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xdeucesx
Bar Master
Silver Level
QFT, nice try ducky.
OMGITSOVER9K
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
yeah I get that, I just don't get how I can 4b when I was 3bettor.. are you saying I would 3b/5b my low pairs or what?
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RamdeeBen
Legend
Silver Level
Oh wow, I'm so bad at reading posts at times or really should sleep or something so just ignore all my recent posts. lol, no idea how I managed to convince myself I 3B here IP and you was flatting OOP.
So yeah, flatting was obviously bad even IP and I agree 100% with Zachs post I should just be bluffing the river rather than betting turn as that was pretty bad.
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RamdeeBen
Legend
Silver Level
Interested in thoughts with the difference between 25nl/50nl on stars?
I've been grinding 25nl recently but because I turned a bit of profit after 41k hands I decided to put up two tables of 50nl along with my 25nl games as just a two buy-in shot. It went ok, I won about a buy-in after 1.5k games.
Now, small sample sizes I know but I played about 1.5k hands at 50nl and one thing that stood out instantly to me was there seems to be less dick swinging at 50nl. At 25nl it seems everyone is wanting to 3B/4B and even 5B bluff at times and are awfully aggressive post flop. By "everyone" I mean the regulars in the games. It seems like they don't want to be out done by anyone pre or post flop and they always end up in marginal spews spots tons. Not sure if 25nl is the "limit" where peoples aggression turns up and regs constantly want to do battle against each other and then it subsides at 50nl because the regs are becoming slightly more solid?
Regs at 25nl seem to want to always 3B there blinds or just try their best to out play you post flop and just barrel off regardless of thinking about hand ranges. Basically the games seemed a bit more aggressive at 25nl and I know that 1.5k hands at 50nl is nothing to go off but I'm talking about the regs in general at 25nl/50nl. I actually picked 2 50nl tables which had 4-5 regs and 1 fish just because I wanted to get an idea of how the regs played there and just seem the adaptations needed to play the limit. Of course there was some 3B's and the occasionally 4B but where as at 25nl when an aggressive reg 3B the blinds they would often not want to give up on the pot and double sometimes triple with air where at 50nl if you get a 3B steal attempt they don't seem to want to just blindly firing any boards for multiple streets because it seems they are actually thinking about the calling ranges. I just found 50nl regs being some what less aggressive and egotistically overall. The regs seems somewhat tighter and less spewy, but also at the same time I didn't notice much if any of a difference in terms of skill level between the 25nl regs other than 25nl being more aggressive. The regs seemed more solid in the sense they was less likely to flat 3B OOP and even IP at 50nl where as at 25nl the regs played either a very raise or fold game pre or on the flip side you had a lot of regs just flatting 3B's even OOP and going nuts post flop. Also found at 25nl regs would be just flat calling from the blinds with loads of marginal hands like suited connectors etc but I didn't see much of this at 50nl.
Maybe I just got lucky in the tables vs those particular regs I dunno.
Has anyone had the experience in the transition from 25nl-50nl on stars recently and their thoughts on regs in particular between both limits?
I've been grinding 25nl recently but because I turned a bit of profit after 41k hands I decided to put up two tables of 50nl along with my 25nl games as just a two buy-in shot. It went ok, I won about a buy-in after 1.5k games.
Now, small sample sizes I know but I played about 1.5k hands at 50nl and one thing that stood out instantly to me was there seems to be less dick swinging at 50nl. At 25nl it seems everyone is wanting to 3B/4B and even 5B bluff at times and are awfully aggressive post flop. By "everyone" I mean the regulars in the games. It seems like they don't want to be out done by anyone pre or post flop and they always end up in marginal spews spots tons. Not sure if 25nl is the "limit" where peoples aggression turns up and regs constantly want to do battle against each other and then it subsides at 50nl because the regs are becoming slightly more solid?
Regs at 25nl seem to want to always 3B there blinds or just try their best to out play you post flop and just barrel off regardless of thinking about hand ranges. Basically the games seemed a bit more aggressive at 25nl and I know that 1.5k hands at 50nl is nothing to go off but I'm talking about the regs in general at 25nl/50nl. I actually picked 2 50nl tables which had 4-5 regs and 1 fish just because I wanted to get an idea of how the regs played there and just seem the adaptations needed to play the limit. Of course there was some 3B's and the occasionally 4B but where as at 25nl when an aggressive reg 3B the blinds they would often not want to give up on the pot and double sometimes triple with air where at 50nl if you get a 3B steal attempt they don't seem to want to just blindly firing any boards for multiple streets because it seems they are actually thinking about the calling ranges. I just found 50nl regs being some what less aggressive and egotistically overall. The regs seems somewhat tighter and less spewy, but also at the same time I didn't notice much if any of a difference in terms of skill level between the 25nl regs other than 25nl being more aggressive. The regs seemed more solid in the sense they was less likely to flat 3B OOP and even IP at 50nl where as at 25nl the regs played either a very raise or fold game pre or on the flip side you had a lot of regs just flatting 3B's even OOP and going nuts post flop. Also found at 25nl regs would be just flat calling from the blinds with loads of marginal hands like suited connectors etc but I didn't see much of this at 50nl.
Maybe I just got lucky in the tables vs those particular regs I dunno.
Has anyone had the experience in the transition from 25nl-50nl on stars recently and their thoughts on regs in particular between both limits?
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RamdeeBen
Legend
Silver Level
Also can anyone look at my stats please and give me some pointers on areas I can improve. Urg, not sure how to make the screenshot any bigger, any ideas? My 4B pre flop seems to low like nearly always value hands by the looks of it along with fold to 3B being to high? Does this mean I should be 4B bluffing more? Based on my previous posts about how aggro regs are at the 25nl levels I'm not sure if even 4B bluffing is needed all that often but I just don't want to be exploited to much especially in LP/BVB steal spots.
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RamdeeBen
Legend
Silver Level
Ahh right, yeah not sure about the deep tables still only playing 25nl deep tables not trying 50nl deep yet.
Ahh right ok thanks.
duggs
Killing me softly
Silver Level
BenjiHustle
Legend
Silver Level
Russian insurgents/Pro-russian Ukrainian activists? The statements of the weapon used seemed pretty certain and it's strange to me that they can't figure out who it came from especially when their suggestions are that it's a Russian weapon that may have been provided to terrorist groups in Ukraine. Either way, it doesn't seem like Ukrainian military in any way, shape, or form.
Wow. I just hope that America can keep itself from making things worse, for once. This is going to get out of hand, it seems.
Matt Vaughan
King of Moody Rants
Bronze Level
How did I manage to go almost the whole month without remembering this thread?? Oh yeah... Just remembered I was in Vegas then started a job 
I might have to schedule a trip for the RNC
Level? Please tell me level.
Holy shit, ducky didn't get any nicer, what a surprise.
Wait shit, maybe he did - nicest thing ducky has said (or at least implied) to date!! Oh, no, wait, was a veiled insult. Saying it's softer and duggs plays it... Now I get it. Ducky confirmed still a dick.
Wait but there's a smiley... I'M ALL TURNED AROUND IS DUCKY NICE OR A DICK, SOMEONE HELP ME FIGURE IT OUT.
****.
No goals this month really. Job is eating my time (shocker) and the only poker room close enough to be worth going to is pretty terrible for cash. If my BR was like < 1k again I'd appreciate it because they run like $30 tourneys and lower, but it seems like they don't often get more than 2 games of 1/2 going at a time.
I might have to schedule a trip for the RNC
Level? Please tell me level.
how well did you really think it was gonna go....
Holy shit, ducky didn't get any nicer, what a surprise.
250BB play is softer for sure, its a lot less solved and much less info on it (however at higher limits the better regs are wayyyy better)
I mean Duggs plays it, doesnt that tell a story in itself
Wait shit, maybe he did - nicest thing ducky has said (or at least implied) to date!! Oh, no, wait, was a veiled insult. Saying it's softer and duggs plays it... Now I get it. Ducky confirmed still a dick.
Wait but there's a smiley... I'M ALL TURNED AROUND IS DUCKY NICE OR A DICK, SOMEONE HELP ME FIGURE IT OUT.
****.
No goals this month really. Job is eating my time (shocker) and the only poker room close enough to be worth going to is pretty terrible for cash. If my BR was like < 1k again I'd appreciate it because they run like $30 tourneys and lower, but it seems like they don't often get more than 2 games of 1/2 going at a time.
Jillychemung
Stacks & Stacks
Loyaler
Sounds like my local club these days
I'm reduced to playing silly $3/$6 LO8 one night of the week and making the 2hr drive down to MS@PD on Fridays. Our tournaments rarely get 2 full tables 
BenjiHustle
Legend
Silver Level
Ducky, will you be mine? I need someone to make bath time lots of fun.
Just got my BR transferred. Made a couple buy-ins, but couldn't get PT4 to work so I cut out after 100 hands or so and have no data to show for it. Definitely not making goals this month.
Just got my BR transferred. Made a couple buy-ins, but couldn't get PT4 to work so I cut out after 100 hands or so and have no data to show for it. Definitely not making goals this month.
Logan2
Legend
Silver Level
@ram stats
Mostly look solid, only that jump.
Fold to 3b on BTN: 80 looks kind of high considering will be on position (compared to CO that is 66 and 64 on MP)
Fold to steal on SB: 82 looks high
Gap on BB 25/8 could be lower.
Mostly look solid, only that jump.
Fold to 3b on BTN: 80 looks kind of high considering will be on position (compared to CO that is 66 and 64 on MP)
Fold to steal on SB: 82 looks high
Gap on BB 25/8 could be lower.
Matt Vaughan
King of Moody Rants
Bronze Level
You know I just miss you and have to fire the needle-cannon obvz.
Can someone remind me how to play poker and also gaf about playing shitty spots correctly?
BenjiHustle
Legend
Silver Level
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RamdeeBen
Legend
Silver Level
god dam I suck at the cash pokers! Always ends in disaster. Not sure why I can't handle many swings in cash games, when you consider I'm used to MTT and hyper turbo game swings being far worse just with cash games it seems much more difficult.
I think it comes down to I'm pretty confident in my MTT and SnG games so it doesn't effect me much but cash games I really need some help lol. Overall I think I have been playing ok, haven't tilted just tons of setups, cold decks and running over pairs in 3B/4B pots and having aggro players check raise me all in and me paying them off whilst they have sets obviously.
Question, I find it quite common to see check raises or just people raising CB on either dry or wet boards and when I've got a marginal hand like say TJo and flop comes down T46 I CB and get raised...not sure if I should be just calling or what. I never feel comfortable calling a turn bet or even river bet. So many leaks.
I lost like 5 buy-ins yesterday, which obviously isn't much in the grand scheme of things but lost most at 50nl so I've now had to remove 50nl and stick to 25nl.
Here are two big pots I lost at 50nl, this first hand is vs a tight regular. Now, not sure about my line. I wanted to look like I was ISO raising the weak limper so wanted to look weak and was going to go for a x/r on the flop but he didn't oblige so I elect to bet the turn for value. When he calls pre flop I'm thinking he might have hands like 99-JJ, maybe some suited connecter hands but that seems a bit optimist calling my raise pre and probably just wants to get in hands like AK/KK+ in pre flop.
I don't expect to see many calls for my raise size pre with many pocket pairs so when he actually flats my turn raise I put his range on 99-JJ specifically. Is this bad? I actually shoved the river for value thinking he's calling TT-JJ I know I'm targeting a very small range of hands but didn't expect to see sets here much. I just don't expect regs to call here with low/medium pocket pairs, it seems bad..myabe not because he owned me.
Thoughts on my line?
PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
BB: $50.00
UTG: $29.66 (VPIP: 75.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
CO: $50.00 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
BTN: $53.86 (VPIP: 18.75, PFR: 15.63, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 33)
Hero (SB): $72.26
Hero posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50
Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has Q:spade: Q:diamond:
UTG calls $0.50, CO raises to $2.00, BTN calls $2.00, Hero raises to $8.50, fold, fold, fold, BTN calls $6.50
Flop: ($20.00, 2 players) 8:spade: 4:heart: 7:diamond:
Hero checks, BTN checks
Turn: ($20.00, 2 players) 2:heart:
Hero bets $16.00, BTN calls $16.00
River: ($52.00, 2 players) 9:diamond:
Hero bets $47.76 and is all-in, BTN calls $29.36 and is all-in
Hero shows Q:spade: Q:diamond: (One Pair, Queens) (Pre 81%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)
BTN shows 8:club: 8:diamond: (Three of a Kind, Eights) (Pre 19%, Flop 91%, Turn 95%)
BTN wins $108.22
Next hand is vs an aggro reg. He loved to raise CB's especially on dry boards. Goddam I felt I was owned here but I honestly felt I could click it back and have him spazz off with worse hands and draws as I don't rep a ton either. I expected to see worse pairs, semi bluffs and complete bluffs and I find a click back would get the most spew given I don't rep much either! I never expected him to ever have 55 or 8x here given I'm UTG and he's MP and would make zero sense raising those hands unless he's thinking on a level where I might know this I don't bloody know. I guess I should just call the flop and let him bet the turn? I really didn't expect him to be flatting QQ here pre. Anyway, I was owned..thoughts on my line?
PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
CO: $38.77 (VPIP: 35.29, PFR: 13.73, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 51)
BTN: $30.61 (VPIP: 47.06, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 52)
SB: $39.23 (VPIP: 35.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 61)
BB: $58.71 (VPIP: 16.51, PFR: 15.60, 3Bet Preflop: 12.90, Hands: 114)
Hero (UTG): $70.10
MP: $54.51 (VPIP: 29.52, PFR: 27.62, 3Bet Preflop: 11.76, Hands: 110)
SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50
Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has J:diamond: J:club:
Hero raises to $1.50, MP calls $1.50, fold, fold, fold, fold
Flop: ($3.75, 2 players) 8:spade: 5:diamond: 8:diamond:
Hero bets $2.00, MP raises to $6.00, Hero raises to $14.00, MP raises to $53.01 and is all-in, Hero calls $39.01
Turn: ($109.77, 2 players) 3:club:
River: ($109.77, 2 players) T:spade:
Players agreed to run it twice.
Turn #2: ($109.77, 2 players) K:club:
River #2: ($109.77, 2 players) 4:club:
Hero shows J:diamond: J:club: (Two Pair, Jacks and Eights)Board #1 (Pre 17%, Flop 8%, Turn 5%)Board #2 (Pre 17%, Flop 8%, Turn 5%)
MP shows Q:diamond: Q:club: (Two Pair, Queens and Eights)Board #1 (Pre 83%, Flop 92%, Turn 95%)Board #2 (Pre 83%, Flop 92%, Turn 95%)
MP wins $53.64
MP wins $53.63
So basically on both hands I thought I was betting for value but seems I got owned in both spots...
I think it comes down to I'm pretty confident in my MTT and SnG games so it doesn't effect me much but cash games I really need some help lol. Overall I think I have been playing ok, haven't tilted just tons of setups, cold decks and running over pairs in 3B/4B pots and having aggro players check raise me all in and me paying them off whilst they have sets obviously.
Question, I find it quite common to see check raises or just people raising CB on either dry or wet boards and when I've got a marginal hand like say TJo and flop comes down T46 I CB and get raised...not sure if I should be just calling or what. I never feel comfortable calling a turn bet or even river bet. So many leaks.
I lost like 5 buy-ins yesterday, which obviously isn't much in the grand scheme of things but lost most at 50nl so I've now had to remove 50nl and stick to 25nl.
Here are two big pots I lost at 50nl, this first hand is vs a tight regular. Now, not sure about my line. I wanted to look like I was ISO raising the weak limper so wanted to look weak and was going to go for a x/r on the flop but he didn't oblige so I elect to bet the turn for value. When he calls pre flop I'm thinking he might have hands like 99-JJ, maybe some suited connecter hands but that seems a bit optimist calling my raise pre and probably just wants to get in hands like AK/KK+ in pre flop.
I don't expect to see many calls for my raise size pre with many pocket pairs so when he actually flats my turn raise I put his range on 99-JJ specifically. Is this bad? I actually shoved the river for value thinking he's calling TT-JJ I know I'm targeting a very small range of hands but didn't expect to see sets here much. I just don't expect regs to call here with low/medium pocket pairs, it seems bad..myabe not because he owned me.
Thoughts on my line?
PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
BB: $50.00
UTG: $29.66 (VPIP: 75.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
CO: $50.00 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
BTN: $53.86 (VPIP: 18.75, PFR: 15.63, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 33)
Hero (SB): $72.26
Hero posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50
Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has Q:spade: Q:diamond:
UTG calls $0.50, CO raises to $2.00, BTN calls $2.00, Hero raises to $8.50, fold, fold, fold, BTN calls $6.50
Flop: ($20.00, 2 players) 8:spade: 4:heart: 7:diamond:
Hero checks, BTN checks
Turn: ($20.00, 2 players) 2:heart:
Hero bets $16.00, BTN calls $16.00
River: ($52.00, 2 players) 9:diamond:
Hero bets $47.76 and is all-in, BTN calls $29.36 and is all-in
Hero shows Q:spade: Q:diamond: (One Pair, Queens) (Pre 81%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)
BTN shows 8:club: 8:diamond: (Three of a Kind, Eights) (Pre 19%, Flop 91%, Turn 95%)
BTN wins $108.22
Next hand is vs an aggro reg. He loved to raise CB's especially on dry boards. Goddam I felt I was owned here but I honestly felt I could click it back and have him spazz off with worse hands and draws as I don't rep a ton either. I expected to see worse pairs, semi bluffs and complete bluffs and I find a click back would get the most spew given I don't rep much either! I never expected him to ever have 55 or 8x here given I'm UTG and he's MP and would make zero sense raising those hands unless he's thinking on a level where I might know this I don't bloody know. I guess I should just call the flop and let him bet the turn? I really didn't expect him to be flatting QQ here pre. Anyway, I was owned..thoughts on my line?
PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
CO: $38.77 (VPIP: 35.29, PFR: 13.73, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 51)
BTN: $30.61 (VPIP: 47.06, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 52)
SB: $39.23 (VPIP: 35.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 61)
BB: $58.71 (VPIP: 16.51, PFR: 15.60, 3Bet Preflop: 12.90, Hands: 114)
Hero (UTG): $70.10
MP: $54.51 (VPIP: 29.52, PFR: 27.62, 3Bet Preflop: 11.76, Hands: 110)
SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50
Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has J:diamond: J:club:
Hero raises to $1.50, MP calls $1.50, fold, fold, fold, fold
Flop: ($3.75, 2 players) 8:spade: 5:diamond: 8:diamond:
Hero bets $2.00, MP raises to $6.00, Hero raises to $14.00, MP raises to $53.01 and is all-in, Hero calls $39.01
Turn: ($109.77, 2 players) 3:club:
River: ($109.77, 2 players) T:spade:
Players agreed to run it twice.
Turn #2: ($109.77, 2 players) K:club:
River #2: ($109.77, 2 players) 4:club:
Hero shows J:diamond: J:club: (Two Pair, Jacks and Eights)Board #1 (Pre 17%, Flop 8%, Turn 5%)Board #2 (Pre 17%, Flop 8%, Turn 5%)
MP shows Q:diamond: Q:club: (Two Pair, Queens and Eights)Board #1 (Pre 83%, Flop 92%, Turn 95%)Board #2 (Pre 83%, Flop 92%, Turn 95%)
MP wins $53.64
MP wins $53.63
So basically on both hands I thought I was betting for value but seems I got owned in both spots...
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RamdeeBen
Legend
Silver Level
It's spots like this I'm struggling with along with other parts of my games. I feel pre flop is fine it's just when it comes to post flop really never know where I'm at in some spots or I'm just betting for value incorrectly like the ones above.
Like I say, down a total of $350 and now break-even on the month in table profit and up about $200 in rake back. Rakeback pro obviously.
This was yesterdays dismal performance. Good volume, bad results.
Really would love some coaching of someone before I spew my rolls. Still enjoying the cash games. I feel I can beat 25nl, 50nl seems ok but given the two spots above where I was owned..not sure if I should miss 50nl for a while. That said, I can't really play 50nl now with my BR so guess I need to try and win back $100 more from 25nl to shot take 2 more buy-ins at 50nl.
Also by the way, I'm just wondering how relevant is the actual EV line? Sure it makes sense to a degree...but then it doesn't either. Like, I can bet for value for 3 streets or go for super thin value on the river for what is likely going to be the best hand and find they river a better hand or turned a better hand what ever..so your EV line drops. QQ<88 is another example above, sure maybe I shouldn't be shoving but your EV line goes down. Who pays much attention to EV lines? Obviously pre flop it makes tons of sense just posts flop/turn and river especially being sucked out on rivers seems a bit annoying to count as -EV given you're nearly always priced in to call it off. It's annoying seeing your EV line drop and it makes me question more and more but I realise that it's just a bad run of cards on rivers which effect it for the most part but still can't help it effect me..
Like I say, down a total of $350 and now break-even on the month in table profit and up about $200 in rake back. Rakeback pro obviously.
This was yesterdays dismal performance. Good volume, bad results.
Really would love some coaching of someone before I spew my rolls. Still enjoying the cash games. I feel I can beat 25nl, 50nl seems ok but given the two spots above where I was owned..not sure if I should miss 50nl for a while. That said, I can't really play 50nl now with my BR so guess I need to try and win back $100 more from 25nl to shot take 2 more buy-ins at 50nl.
Also by the way, I'm just wondering how relevant is the actual EV line? Sure it makes sense to a degree...but then it doesn't either. Like, I can bet for value for 3 streets or go for super thin value on the river for what is likely going to be the best hand and find they river a better hand or turned a better hand what ever..so your EV line drops. QQ<88 is another example above, sure maybe I shouldn't be shoving but your EV line goes down. Who pays much attention to EV lines? Obviously pre flop it makes tons of sense just posts flop/turn and river especially being sucked out on rivers seems a bit annoying to count as -EV given you're nearly always priced in to call it off. It's annoying seeing your EV line drop and it makes me question more and more but I realise that it's just a bad run of cards on rivers which effect it for the most part but still can't help it effect me..
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