duggs
Killing me softly
Silver Level
not sure i agree, his calling range should be extremely elastic in that spot.
duggs
Killing me softly
Silver Level
sigh, 16nl went awfully. hardly any tables going, lost like 20bi, will post hands later. but just felt like nothing went my way, every time i flopped a set the guy check/folded. backdoor flush over backdoor flush, rivered 2pair after he floats my 4bet with 107.
duggs
Killing me softly
Silver Level
Hand A
3bet sizing is too small I know, overcalled is a 45/36 over 11 hands so virtually readless, are people 5betting pre? as played post flop?
PokerStars - $0.16 Ante $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3
CO: $18.93
BTN: $13.80
Hero (SB): $55.22
BB: $81.55
UTG: $37.72
MP: $16.00
Hero posts SB $0.08, BB posts BB $0.16, CO posts ante $0.04, BTN posts ante $0.04, Hero posts ante $0.04, BB posts ante $0.04, UTG posts ante $0.04, MP posts ante $0.04
Pre Flop: ($0.48) Hero has A:diamond: K:spade:
fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $1.44, Hero raises to $3.68, BB calls $3.52, BTN raises to $13.76 and is all-in, Hero calls $10.08, BB calls $10.08
Flop: ($41.52, 3 players) 3:heart: 9:spade: Q:spade:
Hero checks, BB checks
Turn: ($41.52, 3 players) 7:club:
Hero checks, BB checks
River: ($41.52, 3 players) 6:club:
Hero checks, BB bets $10.24, fold
3bet sizing is too small I know, overcalled is a 45/36 over 11 hands so virtually readless, are people 5betting pre? as played post flop?
PokerStars - $0.16 Ante $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3
CO: $18.93
BTN: $13.80
Hero (SB): $55.22
BB: $81.55
UTG: $37.72
MP: $16.00
Hero posts SB $0.08, BB posts BB $0.16, CO posts ante $0.04, BTN posts ante $0.04, Hero posts ante $0.04, BB posts ante $0.04, UTG posts ante $0.04, MP posts ante $0.04
Pre Flop: ($0.48) Hero has A:diamond: K:spade:
fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $1.44, Hero raises to $3.68, BB calls $3.52, BTN raises to $13.76 and is all-in, Hero calls $10.08, BB calls $10.08
Flop: ($41.52, 3 players) 3:heart: 9:spade: Q:spade:
Hero checks, BB checks
Turn: ($41.52, 3 players) 7:club:
Hero checks, BB checks
River: ($41.52, 3 players) 6:club:
Hero checks, BB bets $10.24, fold
duggs
Killing me softly
Silver Level
Hand B
Relative unknown,
3bet again needs to be bigger imo, but other than that thoughts on line? given his river sizing what should we do?
PokerStars - $0.16 Ante $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3
SB: $56.93
BB: $32.00
UTG: $92.88
MP: $18.46
CO: $42.11
Hero (BTN): $143.15
SB posts SB $0.08, BB posts BB $0.16, SB posts ante $0.04, BB posts ante $0.04, UTG posts ante $0.04, MP posts ante $0.04, CO posts ante $0.04, Hero posts ante $0.04
Pre Flop: ($0.48) Hero has A:heart: K:heart:
UTG calls $0.16, MP raises to $0.64, fold, Hero raises to $1.76, fold, fold, UTG calls $1.60, MP calls $1.12
Flop: ($5.76, 3 players) T:heart: 7:spade: 2:heart:
UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets $3.96, UTG raises to $7.92, fold, Hero calls $3.96
Turn: ($21.60, 2 players) 7:diamond:
UTG bets $16.48, Hero calls $16.48
River: ($54.56, 2 players) 2:diamond:
UTG bets $13.12, Hero ?????,
Relative unknown,
3bet again needs to be bigger imo, but other than that thoughts on line? given his river sizing what should we do?
PokerStars - $0.16 Ante $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3
SB: $56.93
BB: $32.00
UTG: $92.88
MP: $18.46
CO: $42.11
Hero (BTN): $143.15
SB posts SB $0.08, BB posts BB $0.16, SB posts ante $0.04, BB posts ante $0.04, UTG posts ante $0.04, MP posts ante $0.04, CO posts ante $0.04, Hero posts ante $0.04
Pre Flop: ($0.48) Hero has A:heart: K:heart:
UTG calls $0.16, MP raises to $0.64, fold, Hero raises to $1.76, fold, fold, UTG calls $1.60, MP calls $1.12
Flop: ($5.76, 3 players) T:heart: 7:spade: 2:heart:
UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets $3.96, UTG raises to $7.92, fold, Hero calls $3.96
Turn: ($21.60, 2 players) 7:diamond:
UTG bets $16.48, Hero calls $16.48
River: ($54.56, 2 players) 2:diamond:
UTG bets $13.12, Hero ?????,
duggs
Killing me softly
Silver Level
Hand C
are people c/c or donking this flop, or are people c/r/c or c/r/gii?
PokerStars - $0.16 Ante $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3
CO: $29.76
BTN: $51.47
SB: $17.20
Hero (BB): $43.01
UTG: $34.83
SB posts SB $0.08, Hero posts BB $0.16, CO posts ante $0.04, BTN posts ante $0.04, SB posts ante $0.04, Hero posts ante $0.04, UTG posts ante $0.04
Pre Flop: ($0.44) Hero has 8:heart: J:heart:
fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.32, fold, Hero calls $0.16
Flop: ($0.92, 2 players) Q:heart: 9:heart: J:spade:
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.72, Hero raises to $2.39, BTN raises to $6.40, Hero raises to $16.24, BTN raises to $51.11 and is all-in, Hero calls $26.41 and is all-in
are people c/c or donking this flop, or are people c/r/c or c/r/gii?
PokerStars - $0.16 Ante $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3
CO: $29.76
BTN: $51.47
SB: $17.20
Hero (BB): $43.01
UTG: $34.83
SB posts SB $0.08, Hero posts BB $0.16, CO posts ante $0.04, BTN posts ante $0.04, SB posts ante $0.04, Hero posts ante $0.04, UTG posts ante $0.04
Pre Flop: ($0.44) Hero has 8:heart: J:heart:
fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.32, fold, Hero calls $0.16
Flop: ($0.92, 2 players) Q:heart: 9:heart: J:spade:
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.72, Hero raises to $2.39, BTN raises to $6.40, Hero raises to $16.24, BTN raises to $51.11 and is all-in, Hero calls $26.41 and is all-in
Jackle43
Visionary
Silver Level
Personally I would just try to get this in on the flop. But your playing deep so that might be a terrible idea, saves us from gross turn/river decisions
duggs
Killing me softly
Silver Level
Hand D
PokerStars - $0.16 Ante $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3
Hero (BTN): $47.38
SB: $23.75
BB: $23.92
SB posts SB $0.08, BB posts BB $0.16, Hero posts ante $0.04, SB posts ante $0.04, BB posts ante $0.04
Pre Flop: ($0.36) Hero has Q:spade: Q:club:
Hero raises to $0.48, SB calls $0.40, BB raises to $2.08, Hero raises to $4.64, fold, BB calls $2.56
Flop: ($9.88, 2 players) 5:heart: 6:diamond: 3:diamond:
BB checks, Hero bets $4.32, BB raises to $19.24 and is all-in, Hero calls $14.92
thoughts on sizing in this hand?
PokerStars - $0.16 Ante $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3
Hero (BTN): $47.38
SB: $23.75
BB: $23.92
SB posts SB $0.08, BB posts BB $0.16, Hero posts ante $0.04, SB posts ante $0.04, BB posts ante $0.04
Pre Flop: ($0.36) Hero has Q:spade: Q:club:
Hero raises to $0.48, SB calls $0.40, BB raises to $2.08, Hero raises to $4.64, fold, BB calls $2.56
Flop: ($9.88, 2 players) 5:heart: 6:diamond: 3:diamond:
BB checks, Hero bets $4.32, BB raises to $19.24 and is all-in, Hero calls $14.92
thoughts on sizing in this hand?
duggs
Killing me softly
Silver Level
dude we are 600bb effective.
Jackle43
Visionary
Silver Level
Haha ok, didnt even look that you were that deep. sorry.
What is your river decision then? What will he fold if you come over the top?
duggs
Killing me softly
Silver Level
overpairs, weaker flush draws, Tx i dunno maybe nothing.
imo his c/r range on the flop given preflop action is like 22/77/1010/89/some hearts combos/and occasionally JJ/99/QQ. but on river given sizing and combos sets and boats virtually are never in range. so can we fold out the rest, or can we bluff catch?
imo his c/r range on the flop given preflop action is like 22/77/1010/89/some hearts combos/and occasionally JJ/99/QQ. but on river given sizing and combos sets and boats virtually are never in range. so can we fold out the rest, or can we bluff catch?
Matt Vaughan
King of Moody Rants
Bronze Level
Hand A, bb makes this spot really awkward... I feel like a 5bet might be best but if he over-calls 3bet/back-raise 6bets it puts us in the most awkward spot. I'm obv 3betting there. I think call may be best but it's just gross.
Hand B, kinda just feels like he has a T, wants to get thin value, but limit your FE by betting uber small. Unfortunately I don't think we have the best hand too often. Only thing we realistically beat is worse FDs, but I'm not sure what kind of % of his range that is in actuality. I likely flat the river because meh, odds. Up until that point I play it the same way you do. Uber-deep is tough.
Hand C, I think I prefer x/r/c to gii. Bet/call also seems good on the flop. Just seems like gii can't be the most +EV here but I'm not positive. Don't think gii is -EV, but don't think it's best.
Hand D, reads? Are we thinking he realistically 3bet/flats with TT/JJ??
Hand B, kinda just feels like he has a T, wants to get thin value, but limit your FE by betting uber small. Unfortunately I don't think we have the best hand too often. Only thing we realistically beat is worse FDs, but I'm not sure what kind of % of his range that is in actuality. I likely flat the river because meh, odds. Up until that point I play it the same way you do. Uber-deep is tough.
Hand C, I think I prefer x/r/c to gii. Bet/call also seems good on the flop. Just seems like gii can't be the most +EV here but I'm not positive. Don't think gii is -EV, but don't think it's best.
Hand D, reads? Are we thinking he realistically 3bet/flats with TT/JJ??
duggs
Killing me softly
Silver Level
A) if we are 5betting i think its a jam,
B) can we raise to make him fold a 10?
C) yea more or less the same thoughts i had after the hand
D) probably, also has AK/AQ/AJ diamond draws, gutters whatever, i think the call is pretty mandatory
Matt Vaughan
King of Moody Rants
Bronze Level
A) Even though you're like 300 bb deep with BB?
B) Well that was my first thought but if I'm right about the reasoning for him betting it, I think he calls. Like if he's betting a T that way, it's so he can call a raise.
D) Yeah I'm not convinced I play it any differently, but I'm not fist-pumping on the flop.
B) Well that was my first thought but if I'm right about the reasoning for him betting it, I think he calls. Like if he's betting a T that way, it's so he can call a raise.
D) Yeah I'm not convinced I play it any differently, but I'm not fist-pumping on the flop.
xdeucesx
Bar Master
Silver Level
hand C: I'm no deepstack player, but i hate playing j8s oop. ( I know i'm a nit)
That being said, GII on flop doesn't seem necessary since stacks are so deep here. I kind of like donk/calling since villain is going to raise like 100% of our donks here w/ btn v blinds dynamic going on. On turn/river, if heart or gutshot comes in, it would make sense for villain to try to represent these hands and we can get paid off when he keeps barreling.
we have blockers to like all his FD combo's besides AKhh and maybe A10hh, and unless he has something stupid like 67hh, than he's not drawing. I just don't like getting 300 bbs in OTF w/a fd + gutshot when his stacking range is going to be QQ/99/AA/KK + made straights
I don't know what our equity is there ( on work computer), but it's certainly not good haha.
Summary....I don't like getting 300 bbs in OTF w/o the nuts
That being said, GII on flop doesn't seem necessary since stacks are so deep here. I kind of like donk/calling since villain is going to raise like 100% of our donks here w/ btn v blinds dynamic going on. On turn/river, if heart or gutshot comes in, it would make sense for villain to try to represent these hands and we can get paid off when he keeps barreling.
we have blockers to like all his FD combo's besides AKhh and maybe A10hh, and unless he has something stupid like 67hh, than he's not drawing. I just don't like getting 300 bbs in OTF w/a fd + gutshot when his stacking range is going to be QQ/99/AA/KK + made straights
I don't know what our equity is there ( on work computer), but it's certainly not good haha.
Summary....I don't like getting 300 bbs in OTF w/o the nuts
xdeucesx
Bar Master
Silver Level
Hand B:
I like your thinking, 3b should be bigger. As played though, I think we fold turn tbh. Look at UTG's line.....he limp/flatted a 3b, than min c/r OTF in 3b pot.
That's like a super strong line and he has literally no air in that range imo. It just screams 1010/77/22 or some nutted KK/AA
I like your play OTF, since he's deffo giving us odds to draw out on him w/hearts + backdoor nut straights. Once board pairs on turn and he fires a big 3/4 bet (100 bbs loldeepstacks), I'm probably just pitching it.
If a heart hits river, how often are we getting paid off by something like KK/AA? He's betting so massive for 1 of 2 reasons,to deny draws &/or get value... so I think we have zero implied odds for our flush in this spot. Also, obviously if he already has a FH, were ****ed anyways.
I like your thinking, 3b should be bigger. As played though, I think we fold turn tbh. Look at UTG's line.....he limp/flatted a 3b, than min c/r OTF in 3b pot.
That's like a super strong line and he has literally no air in that range imo. It just screams 1010/77/22 or some nutted KK/AA
I like your play OTF, since he's deffo giving us odds to draw out on him w/hearts + backdoor nut straights. Once board pairs on turn and he fires a big 3/4 bet (100 bbs loldeepstacks), I'm probably just pitching it.
If a heart hits river, how often are we getting paid off by something like KK/AA? He's betting so massive for 1 of 2 reasons,to deny draws &/or get value... so I think we have zero implied odds for our flush in this spot. Also, obviously if he already has a FH, were ****ed anyways.
xdeucesx
Bar Master
Silver Level
Hand D:
I probably 4b bigger tbh, something like 5.34. Villain has roughly 150 bbs, so when we 5b to around 5.50 or so, it leaves him w/around 110 OTF...making it easier for us to get stack later. Not too important imo, but just a small note.
OTF, this spot just sucks, bc logic says to GII and make $ from 67/77/88/99/1010/JJ....but in reality, I think he's got a slowplayed KK/AA or sets.
I'd give villain a range of 6x/77-JJ/KK-AA/ + some stupid 2p's like 56, 53 and some combo's like 54dd, 78dd, A2dd, etc.
I doubt were looking good against that range, but I just can't see villain c/r shoving OTF w/much were ahead of.
I probably 4b bigger tbh, something like 5.34. Villain has roughly 150 bbs, so when we 5b to around 5.50 or so, it leaves him w/around 110 OTF...making it easier for us to get stack later. Not too important imo, but just a small note.
OTF, this spot just sucks, bc logic says to GII and make $ from 67/77/88/99/1010/JJ....but in reality, I think he's got a slowplayed KK/AA or sets.
I'd give villain a range of 6x/77-JJ/KK-AA/ + some stupid 2p's like 56, 53 and some combo's like 54dd, 78dd, A2dd, etc.
I doubt were looking good against that range, but I just can't see villain c/r shoving OTF w/much were ahead of.
duggs
Killing me softly
Silver Level
deuces agree with pretty much everything you said. although the QQ hands seems like i should be getting it in since i think that first range is more accurate, i got it in v a draw and couldnt hold but thats ok. I like that people are thinking along similar lines as me.