Duggs tries cash

[duggs]

Hand D:

OTF, this spot just sucks, bc logic says to GII and make $ from 67/77/88/99/1010/JJ....but in reality, I think he's got a slowplayed KK/AA or sets.

I'd give villain a range of 6x/77-JJ/KK-AA/ + some stupid 2p's like 56, 53 and some combo's like 54dd, 78dd, A2dd, etc.

I doubt were looking good against that range, but I just can't see villain c/r shoving OTF w/much were ahead of.

I think that range given is pretty accurate, I snapped him off and he had 79dd or something like that

 

[duggs]

hand C: I'm no deepstack player, but i hate playing j8s oop. ( I know i'm a nit)

That being said, GII on flop doesn't seem necessary since stacks are so deep here. I kind of like donk/calling since villain is going to raise like 100% of our donks here w/ btn v blinds dynamic going on. On turn/river, if heart or gutshot comes in, it would make sense for villain to try to represent these hands and we can get paid off when he keeps barreling.

we have blockers to like all his FD combo's besides AKhh and maybe A10hh, and unless he has something stupid like 67hh, than he's not drawing. I just don't like getting 300 bbs in OTF w/a fd + gutshot when his stacking range is going to be QQ/99/AA/KK + made straights

I don't know what our equity is there ( on work computer), but it's certainly not good haha.

Summary....I don't like getting 300 bbs in OTF w/o the nuts

i think defending is pretty mandatory, espec given everyone makes fundamental errors postflop so i will def show a profit defending pretty wide. in hindsight i think donk/call is the best line since c/r/c and c/c are pretty meh options. my range is also usually stronger on this texture than his so theoretically it makes sense to lead a wide range imo.

 

[duggs]

Hand B:

I like your thinking, 3b should be bigger. As played though, I think we fold turn tbh. Look at UTG's line.....he limp/flatted a 3b, than min c/r OTF in 3b pot.

That's like a super strong line and he has literally no air in that range imo. It just screams 1010/77/22 or some nutted KK/AA

I like your play OTF, since he's deffo giving us odds to draw out on him w/hearts + backdoor nut straights. Once board pairs on turn and he fires a big 3/4 bet (100 bbs loldeepstacks), I'm probably just pitching it.

If a heart hits river, how often are we getting paid off by something like KK/AA? He's betting so massive for 1 of 2 reasons,to deny draws &/or get value... so I think we have zero implied odds for our flush in this spot. Also, obviously if he already has a FH, were ****ed anyways.

turn is definitely a mistake, given the board runnout and his sizing tho once i reach the river, his range is like 10x/KK/AA imo I thought i could make them fold by raising river so i did and they tank called. I consistently make the mistake of seeing a villains value range get blockered and thinned out, forgetting that they just dont have a bluff or thin value range so i should be folding to exploit them in general.

 

[duggs]

time for an update, been pretty busy with work and getting ready to move and all, so havent put in a tonne of grind. what i have put in has gone pretty badly and im on the verge of having to move down to 10nl again sigh. Keen for someone to look over stats etc cause i know I'm being spewy in alot of spots.

 

[duggs]

here are my 10 and 16nl graphs respectively. I'm definitely running bad in some annoying spots but im also not giving up nearly enough and definitely punted one stack just then.

 

[duggs]

round the wrong way obv,

 

[ChipEaterMan]

My HUD is like this

VPIP/PFR/hands
FTS/3bet/Sqz/F3bet/4bet
RFI EP/MP/CO/BTN/SB
Flop cbet/Turn cbet/River cbet/Fold flop cbet/Fold Turn cbet/Fold River cbet

it works ok for me

 

[Cafeman]

My HUD is like this

VPIP/PFR/hands
FTS/3bet/Sqz/F3bet/4bet
RFI EP/MP/CO/BTN/SB
Flop cbet/Turn cbet/River cbet/Fold flop cbet/Fold Turn cbet/Fold River cbet

it works ok for me

Spooky, that's almost exactly the same as mine.

 

[duggs]

Moving countries in 2 weeks so been pretty busy, roll is up to 730 tho when should I move to 25nl?

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Whenever you're comfortable. Imo ~30 BI's should be pretty comfortable for at least a 5 BI shot though.

 

[duggs]

Do you know how to adjust that for deep stacked ante games?

 

[Kidblaze]

Play 6max good luck to you sir

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Do you know how to adjust that for deep stacked ante games?

Mmm good point. If we're on skype at some point we can talk it out? I have some ideas but haven't given it serious thought before.

 

[duggs]

bumping back to life, been in greece for a few weeks, roll is around 800 still,

how many combos of bluffs does he need here for line to be ok?


pokerstars - $0.25 Ante $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 27.22, PFR: 18.95, 3Bet Preflop: 7.50, Hands: 675)
SB: 540.96 BB (VPIP: 21.43, PFR: 7.14, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
Hero (BB): 264.16 BB
UTG: 210 BB (VPIP: 57.14, PFR: 42.86, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 7)
CO: 117.32 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 7.14, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 14)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB, 5 players post ante of 0.2 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.4 BB) Hero has Js Jd
UTG raises to 2.8 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 11 BB, UTG calls 8.2 BB

Flop : (23.4 BB, 2 players) Th Tc 6c
Hero bets 15 BB, UTG raises to 33.2 BB, Hero calls 18.2 BB

Turn : (89.8 BB, 2 players) 3h
Hero checks, UTG bets 45.6 BB, Hero calls 45.6 BB

River : (181 BB, 2 players) Kh
Hero checks, UTG bets 120 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 120 BB

 

[OldschoolSteinhausen]

bumping back to life, been in greece for a few weeks, roll is around 800 still,

how many combos of bluffs does he need here for line to be ok?


PokerStars - $0.25 Ante $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 27.22, PFR: 18.95, 3Bet Preflop: 7.50, Hands: 675)
SB: 540.96 BB (VPIP: 21.43, PFR: 7.14, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
Hero (BB): 264.16 BB
UTG: 210 BB (VPIP: 57.14, PFR: 42.86, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 7)
CO: 117.32 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 7.14, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 14)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB, 5 players post ante of 0.2 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.4 BB) Hero has Js Jd
UTG raises to 2.8 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 11 BB, UTG calls 8.2 BB

Flop : (23.4 BB, 2 players) Th Tc 6c
Hero bets 15 BB, UTG raises to 33.2 BB, Hero calls 18.2 BB

Turn : (89.8 BB, 2 players) 3h
Hero checks, UTG bets 45.6 BB, Hero calls 45.6 BB

River : (181 BB, 2 players) Kh
Hero checks, UTG bets 120 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 120 BB

120/(120+181) will tell you how often he has to be bluffing for this to be a call. This hand is VERY villian dependant. No one could tell you whether to call or not except you. In my experience, without a strong read, its a fold on the river or turn.

 

[duggs]

Yea i more meant how many combos of value do people see here?

 

[Matt Vaughan]

It's hard to see anyone flatting a 3b with KK+ at deep tables, but I could see him with QQ here perhaps. I'm thinking his value range on the river is basically just AT (off suit combos discounted somewhat, so maybe call it 6 possie combos total), KTs, QTs, JTs. I'm probably calling here cause he has so much junk in his range on the flop and the board is paired. But if he's bad enough to barrel KQs and then jam river thinking it's for value then I fold.

 

[duggs]

Yea but the Kx combos are only KQcc and AKcc. I think even some 10x checks river. I called he showed Q9o. In game I had some sizing tells to help but I think in a vacuum bluffing frequencies will be small

 

[duggs]

My range is somewhat uncapped since I makes sense for me to have KK KT AT in i. As well as AA 10x

 

[OMGITSOVER9K]

I dunno if I give you AT, you're more likely to flat it than 3bet BB vs UTG right?

I had my opinions on this hand, it didnt make sense to me either but I cba'd counting combos (easy to say after spoilers right) you can have some Tx and I doubt he has that many AKs might 4bet pre sometimes and why would he even raise the flop w/ draws IP when he can flat everything IP?

edit: lol that Q9o though

 

[duggs]

what are peoples thoughts on this?

PokerStars - $0.25 Ante $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (MP): 319.28 BB
CO: 126.12 BB (VPIP: 30.56, PFR: 5.56, 3Bet Preflop: 4.17, Hands: 37)
BTN: 251.32 BB (VPIP: 28.79, PFR: 19.70, 3Bet Preflop: 6.31, Hands: 274)
SB: 281.52 BB (VPIP: 29.52, PFR: 20.95, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 219)
BB: 199.24 BB (VPIP: 32.37, PFR: 17.63, 3Bet Preflop: 6.83, Hands: 741)
UTG: 298.56 BB (VPIP: 31.32, PFR: 21.90, 3Bet Preflop: 10.22, Hands: 4,546)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB, 6 players post ante of 0.2 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.6 BB) Hero has 3:diamond: 4:diamond:

UTG raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 2.6 BB, fold

Flop: (11.2 BB, 3 players) K:spade: 2:spade: 6:diamond:
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: (11.2 BB, 3 players) J:diamond:
SB checks, UTG bets 8 BB, Hero raises to 27 BB, fold, UTG raises to 72 BB, Hero calls 45 BB

River: (155.2 BB, 2 players) Q:spade:
UTG bets 74 BB, Hero raises to 244.08 BB and is all-in,

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Do we just never stab this flop IP? Just wondering, cause at 100 bb ESS I prob throw out a bet on the flop. I like the turn action, but I'm not sure I like river action. Wouldn't we just have bet the flop with like any spade draw? And I don't think we can rep any gut shot that came in. And I doubt we are ever value-jamming that river with a set of 6's or 2's?

 

[duggs]

i cross posted that hand in micro crushers, but my response there was


figured i was repping the nuts, i thought that his range is basically just sets, largely KK and JJ with the line he has taken, I wouldnt be stabbing flush draws on the flop given SB just doesnt fold v me. where as i have nut flush draws in my range for raise/calling the turn. for him to have a flush draw he would have to take a weird flop line AND have exactly AQss A10ss (only one left on river). my plan for the hand when i called the turn was to jam on any diamond or 5 over his bet. i decided that i barely have any bluffs in my range with this line so I can turn his entire range into uncomfortable bluff catchers.

my value range on the river for jamming would be broadway+flushes, weighted towards nut flushes

 

[ScottishMatt]

I agree that his range is basically KK/JJ. Unless he can bluff here, but you gave no history so I assume not. With him getting 3:1 and your line looking so goofy I can't imagine him folding either kings or jacks. I know I wouldn't.

 

[duggs]

i dont think it looks super goofy?