caseace48
Rock Star
Silver Level
Hah, wow sorry about the chain of posts, but I just started doing those 210fpp 20man satellites for the 11 tourney dollars. Just wondering where/how you trade them in for $$. I remember reading it someplace but can't find it anywhere now Thanks!
Thanks!
dsvw56
I'm a Taurus
Silver Level
Hah, wow sorry about the chain of posts, but I just started doing those 210fpp 20man satellites for the 11 tourney dollars. Just wondering where/how you trade them in for $$. I remember reading it someplace but can't find it anywhere now
I use www.psmoney.com
kleitches
Visionary
Silver Level
Deltafrost
Rock Star
Silver Level
why not just go to 2+2 and searching? they do like a 99% exchange.
BTW enty if you think it's good to get a diff view ill sweat you, i need to get a mic but i can go buy it tomorrow. im a 6max guy obviously but it might help to get a diff view. just pm me if interested so i get an email about it and respond asap
Jurn8
Legend
Silver Level
Exams suck I have two swears arranged for this weekend though after my exam one with Jagsti and the other with Enty both me sweating them so should be good as I know Jay is running horrible and enty needs re focusing so should be goot.
PokerVic
Visionary
Silver Level
Hah, wow sorry about the chain of posts, but I just started doing those 210fpp 20man satellites for the 11 tourney dollars. Just wondering where/how you trade them in for $$. I remember reading it someplace but can't find it anywhere now
If you can do well in the satellites, then why not just convert them to $ by playing SNGs. Play 9-player $10+1 STTs, for example. They don't take much time, and even if you are break-even with them, you'll still earn more than if you use a trading website. If your ROI is greater than zero, you're also making profit in the process.
And, (little known fact) PS gives you FPP for the SNGs you play even when you pay your buy-in in T$. So, that's additional rakeback.
dsvw56
I'm a Taurus
Silver Level
https://www.cardschat.com/forum/general-poker-13/my-quest-0-10-000-6-a-151601/
I want everyone to read that entire thread. That is how your opponents think. Next time you start running bad and start doubting yourself, read that and realize how much better you are than your opponents.
I want everyone to read that entire thread. That is how your opponents think. Next time you start running bad and start doubting yourself, read that and realize how much better you are than your opponents.
kleitches
Visionary
Silver Level
Deltafrost
Rock Star
Silver Level
Very good point. I lol'ed when i first read it.
**** 2+2
They can be good for T$ tho..
also i believe Zach used to buy T$ but not sure if he still does.
slycbnew
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
+1
While I'm struggling to improve my value betting, it's great to see that the droolers are looking to play soooted TT's.
slycbnew
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
Excellent, excellent advice, ty - I worked on this the last couple of days, and it's been fantastic. I suspect strongly that increasing my 3betting range against these guys lead them to really widen their defending range (since it was transparent on at least a couple of tables that I was targeting them for 3bets), and it was really profitable.
Dry Q, K, or A high boards are fun!
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orangepeeleo
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
Wish me luck bitches, off to play a £20 freezeout at my local club in aldershot tonight, hopefully theres some cash action on afterwards too first live poker for aaaagggggeeeessss, i'm so excited lol
Update will follow
first live poker for aaaagggggeeeessss, i'm so excited lolUpdate will follow
aesopdurasic
Rock Star
Silver Level
I really havent noticed this thread before but I figured I am grinding the micro-limits i might as well post in here. I recently have been slowly building a BR playing 6max nl cash games. I am currently play at .01/.02 and my goal is to grind all the way up to 100 6 max nl. I believe this is a goal that i can accomplish within time. Well here is a graph from 5/06/09-Today.
OK also here is the stats that go with this graph.
let me know what u think and maybe where i can improve at.
My BR is a little short $20.00 due to a prop bet I lost with a friend.
My bankroll is currently sitting at $49.09.
Thanks Aesop
OK also here is the stats that go with this graph.
let me know what u think and maybe where i can improve at.
My BR is a little short $20.00 due to a prop bet I lost with a friend.
My bankroll is currently sitting at $49.09.
Thanks Aesop
