Moving on up, Cash Game Thread

[Beanfacekilla]

Villain in this hand seemed like a meh live player. First time playing with him and for only about an hour. Only significant hand I saw was he limped UTG with JJ and stacked two people who called his river shove with trips on a 5T5Jx board. River shove was about $250 effective.

Villain limps
HERO Raises $15 with 7h7c($400 eff)
1 player calls, villain calls.

Flop 2hJc7d ($48)

Villain checks
HERO Bets $20
Other player calls
Villain raises $100
HERO calls
Other Folds

Turn 9h ($268)
Villain Jams $285
HERO snap calls
Villain sighs and says he just has a J and I'm like awesome, he is drawing dead in a $850 pot!!

River 6h($838)

Villain shows QhJh and scoops

So thats twice in the past week I GII as a 80% favorite in $1k pots and lost. Ugggghhh, first one was easy to shake off but this one hurt. I left the game right after(Game wasn't great anyway) I was playing well though and got a few bluffs through and some decent value in spots other would not have.

Luckily I don't tilt playing live like I do online since the beats are so spread apart. I am pretty confident I can crush this game for upwards of $20/hour as long as my bank roll survives. I mean, just look at villains hands in the 2 big pots I have lost. People don't hesitate to call off 2 buy ins with weak holdings.

I had a month where I lost probably 10 spots 75%+ favorites. This was at 2/5 too. Literally thousands of dollars below EV.


If you play poker, get used to that stuff. Can't let it tilt you or get to you. I'd be lying if I said it doesn't get to me, but I'm working on it.

 

[IPlay]

Yeah it's whatever, just sharing a big pot that annoyed me. I'll share a big pot going my way when I get onr

 

[braveslice]

Huge pots, I like it =)

 

[Jillychemung]

Just a bad beat, I'll take these kind of hands all day!!

 

[IPlay]

Yeah this game at the Casino has been great lately and plays more like 2/5 most of the time. It is 1/2 with a 400 cap and a good chunk of the pool buys in for that. Also if everyone agrees there is button straddles up to any amount and when stacks are deep there will be 2-3 people straddling 10-15 on the button. I personally buy in for $200 and never straddle and am really not a big fan of button straddles in general but the game is good enough for me to deal with it. Game is good enough that I lost the two biggest pots I've played in the last 50 hours and still have a good winrate. I'll be going back Friday and will try and get some hands.

 

[IPlay]

How many hours a month do you guys play? Do people actually keep track of tips/factor it into win rate? Anything else you factor in?

 

[Aces2w1n]

I play between 50-60hrs a month roughly

 

[braveslice]

10 hrs quite sharp. Imo winrate should be pure number, a skill number, no extra added or subtracted.

 

[Aces2w1n]

Everything factors into everything tbh

 

[Beanfacekilla]

How many hours a month do you guys play? Do people actually keep track of tips/factor it into win rate? Anything else you factor in?

I play 140-160 hours/month live poker. I don't factor in tips. I don't tip that much though, it eats the win rate. The most they get is $2 per hand, but mostly just $1 or nothing if pot is small. If they ship me $2k pot, maybe $5, but that happens so rarely, I dont even think about it hardly ever.

 

[Jillychemung]

How many hours a month do you guys play? Do people actually keep track of tips/factor it into win rate? Anything else you factor in?

I play ~50 hours a month.

For expenses I record anything I spend that comes from my pocket. So seat rental, dealer tips, waitress tips & staff tips do not get recorded. For trips where I do both poker and social gaming, I apportion my expenses based on my estimate of time spent on each, ie 2/3 of the trip was poker and 1/3 was Let It Ride so 2/3 of total expenses will be recorded among my poker sessions for the trip. And if I have multiple sessions, I proportion the expenses based on how many hours I play for each session, ie 16 hours tournament, 8 hours cash, tournament sessions would get 2/3 of poker expenses and cash sessions would get 1/3 of poker expenses. For tournaments, I do not factor out the rake charged, ie a tournament may be listed as $100+$20 fee +$5 dealer toke for $125 total, I record $125 as the buy-n and not $100 that goes to prize pool.

For my local card club that is literally down the street, I don't record anything for transportation. For my trips to the casino 10min away, I have a flat expense of $5 for transportation. Anything longer, I fill up before I go and fill up when I return and record that amount, any snacks I've bought for the trip, etc.

My PokerCharts report/graph show my win rates as both gross and net after expenses.

 

[IPlay]

Why do you record all that Jilly? Taxes?

I have been playing a little less than I like and every big hand I play I GII good and loose so they are not really post worthy.

Here is a fun one though that I am sure you guys will hate.

Villain is a 25ish white male, pretty snug but is capable of making moves. One day he check/raised me on a A57r flop with 22 and binked a set on the river when I called down with A5.

He probably views me close to how I view him.

EFF. stacks $350

Villain raises $12 UTG+1, 1 call, hero calls and BB calls

HERO Has

Flop ($45)

Villain bets $25, 1 fold, hero calls BB folds.

Turn ($95)

Villain bets $60
Hero makes it $140

Villain folds ATo face up while declaring my set is good.

IMO, awful fold by villain because I could have worse hands that I raise for value on the turn. So even if I am never bluffing I still think ATo should call turn and call off on river. Sick line by me tho.

There is supposed to be a pretty big game going down at the card room tonight. Either 1/2 uncapped with a straddle or what I assume is a good sized 2/5 game so I may take a shot if I see enough weak players. It already sounds like it will be good enough to sit though so I'll probably lose half my roll or triple it. I'll update you guys on the gamble but expect good news because.... well.... I'm due.

Oh and I just got a PS4 with the new CoD and the MW remake. Anyone down to play? I'll probably be getting GTA 5 and Madden in the future too. Maybe Fifa. IDK

 

[Beanfacekilla]

You should have got Xbox One. Ps4, meh.


10-9s: lol.


I guess you knew the opponent? I can't believe dude would ever fold top 2. Nice bluff. Not necessary to beat that game. High variance. Don't do that often.

 

[IPlay]

Uggh, I know Bean but I saw a 500gb PS4 with both games for $250 and couldn't pass up the deal. I have been debating on buying a console for like 3 years now and finally pulled the trigger. And the big game never happened and the rumor of it brought out a bunch of solid players. For the 1st time ever in a live 1/2 game I felt like there was easily multiple players that were better than me at the table. They were the local regs that usually travel around the midwest in search of good 2/5 games so I only play with them occasionally. Never all at once like this night though. Still managed to profit +$329

Yes I knew villain, we have some history together. This is like a once a month bluff, if that. Regs always fold top pair to my sets in these spots so I figured I should start bluffing in these spots. Majority of the time I'm not even calling a $12 open with 109ss.

Villain is a fishy rec player that has complained about bad beats, including his main event bad beat story the entire time. Not much of a read on his game but it is evident he is a rec. 40 something white guy

Eff. Stacks $175ish

Hero has

Folds to Hero in CO, raises to $10
Villain calls on BTN, BB calls.

Flop ($31)

BB checks, hero checks, villain checks

Turn ($31)

BB Checks, hero checks Villain bets $25
BB Folds, Hero Calls

River Ad ($81)

Hero Checks
Villain bets $40
Hero jams for ~$100 more

 

[braveslice]

I almost bought PS4 to get horizon zero dawn =)

 

[Beanfacekilla]

Uggh, I know Bean but I saw a 500gb PS4 with both games for $250 and couldn't pass up the deal. I have been debating on buying a console for like 3 years now and finally pulled the trigger. And the big game never happened and the rumor of it brought out a bunch of solid players. For the 1st time ever in a live 1/2 game I felt like there was easily multiple players that were better than me at the table. They were the local regs that usually travel around the midwest in search of good 2/5 games so I only play with them occasionally. Never all at once like this night though. Still managed to profit +$329

Yes I knew villain, we have some history together. This is like a once a month bluff, if that. Regs always fold top pair to my sets in these spots so I figured I should start bluffing in these spots. Majority of the time I'm not even calling a $12 open with 109ss.

Villain is a fishy rec player that has complained about bad beats, including his main event bad beat story the entire time. Not much of a read on his game but it is evident he is a rec. 40 something white guy

Eff. Stacks $175ish

Hero has

Folds to Hero in CO, raises to $10
Villain calls on BTN, BB calls.

Flop ($31)

BB checks, hero checks, villain checks

Turn ($31)

BB Checks, hero checks Villain bets $25
BB Folds, Hero Calls

River Ad ($81)

Hero Checks
Villain bets $40
Hero jams for ~$100 more

Bet the turn as played. River I hate this C/R. It's like we are blocking A-X, don't think he ever folds a flush here, maybe because of fear of bad beats, but I just bet turn, and bet/fold river prob.

 

[IPlay]

Agree'd with betting the turn Bean. I checked somewhat fast on the flop when I had gave up on the hand so I continued that story. Not saying it was right, because it wasn't but it was my thought process. I checked because I didn't want to tank. Maybe I should wait a few seconds before checking my give ups to prevent this but I don't wanna be that guy. What is your guys opinion on this?

What range do you put villain on when he flats my open pre, checks back flop on BTN and then bets on an A turn. I put a lot of Ax in his range and discount flush draws some of the time because checking back flop and betting this turn is a weird bluff. He could also have turned a A BDFD and missed. The worst part of this is the awkward stack size. I think a little shorter it is an easy jam AP but a little deeper an easy call. I think flatting or jamming is fine.

Regardless, bet turn. Balance give up checks??

 

[braveslice]

Abandoning dark side soon? Ever?

 

[IPlay]

Abandoning dark side soon? Ever?

wut

 

[braveslice]

wut

Any plans to play internet poker?

 

[IPlay]

Any plans to play internet poker?

Well I play about 100 hands a week on ACR with my $30 balance but really just have no interest in playing lately. Thinking about making a deposit on ACR or Bovada but I just feel like, whats the point because I have broke even for awhile. I'll probably wait till closer to the end of summer to decide and will probably sign up for Upswing if I do. My live roll is getting pretty decent despite some run bad and I may head to Vegas for a couple weeks during the wsop to play some cash games.

All in all I have been questioning playing poker lately and not sure if it is worth the mental struggle to play on a regular basis. I think I will always frequent a room once or twice a month but not sure if I will ever play daily again. I do think I am still a winning player but I also recently went on a $3k downswing after losing 8 all ins in a row as a favorite live. So **** it. I need to start focusing on more important/consistent things in life for the long term of my future.

 

[Figaroo2]

Well I play about 100 hands a week on ACR with my $30 balance but really just have no interest in playing lately. Thinking about making a deposit on ACR or Bovada but I just feel like, whats the point because I have broke even for awhile.
All in all I have been questioning playing poker lately and not sure if it is worth the mental struggle to play on a regular basis. I think I will always frequent a room once or twice a month but not sure if I will ever play daily again. I do think I am still a winning player but I also recently went on a $3k downswing after losing 8 all ins in a row as a favorite live. So **** it. I need to start focusing on more important/consistent things in life for the long term of my future.

I feel your pain, I'm sorry I never got signed into this thread i'm sure it would have been benefical for me.
I have also been on a prolonged downswing and it's killed my desire to play and I've thought about quitting as well. It looks like Aces2 has also hit the same wall.
How you deal with adversity in this game ultimately defines you as a player. I read stories of people who make it to the top of their professions and nearly all of them have significant set backs and just jump right back up again try again. If at first you don't suceed....
The "man in the arena" speech also comes to mind, look at how often the golfer Dustin Johnston lost in the majors before he finally got over the winning line and now he's crushing it. A lot of it is confidence, I'm having a break from volume play but I expect to be back and there's nothing wrong with taking a break. Good Luck.

 

[Masi2197]

Not counted the amount of hours I play what is that they are few because I work and I only have free 6 hours a day which means that I play between two hours a day because there days I do not play

 

[IPlay]

Yeah Fig but you also have to prioritize your life and Poker has dipped down on that scale for the summer. Between work, family, friends and personal development I really just don't have time except for in the mornings and live games don't run then and I feel like online is a pretty big waste of time and not worth the hassle for me. To much of a time dedication to make it to decent stakes.

With that said I think I have time to play live Friday night and I think I am going to. Also have Saturday off next week and have heard alot about a afternoon 2/5 game that is supposed to be pretty good that I may check out. Also, the poker room that I play at just opened last June and they are having their inaugural poker tournament on the anniversary for a $300 buy in that I may take a shot at.