zachvac
Legend
Silver Level
If Dwan had KK there would it have been outplayed? In HU felting TT is completely standard. It's just like KK vs. AA at a 6max or FR game.
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postflopper
Rock Star
Silver Level
of course not, it's completely different. with KK, only 1 hand beats u, AA. with 10s, u have 4 hands that dominates u, JJ QQ KK AA, and perhaps 2 hands that u might flip with in an all-in scenario, AK AQ.
with a single re-raise, dwan decided he had enough information to decide that he had the best hand? cos as helmuth said right after the match, his reraise was intentionally made small to appear weak. 10s vs AAs doesnt quantify as a cooler to me, even in headsup.
good to hear different opinions though. broadens my views. peace.
jewboy07
Visionary
Silver Level
those hands are also less likely heads up though
OzExorcist
Broomcorn's uncle
Bronze Level
True. We're not talking about "most people" though - we're talking about high stakes players who win and lose those amounts on a regular basis.
Proof: "most people" wouldn't give their opponents 2:1 on a $500K side bet of this nature either.
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ihavea4
Enthusiast
Silver Level
lol
this is a really cool idea for a challenge. it will be interesting to see what happens, as those guys are great live, like everyone has said, but the transition to online is not always easy. on the other hand, multitabling 4 tables is tough, and playing the top pros at the same time might be too much. either way it should be exciting.
Crummy
Legend
Silver Level
Released on HSN today:
Yesterday Dwan was once again grinding at FTP, multi-tabling as usually and, needless to say, losing a lot. In just 274 hands he managed to loss a stunning $321k, that is over thousands bucks in every hand!
In 2009, after just three weeks Dwan has lost over $3.2 million playing online! I don’t know, maybe I’m starting to repeat myself, but I just don’t know how long he can go losing like this and still keep playing at the highest stakes. It must be very hard for him to go down to play lower limits after challenging everybody to play against him.
Still, it would be a shame if Dwan goes broke only because of his ego. Mike Matusow talk about this in his latest episode of Mouthpiece, the show that he host in cardplayer.tv.
Yesterday Dwan was once again grinding at FTP, multi-tabling as usually and, needless to say, losing a lot. In just 274 hands he managed to loss a stunning $321k, that is over thousands bucks in every hand!
In 2009, after just three weeks Dwan has lost over $3.2 million playing online! I don’t know, maybe I’m starting to repeat myself, but I just don’t know how long he can go losing like this and still keep playing at the highest stakes. It must be very hard for him to go down to play lower limits after challenging everybody to play against him.
Still, it would be a shame if Dwan goes broke only because of his ego. Mike Matusow talk about this in his latest episode of Mouthpiece, the show that he host in cardplayer.tv.
vanquish
Legend
Silver Level
the man has a lot more money than you think (and is capable of selling action)
eNTy
Legend
Silver Level
Sounds like my Januaryx10^6
Also this is so freaking sick, how can he be up so much against those pros.
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cAPSLOCK
Cardschat Elite
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I am not really a betting man, and don't like to gamble... 
but here is a proposition bet I would make ($0.10 even odds is about all I can afford currently):
There seem to be those who think Durrrr is talented to the extent that his bet is valid, and he will likely not lose. They see his recent downswings as being insignificant and his record as supporting his prowess. They are rooting for him.
The other camp sees him as vulnerable. They may call him arrogant and argue that this bet puts him at significant risk for ALL his money. They see his recent downswings as significant and his bet as dangerous. Some may even be rooting against him.
My bet is this.
Those who are in the first camp are the players that look like him.
Those in the second are the players who do not.
In other words: Young (early 20s) players who play primarily on the net and got their start as net players and prefer multi-tabling. \VS\ Older (30s+) players who tend towards more live experience early on in their poker journey.
As for me... I am firmly in the second camp demographic wise, but respect his play and am rooting for him. I also think the bet is extraordinarily foolish (in a BRM sense) and full of hubris. I am rooting for him.
but here is a proposition bet I would make ($0.10 even odds is about all I can afford currently):There seem to be those who think Durrrr is talented to the extent that his bet is valid, and he will likely not lose. They see his recent downswings as being insignificant and his record as supporting his prowess. They are rooting for him.
The other camp sees him as vulnerable. They may call him arrogant and argue that this bet puts him at significant risk for ALL his money. They see his recent downswings as significant and his bet as dangerous. Some may even be rooting against him.
My bet is this.
Those who are in the first camp are the players that look like him.
Those in the second are the players who do not.
In other words: Young (early 20s) players who play primarily on the net and got their start as net players and prefer multi-tabling. \VS\ Older (30s+) players who tend towards more live experience early on in their poker journey.
As for me... I am firmly in the second camp demographic wise, but respect his play and am rooting for him. I also think the bet is extraordinarily foolish (in a BRM sense) and full of hubris. I am rooting for him.
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Sysvr4
Rock Star
Silver Level
Not that he's the definitive odds maker, but Mike Matusow recently went on record as saying Tom had "lost [his] f*cking mind" making this bet and that his ego would eventually break him. I tend to agree.
What made it interesting is that he also mentioned that Tom is one of the most talented poker players he ever knew and that he very much liked him, so it was saying it to be spiteful. He just truly believed Tom was in for a world of hurt.
Tom's skill is undoubtedly great, but his ego has led him to a bet he cannot win. Oh, he may win a match or two, but long term against the likes of Ivey and PA, there's no chance he has a 3-1 edge even four tabling. I find it astonishing that so many are naive enough to believe otherwise... I belive it clearly shows the degree of idolization to which his fans are subject.
Then again, WTHDIK.
What made it interesting is that he also mentioned that Tom is one of the most talented poker players he ever knew and that he very much liked him, so it was saying it to be spiteful. He just truly believed Tom was in for a world of hurt.
Tom's skill is undoubtedly great, but his ego has led him to a bet he cannot win. Oh, he may win a match or two, but long term against the likes of Ivey and PA, there's no chance he has a 3-1 edge even four tabling. I find it astonishing that so many are naive enough to believe otherwise... I belive it clearly shows the degree of idolization to which his fans are subject.
Then again, WTHDIK.
odinscott
Legend
Silver Level
anyone thinking that durrrr has enough money to drop 3 mill, continue on this downswing, and on top of it lose this challenge is fooling themselves
he can surely withstand the 3 mill, but if he keeps dropping even 1 mill a month, he wont even be able to start the challenge
it was supposed to start after this round of live tournies, though there seems to be alot of speculation that because of his recent misfortunes, he may postpone or cancel it altogether
people need to realise that durrrr doesnt have all of that money he won
first and foremost, he had to pay taxes on it
second he is known to have an entourage and heavy monthly living expenses
i have no doubt that he could get a backer in a second, but it is absurd that people think he has 100 mill or whatever the number being thrown around
even the players with massive sponsorship deals, arent in that category
obv ivey and others do, but these people also have sold themselves to advertisements (and ivey obv owns a part of full tilt, etc)
he can surely withstand the 3 mill, but if he keeps dropping even 1 mill a month, he wont even be able to start the challenge
it was supposed to start after this round of live tournies, though there seems to be alot of speculation that because of his recent misfortunes, he may postpone or cancel it altogether
people need to realise that durrrr doesnt have all of that money he won
first and foremost, he had to pay taxes on it
second he is known to have an entourage and heavy monthly living expenses
i have no doubt that he could get a backer in a second, but it is absurd that people think he has 100 mill or whatever the number being thrown around
even the players with massive sponsorship deals, arent in that category
obv ivey and others do, but these people also have sold themselves to advertisements (and ivey obv owns a part of full tilt, etc)
pantin007
member
Silver Level
kinda hard to say what financial position he is in, we just dont know. he could have won money in big live games, he could be backing other players, so on, so on
naruto_miu
Legend
Silver Level
Just curious you would mention his entourage! Why the hell does he have to support them? I don't get this part of being a famous person/ poker player/ Sports player/ or anything else that may-be included in these type of fields.
So my question once again is why does he have to support his entourage?
pantin007
member
Silver Level
cause for some ppl, money is inversely proportional to intelligenceJust curious you would mention his entourage! Why the hell does he have to support them? I don't get this part of being a famous person/ poker player/ Sports player/ or anything else that may-be included in these type of fields.
So my question once again is why does he have to support his entourage?
naruto_miu
Legend
Silver Level
Ok so you mean the more money you have the more intelligent you are?
If so that still makes no sense as to why he would support, others?
I understand Family, Kids, Wife/Gf & Mistress
, maybe buyin your closest of friends a house, Car (Maybe & to be honest that would be pushing it for me ). Yet is a Entourage not a click of ppl that go to places with you on a constant basises, and you support them "with your money", to do things that you want them/they want to do with you? If so, that really and honestly makes less sense, since you would be just throwing your money away.
Which in closing makes me think that said person/persons, have little to less intelligence, then say an average person, or they really have so much money that they could care less about money in-itself.
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cAPSLOCK
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
Ok so you mean the more money you have the more intelligent you are?
Proportionality (mathematics)
So it is just the other way around....