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[Beanfacekilla]

The K-Jo hand...


I like preflop.

Bet flop. If he calls, decide whether to double barrel or not. If he C/R fold OBV.

As played, OTR, I think we just fold. These high variance plays aren't necessary at these stakes, IMO.

 

[IPlay]

Yeah I agree it isn't necessary but it was a perfect spot for a bluff. Villain rarely has a strong hand and I could have AA, AT, KQ, JJ, 1010 while he has A3, J10, KQ but I block J10 and KQ so he just has a lot of junk. He folded pretty quick though, I think he had nothing.

In this hand heros image is that he is definitely capable of 3 betting light and if you can't tell, the whole table was pretty wild preflop.

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: $15.80 (VPIP: 26.19, PFR: 21.43, 3Bet Preflop: 11.76, hands: 87)
CO: $15.20 (VPIP: 25.16, PFR: 20.65, 3Bet Preflop: 17.86, Hands: 155)
Hero (BTN): $22.07
SB: $13.45 (VPIP: 30.77, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 13)
BB: $19.13 (VPIP: 30.94, PFR: 22.65, 3Bet Preflop: 12.90, Hands: 191)
UTG: $8.95 (VPIP: 21.57, PFR: 5.88, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 51)

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has Q:diamond: Q:spade:

fold, MP raises to $0.30, fold, Hero raises to $1.15, fold, BB calls $1.05, MP raises to $3.70, HERO ???

 

[Aces2w1n]

Yeah I agree it isn't necessary but it was a perfect spot for a bluff. Villain rarely has a strong hand and I could have AA, AT, KQ, JJ, 1010 while he has A3, J10, KQ but I block J10 and KQ so he just has a lot of junk. He folded pretty quick though, I think he had nothing.

In this hand heros image is that he is definitely capable of 3 betting light and if you can't tell, the whole table was pretty wild preflop.

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: $15.80 (VPIP: 26.19, PFR: 21.43, 3Bet Preflop: 11.76, Hands: 87)
CO: $15.20 (VPIP: 25.16, PFR: 20.65, 3Bet Preflop: 17.86, Hands: 155)
Hero (BTN): $22.07
SB: $13.45 (VPIP: 30.77, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 13)
BB: $19.13 (VPIP: 30.94, PFR: 22.65, 3Bet Preflop: 12.90, Hands: 191)
UTG: $8.95 (VPIP: 21.57, PFR: 5.88, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 51)

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has Q<font color='red'>♦</font> Q<font color='black'>♠</font>

fold, MP raises to $0.30, fold, Hero raises to $1.15, fold, BB calls $1.05, MP raises to $3.70, HERO ???

Fold most of the time here but if you think he's doing this with AK TT... we have position and can call.. and then see how he reacts on flop.

 

[IPlay]

One of the problems with flatting is that BB is almost always coming along.

 

[Aces2w1n]

One of the problems with flatting is that BB is almost always coming



So if we shove we risk mp turning up with KK AA and lets face it hes going to have that more at MP or at least QQ min. 4bet at this level in my xp is KK+ but still a chance with high 3bet he has Ax

BB will make it more enticing to call because MP wont go away when we hit tens nor BB. I see a good way to tripple up here. But if we miss we have to see what MP does on flop and use position against him and hope BB drops off with MPs cbet

All about the flop cbet mp does.

 

[IPlay]

One of the problems with flatting is that BB is almost always coming



So if we shove we risk mp turning up with KK AA and lets face it hes going to have that more at MP or at least QQ min. 4bet at this level in my xp is KK+ but still a chance with high 3bet he has Ax

BB will make it more enticing to call because MP wont go away when we hit tens nor BB. I see a good way to tripple up here. But if we miss we have to see what MP does on flop and use position against him and hope BB drops off with MPs cbet

All about the flop cbet mp does.

Crazy thing is how aggressive this player pool is. The average player is 25/18 with a 7% 3bet so most regs are getting it in with AK for the most part, and my image is that I am surely capable of squeezing light here and sometimes regs just randomly lose their minds. Like this hand below

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: $3.79 (VPIP: 70.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)
CO: $9.77 (VPIP: 26.67, PFR: 15.83, 3Bet Preflop: 4.35, Hands: 123)
Hero (BTN): $8.18
SB: $13.80 (VPIP: 15.72, PFR: 11.67, 3Bet Preflop: 5.34, Hands: 324)
BB: $5.00 (VPIP: 23.59, PFR: 18.02, 3Bet Preflop: 4.17, Hands: 297)

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has K:club: A:club:

fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.13, SB raises to $0.37, BB raises to $1.10, Hero raises to $2.78, SB raises to $13.80 and is all-in, fold, Hero calls $5.40 and is all-in

Flop: ($17.46, 2 players) J:club: 3:heart: 9:spade:

Turn: ($17.46, 2 players) 6:heart:

River: ($17.46, 2 players) 2:heart:

Hero shows K:club: A:club: (High Card, Ace)
(Pre 75%, Flop 18%, Turn 7%)
SB shows 9:club: A:heart: (One Pair, Nines)
(Pre 25%, Flop 82%, Turn 93%)
SB wins $16.59

Subtle bad beat post, lol but in all seriousness it isn't going good at all. These aggressive games have me playing like a station post flop and not wanting to believe anyone so I have to clean that part of my game up ASAP.

 

[Aces2w1n]

I still prefer to be the one shoving rather than calling.. lol at A9 its just unlucky.

but think if you flat pre.. your in position and if u have card edge . skill edge . positional advantage its going to be really good for u...

shoving pre or raising is taking away all ur edges ... so raising ur doin ur opponent a favour.

But if they spaz out like this and react bad to preflop aggression this is a good thing. But its a high variance play but u seem to have a stricter brm these days .. so its a win win either way you go . short term variance can be a b**ch

 

[tbdbitl]

You seem to be a winning player. Why waste time playing for cheeseburgers.

This is what usually will destroy a bankroll. Even though a player may be better than the stakes he is playing, it is sometimes what the BR allows. One downswing can kill your roll if you are playing beyond it.

 

[Aces2w1n]

This is what usually will destroy a Bankroll. Even though a player may be better than the stakes he is playing, it is sometimes what the BR allows. One downswing can kill your roll if you are playing beyond it.

+1

 

[IPlay]

I can get behind that Aces

 

[IPlay]

Well boys, I wish I had some good news to share but it is looking pretty grim over here. The only positive is that I have been putting in a lot of effort off the tables and still getting a solid 1.5-3k hands a night in and I feel like my game is improving tons. I keep barely hanging in there and as soon as I start getting in the green on I crash and burn a few buy ins in what seems a few hands. All in all though I am pretty confident I can beat up to 25NL on ACR but I just need to patch up some leaks and work on adjusting properly to villains which I feel is my biggest leak. The lagtards are putting me on mega tilt sometimes, which isn't good.

Vast majority of these hands are 10NL.

Here is a hand vs one of the more troublesome LAGs. An important stat is that he 3bets 10% from the blinds. 51AFq

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (UTG): $10.00
CO: $9.57 (VPIP: 27.00, PFR: 17.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 106)
BTN: $22.95 (VPIP: 21.80, PFR: 13.53, 3Bet Preflop: 2.13, Hands: 138)
SB: $17.28 (VPIP: 24.03, PFR: 19.65, 3Bet Preflop: 10.20, Hands: 1,909)
BB: $10.15 (VPIP: 24.59, PFR: 16.43, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 436)

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has A:spade: 8:spade:

Hero raises to $0.30, fold, fold, SB calls $0.25, fold

Flop: ($0.70, 2 players) A:club: 8:diamond: J:club:
SB checks, Hero bets $0.50, SB calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.70, 2 players) K:spade:
SB checks, Hero bets $1.10, SB calls $1.10

River: ($3.90, 2 players) 3:spade:
SB checks, Hero bets $2.60, SB raises to $15.38 and is all-in, HERO ???

I strongly believe villain would 3Bet AJ/AK from the blinds, especially against me because I think he 3 bets me more than others. So between villain possibly overvaluing a hand like KJ/A3s and possible bluffs should I call river?

 

[Beanfacekilla]

Well boys, I wish I had some good news to share but it is looking pretty grim over here. The only positive is that I have been putting in a lot of effort off the tables and still getting a solid 1.5-3k hands a night in and I feel like my game is improving tons. I keep barely hanging in there and as soon as I start getting in the green on I crash and burn a few buy ins in what seems a few hands. All in all though I am pretty confident I can beat up to 25NL on ACR but I just need to patch up some leaks and work on adjusting properly to villains which I feel is my biggest leak. The lagtards are putting me on mega tilt sometimes, which isn't good.

Vast majority of these hands are 10NL.

Here is a hand vs one of the more troublesome LAGs. An important stat is that he 3bets 10% from the blinds. 51AFq

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (UTG): $10.00
CO: $9.57 (VPIP: 27.00, PFR: 17.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 106)
BTN: $22.95 (VPIP: 21.80, PFR: 13.53, 3Bet Preflop: 2.13, Hands: 138)
SB: $17.28 (VPIP: 24.03, PFR: 19.65, 3Bet Preflop: 10.20, Hands: 1,909)
BB: $10.15 (VPIP: 24.59, PFR: 16.43, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 436)

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has A<font color='black'>♠</font> 8<font color='black'>♠</font>

Hero raises to $0.30, fold, fold, SB calls $0.25, fold

Flop: ($0.70, 2 players) A<font color='black'>♣</font> 8<font color='red'>♦</font> J<font color='black'>♣</font>
SB checks, Hero bets $0.50, SB calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.70, 2 players) K<font color='black'>♠</font>
SB checks, Hero bets $1.10, SB calls $1.10

River: ($3.90, 2 players) 3<font color='black'>♠</font>
SB checks, Hero bets $2.60, SB raises to $15.38 and is all-in, HERO ???

I strongly believe villain would 3Bet AJ/AK from the blinds, especially against me because I think he 3 bets me more than others. So between villain possibly overvaluing a hand like KJ/A3s and possible bluffs should I call river?

K-J and A-3 are pretty optimistic. I fold there. I bet/bet/bet, and fold as played. Sometimes we gotta fold the best hand, but I don't think we're gonna be good here often enough. Dude is swinging for the fence.

I don't know what he has, but it's better than your hand. He has better 2p or set I would imagine...

 

[Aces2w1n]

looks like qt... i cant put him on two pair or set

usually they lead though

 

[IPlay]

Looks like ACR is laggy/disconnecting often tonight so I'm going to take my first not off of playing in 2 weeks, still going to put in a little work off the tables though. I bought The Post Flop Engine from Doug Polks training site, Upswing Poker. Going to check it out tonight. From the reviews I have read my hopes are not too high but even if I get one little nugget of information, it will be a $7 well spent.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

Looks like ACR is laggy/disconnecting often tonight so I'm going to take my first not off of playing in 2 weeks, still going to put in a little work off the tables though. I bought The Post Flop Engine from Doug Polks training site, Upswing Poker. Going to check it out tonight. From the reviews I have read my hopes are not too high but even if I get one little nugget of information, it will be a $7 well spent.

One of my friends has a membership to upswing Poker. He let me check it out. It was pretty helpful, so I have nothing bad to say about it. I use the hand categories in real time often.


So I think you might be happy with the postflop engine.

 

[IPlay]

One of my friends has a membership to upswing Poker. He let me check it out. It was pretty helpful, so I have nothing bad to say about it. I use the hand categories in real time often.


So I think you might be happy with the postflop engine.

I did, well worth $7.
"The idea is to pick hands that make sense as bluffs. If the board is [K*Q*6*][9][8] and you held [A2] and the action checked all the way down to you, there is a very good chance your hand is not good. Your opponent would likely play [22-55, 6x, or a better ace high] for a check three times. Your hand will either chop the pot or lose at showdown. Bluffing with [A2] makes sense as its purpose is to fold out stronger hands that would beat it at showdown."

I will be looking to work this into my game more, usually I just check it down and hope and I often lose to those exact hands that probably would have folded to a 1/2 pot river bet.

Oh, and I'm finally in the green on ACR, for the moment.... Happened shortly after checking out the PFE. Coincidence? I think not. Haha, still -1bb/100 in terms of bbs

 

[IPlay]

Finally made some good hands tonight and got to trap some of the super aggros.


Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): $45.35
UTG: $12.14 (VPIP: 20.95, PFR: 17.57, 3Bet Preflop: 6.90, Hands: 151)
MP: $38.00 (VPIP: 30.28, PFR: 20.18, 3Bet Preflop: 10.64, Hands: 112)
CO: $5.23 (VPIP: 45.33, PFR: 12.00, 3Bet Preflop: 2.94, Hands: 79)
BTN: $30.99 (VPIP: 27.88, PFR: 21.95, 3Bet Preflop: 8.55, Hands: 1,612)
SB: $24.25 (VPIP: 23.19, PFR: 15.94, 3Bet Preflop: 3.23, Hands: 69)

SB posts SB $0.10, Hero posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has 2:spade: A:spade:

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.50, SB calls $0.40, Hero calls $0.25

Flop: ($1.50, 3 players) 2:diamond: A:club: K:spade:
SB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $0.71, SB calls $0.71, Hero calls $0.71

Turn: ($3.63, 3 players) Q:diamond:
SB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $1.72, fold, Hero calls $1.72

River: ($7.07, 2 players) 2:heart:
Hero checks, BTN bets $6.72, Hero raises to $42.42 and is all-in, fold

Hero wins $19.49

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): $53.24
UTG: $40.98 (VPIP: 26.38, PFR: 18.90, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 262)
CO: $26.43 (VPIP: 14.56, PFR: 12.26, 3Bet Preflop: 1.89, Hands: 268)
BTN: $25.00 (VPIP: 28.17, PFR: 22.18, 3Bet Preflop: 8.48, Hands: 1,978)
SB: $37.40 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 15.71, 3Bet Preflop: 4.84, Hands: 140)

SB posts SB $0.10, Hero posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has 8:heart: Q:heart:

UTG raises to $0.75, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.50

Flop: ($1.60, 2 players) 4:club: 9:heart: Q:spade:
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.76, Hero calls $0.76

Turn: ($3.12, 2 players) 2:heart:
Hero checks, UTG bets $1.98, Hero calls $1.98

River: ($7.08, 2 players) 5:heart:
Hero checks, UTG bets $4.48, Hero raises to $16.35, UTG calls $11.87

Hero shows 8:heart: Q:heart: (Flush, Queen High)

Hero wins $37.80

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $26.61 (VPIP: 28.18, PFR: 22.27, 3Bet Preflop: 8.62, Hands: 2,093)
Hero (BTN): $47.56
SB: $40.58 (VPIP: 26.67, PFR: 19.67, 3Bet Preflop: 10.26, Hands: 309)
BB: $27.45 (VPIP: 24.92, PFR: 20.13, 3Bet Preflop: 8.77, Hands: 322)
UTG: $27.18 (VPIP: 15.85, PFR: 12.39, 3Bet Preflop: 4.03, Hands: 357)

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has J:diamond: Q:diamond:

fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.75, SB calls $0.65, fold

Flop: ($1.75, 2 players) T:spade: A:heart: 9:diamond:
SB checks, Hero bets $1.00, SB calls $1.00

Turn: ($3.75, 2 players) K:club:
SB checks, Hero bets $2.25, SB calls $2.25

River: ($8.25, 2 players) 8:diamond:
SB bets $5.22, Hero raises to $16.65, SB calls $11.43

Hero shows J:diamond: Q:diamond: (Straight, Ace High)

Hero wins $39.48

Last hand is a little more straightforward, same villain as hand 2. I think I got a little greedy on the first hand but we have played a lot together the last few nights and have played some big pots.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

Nice! Glad to hear things are looking up for you!


I had a downswing recently as well, about $4- $5k, playing $500 NLHE live ($2/$5). It can be super duper tough when everything just backfires, everyone just gets there, sucks out, showing up to build pots for people to hit flushes, etc.


I am running much better now as well. We comin' up now.

 

[IPlay]

My God it absolutely blows my mind how good the fish run on ACR. Absolutely mind blowing. 10% equity is basically 50% for them. Sorry, had to make a rant post. I just don't understand how I can get coolered by a 35% range soooo often. Also how the people 3 betting 10% always seem to have AA. Unreal

 

[rhombus]

My God it absolutely blows my mind how good the fish run on ACR. Absolutely mind blowing. 10% equity is basically 50% for them. Sorry, had to make a rant post. I just don't understand how I can get coolered by a 35% range soooo often. Also how the people 3 betting 10% always seem to have AA. Unreal

Maybe they bought the button in the ACR store which gives you AA every 22 hands

 

[Beanfacekilla]

My God it absolutely blows my mind how good the fish run on ACR. Absolutely mind blowing. 10% equity is basically 50% for them. Sorry, had to make a rant post. I just don't understand how I can get coolered by a 35% range soooo often. Also how the people 3 betting 10% always seem to have AA. Unreal

The fishes have to win the monies to keep playing.


As for 3b at micro stakes, yeah they just have it usually don't they? I thought they rarely 3b without QQ+? It's debatable I suppose....


Run better dude. Just smash everything and wipe tables out.

 

[Aces2w1n]

I find 4bets is generally that AA, excluding midstackers.
I think stealing really increases the %

 

[IPlay]

Ohhhh, how much Rhombus?

And Bean that was pretty much the case on Bovada but far from the case on ACR.

This is the average player stats over 50k hands.

Vpip/PFR 27/18
3B 7.5
3B steal 10
4B 5.4
AFq 50
Float 50

Have even seen some of the LAG regs 5 bet bluff shove A5s which is a pretty respectable hand to bluff with if you are going to.

 

[Beanfacekilla]

Ohhhh, how much Rhombus?

And Bean that was pretty much the case on Bovada but far from the case on ACR.

This is the average player stats over 50k hands.

Vpip/PFR 27/18
3B 7.5
3B steal 10
4B 5.4
AFq 50
Float 50

Have even seen some of the LAG regs 5 bet bluff shove A5s which is a pretty respectable hand to bluff with if you are going to.

Fair enough.... I don't play online much, just live. I'm a bit out of touch with the online scene...

 

[IPlay]

Villain is one of the bad/fishy lags. He does have ~75% fold to 3b so I flat pre to keep his range wide.

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 133.28 BB (VPIP: 26.42, PFR: 21.83, 3Bet Preflop: 12.95, Hands: 381)
CO: 290.72 BB (VPIP: 28.18, PFR: 22.41, 3Bet Preflop: 8.49, Hands: 2,812)
Hero (BTN): 185.76 BB
SB: 145.92 BB (VPIP: 25.37, PFR: 17.66, 3Bet Preflop: 1.59, Hands: 350)
BB: 147.16 BB (VPIP: 23.67, PFR: 19.03, 3Bet Preflop: 5.06, Hands: 468)
UTG: 115.84 BB (VPIP: 27.95, PFR: 20.09, 3Bet Preflop: 10.87, Hands: 239)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has J:spade: J:club:

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 3 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (7.4 BB, 2 players) 2:spade: 8:diamond: 7:spade:
UTG bets 4.68 BB, Hero raises to 14 BB, UTG calls 9.32 BB

Turn: (35.4 BB, 2 players) 8:club:
UTG checks, Hero bets 22.4 BB, UTG calls 22.4 BB

River: (80.2 BB, 2 players) 7:club:
UTG bets 76.44 BB and is all-in, HERO ???

Same villain

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 47.84 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 3.70, Hands: 62)
UTG: 302.28 BB (VPIP: 28.32, PFR: 22.57, 3Bet Preflop: 8.62, Hands: 2,870)
Hero (MP): 111.96 BB
CO: 134.36 BB (VPIP: 24.94, PFR: 18.11, 3Bet Preflop: 2.07, Hands: 408)
BTN: 130.24 BB (VPIP: 24.21, PFR: 18.50, 3Bet Preflop: 4.43, Hands: 526)
SB: 255.84 BB (VPIP: 27.62, PFR: 18.53, 3Bet Preflop: 8.47, Hands: 297)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has J:club: K:diamond:

fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 2.6 BB, fold

Flop: (7 BB, 2 players) Q:spade: Q:heart: 8:spade:
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (7 BB, 2 players) K:heart:
SB bets 6 BB, Hero calls 6 BB

River: (19 BB, 2 players) J:spade:
SB bets 20 BB, HERO ???