Duggs tries cash

[duggs]

I fold way too much to 3-bets so I probably don't know shit. But. I reckon you are flatting 3-bets way too often. Granted you are playing deep tables so the dynamic will alter what with the stack sizes being different but I just don't think you can try to outplay people in every spot and expect to profit.

Again I play 100BB deep so it might be standard at deep tables but I think you are flatting too much in general. The gap between your VPIP/PFR is a bit large.

thats definitely true but remember that i can setmine any pair profitably in 3bet pots. and these arent all HU pots either, the gap between my rfi and my vpip isnt that different so i guess i should be bluffing with the bottom of my opening range in some 3bet/3bet squeeze spots more?

 

[duggs]

bump bump bump, more responses please, need help. scourgge, and the other stats whizzes get in here and teach me

 

[Matt Vaughan]

oh dear, don't call me a stat whiz... cause I'm not. Taking a look-see now.

Post more of your 100bb stats. Not too much you have there. You might be playing just a hair loose, and if you're running a little bad, tightening up certainly won't hurt as you'll get into fewer marginal spots.

I'd definitely fold to more 3bets - I understand you're deeper and so there's more IO and flatting more IP is good, but again if you're struggling a bit or getting into weird spots, one of the best ways to help with that is to just tighten up a bit. Sounds like annoying advice, but creating easier spots for yourself and getting rid of tougher ones is +EV.

Cbet looks pretty good, your fold to cbet stats might be a bit low, but I haven't looked at those stats in a long time so I'm not really sure. You may also just be playing position a ton and having more profitable float spots.

We can take a look at more stats at some point if you want - sorry I haven't been online much lately.

 

[duggs]

break even since last post, tightened up alot and i feel like its working out pretty well. bunch of reg fish still sit me but havent found too many droolers. calling in some dumb spots v them when its never ever going to be good.

hand 1, he is a bad reg without signifcant sample. colour coded nitreg
PokerStars - $0.10 Ante $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: $71.03
UTG: $10.00
Hero (BTN): $38.15
SB: $10.46

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10, BB posts ante $0.02, UTG posts ante $0.02, Hero posts ante $0.02, SB posts ante $0.02

Pre Flop: ($0.23) Hero has T:spade: K:heart:

fold, Hero raises to $0.30, fold, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.73, 2 players) K:spade: 8:spade: Q:spade:
BB bets $0.70, Hero raises to $2.21, BB calls $1.51

Turn: ($5.15, 2 players) Q:club:
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($5.15, 2 players) Q:diamond:
BB bets $4.92, Hero calls $4.92

hand 2
450bb eff, villain is a 30/15/4 with a 78% ft3b 0% 4bet over 470 hands.
heaps of questions
do people want to raise this flop?
what is his flop 3betting range?
given this what is his 3b/call range going to look like compared with his 3bet/gii range?
what should i do on the turn as played?

PokerStars - $0.10 Ante $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: $10.33
CO: $65.46
BTN: $26.88
Hero (SB): $43.04
BB: $10.06

Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10, UTG posts ante $0.02, CO posts ante $0.02, BTN posts ante $0.02, Hero posts ante $0.02, BB posts ante $0.02

Pre Flop: ($0.25) Hero has 7:heart: 9:heart:

fold, CO raises to $0.30, fold, Hero calls $0.25, fold

Flop: ($0.80, 2 players) T:heart: 3:diamond: 8:heart:
Hero checks, CO bets $0.60, Hero raises to $2.01, CO raises to $5.40, Hero raises to $14.60, CO calls $9.20

Turn: ($30.00, 2 players) 3:club:
Hero bets $28.12 and is all-in,

 

[duggs]

also what are peoples thoughts on overshoving the nuts on rivers v droolers, they have to call virtually never for it still to yield a higher average payoff. Im only doing this v 80/10 etc fish.

PokerStars - $0.10 Ante $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

CO: $25.66
BTN: $23.41
Hero (SB): $25.00
BB: $38.36
UTG: $11.68

Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10, CO posts ante $0.02, BTN posts ante $0.02, Hero posts ante $0.02, BB posts ante $0.02, UTG posts ante $0.02

Pre Flop: ($0.25) Hero has A:spade: J:spade:

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.30, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.70, 2 players) Q:club: 7:club: T:diamond:
Hero bets $0.48, BB calls $0.48

Turn: ($1.66, 2 players) K:spade:
Hero bets $1.40, BB raises to $2.80, Hero raises to $5.00, BB calls $2.20

River: ($11.66, 2 players) J:heart:
Hero bets $19.20 and is all-in,

PokerStars - $0.10 Ante $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

CO: $24.59
BTN: $15.68
SB: $22.58
Hero (BB): $25.00
UTG: $18.45
MP: $10.00

SB posts SB $0.05, Hero posts BB $0.10, CO posts ante $0.02, BTN posts ante $0.02, SB posts ante $0.02, Hero posts ante $0.02, UTG posts ante $0.02, MP posts ante $0.02

Pre Flop: ($0.27) Hero has K:club: 7:diamond:

UTG calls $0.10, fold, CO calls $0.10, fold, fold, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.47, 3 players) 9:club: 3:club: J:club:
Hero bets $0.40, fold, CO calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.27, 2 players) A:club:
Hero bets $1.10, CO calls $1.10

River: ($3.47, 2 players) 6:club:
Hero bets $23.38 and is all-in,

 

[AlfieAA]

break even since last post, tightened up alot and i feel like its working out pretty well. bunch of reg fish still sit me but havent found too many droolers. calling in some dumb spots v them when its never ever going to be good.



hand 1, he is a bad reg without signifcant sample. colour coded nitreg

PokerStars - $0.10 Ante $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players

Hand converted by PokerTracker 3



BB: $71.03

UTG: $10.00

Hero (BTN): $38.15

SB: $10.46



SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10, BB posts ante $0.02, UTG posts ante $0.02, Hero posts ante $0.02, SB posts ante $0.02



Pre Flop: ($0.23) Hero has T:spade: K:heart:



fold, Hero raises to $0.30, fold, BB calls $0.20



Flop: ($0.73, 2 players) K:spade: 8:spade: Q:spade:

BB bets $0.70, Hero raises to $2.21, BB calls $1.51



Turn: ($5.15, 2 players) Q:club:

BB checks, Hero checks



River: ($5.15, 2 players) Q:diamond:

BB bets $4.92, Hero calls $4.92



hand 2

450bb eff, villain is a 30/15/4 with a 78% ft3b 0% 4bet over 470 hands.

heaps of questions

do people want to raise this flop?

what is his flop 3betting range?

given this what is his 3b/call range going to look like compared with his 3bet/gii range?

what should i do on the turn as played?



PokerStars - $0.10 Ante $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players

Hand converted by PokerTracker 3



UTG: $10.33

CO: $65.46

BTN: $26.88

Hero (SB): $43.04

BB: $10.06



Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10, UTG posts ante $0.02, CO posts ante $0.02, BTN posts ante $0.02, Hero posts ante $0.02, BB posts ante $0.02



Pre Flop: ($0.25) Hero has 7:heart: 9:heart:



fold, CO raises to $0.30, fold, Hero calls $0.25, fold



Flop: ($0.80, 2 players) T:heart: 3:diamond: 8:heart:

Hero checks, CO bets $0.60, Hero raises to $2.01, CO raises to $5.40, Hero raises to $14.60, CO calls $9.20



Turn: ($30.00, 2 players) 3:club:

Hero bets $28.12 and is all-in,

Hand 1....why check the turn? Are you putting him on a s/m-pp with a spade, and hoping he catches up?...coz he must know he's way behind here right....then the queen hits and you out boat him haha, brilliant...also why did you reraise the flop?...that's not something I've added to my game yet, I usually just station...do you do it on wet boards to see where you are at in the hand to pump up value v fold equity?

 

[AlfieAA]

also what are peoples thoughts on overshoving the nuts on rivers v droolers, they have to call virtually never for it still to yield a higher average payoff. Im only doing this v 80/10 etc fish.



PokerStars - $0.10 Ante $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players

Hand converted by PokerTracker 3



CO: $25.66

BTN: $23.41

Hero (SB): $25.00

BB: $38.36

UTG: $11.68



Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10, CO posts ante $0.02, BTN posts ante $0.02, Hero posts ante $0.02, BB posts ante $0.02, UTG posts ante $0.02



Pre Flop: ($0.25) Hero has A:spade: J:spade:



fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.30, BB calls $0.20



Flop: ($0.70, 2 players) Q:club: 7:club: T:diamond:

Hero bets $0.48, BB calls $0.48



Turn: ($1.66, 2 players) K:spade:

Hero bets $1.40, BB raises to $2.80, Hero raises to $5.00, BB calls $2.20



River: ($11.66, 2 players) J:heart:

Hero bets $19.20 and is all-in,



PokerStars - $0.10 Ante $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players

Hand converted by PokerTracker 3



CO: $24.59

BTN: $15.68

SB: $22.58

Hero (BB): $25.00

UTG: $18.45

MP: $10.00



SB posts SB $0.05, Hero posts BB $0.10, CO posts ante $0.02, BTN posts ante $0.02, SB posts ante $0.02, Hero posts ante $0.02, UTG posts ante $0.02, MP posts ante $0.02



Pre Flop: ($0.27) Hero has K:club: 7:diamond:



UTG calls $0.10, fold, CO calls $0.10, fold, fold, Hero checks



Flop: ($0.47, 3 players) 9:club: 3:club: J:club:

Hero bets $0.40, fold, CO calls $0.40



Turn: ($1.27, 2 players) A:club:

Hero bets $1.10, CO calls $1.10



River: ($3.47, 2 players) 6:club:

Hero bets $23.38 and is all-in,

Dont like the jam on the river, it screams K spades imo....coz if it was a bluff bet it would be way lower but not quite as low as a value bet, in the hope of getting re raised....then you could pump it..

 

[AlfieAA]

Dont like the jam on the river, it screams K spades imo....coz if it was a bluff bet it would be way lower but not quite as low as a value bet, in the hope of getting re raised....then you could pump it..

Edit...clubs

 

[micromachine]

About you stats:

You're a real LAG! I know this style can be super profitable but I think you need to be very experienced to pull it off and as you've only recently started your cash adventure I wonder if you can. Obv the LAG style works better on the deep tables but I think you can tighten up considerably there too and stop putting yourself in so many tough spots. Loads of players are super LAGgy on the deep tables and I think playing the opposite, well TAG anyway, will be more profitable. Your pretty aggro post too by the looks of it as your redline positive. Imo you will make more money at 10nl by making good showdown hands and value betting relentlessly, your redline will go down but your blue will skyrocket. Each to his own playing style wise of course but I feel you might be more profitable tightening up and being more of a SD nit especially on the 100bb tables.

On the deep tables you can probably 3bet a lot more especially from the BTN, and your fold to 3bet is pretty low, I know this is deep and they are all 3betting a wide range but I dont think the way to counter that is to call a lot so tightening your 3bet calling range and 4bet bluffing a bit more could work.

I'm no expert, especially with 250bb deep stats but hope that helps a little

 

[Cafeman]

Yo duggs, is that your hand on the TPP? KTo 3bet IP with 2 others to the flop, you flop TP and check it back.

 

[duggs]

Yo duggs, is that your hand on the TPP? KTo 3bet IP with 2 others to the flop, you flop TP and check it back.

yup it is, i adore that podcast. havent heard it yet so super pumped to listen to it.

 

[Cafeman]

Yeah it's my fav poker podcast too. Nice hand btw

 

[AlfieAA]

whats the podcast called?

 

[Cafeman]

http://www.thinkingpoker.net/category/podcast/

 

[AlfieAA]

http://www.thinkingpoker.net/category/podcast/

cheers bro

 

[duggs]

stoked with that podcast hand.

no updates due to forum crashing. but we are back now by the looks.

was up to 600 but came back down to 500. so i have 50 (100bb) bi. does anyone know how to adjust BRM for 250bb deep games. when should i move up etc etc etc?
also a bunch of hands im playing poorly but iv definitely significantly reduced the number of hands im butchering.

 

[duggs]

running hot in spots like this but feel like he is getting it in with worse heaps. probably should raise flop tho.

PokerStars - $0.10 Ante $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: $24.88
BB: $12.20
UTG: $17.45
MP: $90.40
CO: $31.78
Hero (BTN): $30.21

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10, SB posts ante $0.02, BB posts ante $0.02, UTG posts ante $0.02, MP posts ante $0.02, CO posts ante $0.02, Hero posts ante $0.02

Pre Flop: ($0.27) Hero has T:spade: T:heart:

fold, MP raises to $0.30, fold, Hero calls $0.30, fold, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($1.07, 3 players) 2:diamond: A:spade: T:diamond:
BB checks, MP bets $0.55, Hero calls $0.55, fold

Turn: ($2.17, 2 players) Q:club:
MP bets $1.85, Hero raises to $4.70, MP raises to $11.00, Hero raises to $29.34 and is all-in, MP calls $18.34

River: ($60.85, 2 players) T:club:

[spoil]MP shows K:diamond: J:spade: (Straight, Ace High) (Pre 44%, Flop 17%, Turn 77%)
Hero shows T:spade: T:heart: (Four of a Kind, Tens) (Pre 56%, Flop 83%, Turn 23%)
Hero wins $59.35
[/spoil]

This is v a 64/44/30 over 25 hands. I flat pre because i expect him to cbet and give up a bunch and I'm in position and get to make better decisions and we are short handed and deep so i flat. flop is pretty hard for him to connect with other than JJ+ and some flush draws, and i essentially have a 6 out draw v the majority of his range. turn i bink and he continues removing 1010 or weaker from his range. and given i crush all but 3 combos of his range i raise for value expecting overpairs and over card/flush draws to jam on me.

thoughts?

PokerStars - $0.10 Ante $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: $8.08
BB: $27.49
Hero (BTN): $39.15

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10, SB posts ante $0.02, BB posts ante $0.02, Hero posts ante $0.02

Pre Flop: ($0.21) Hero has 7:spade: 5:spade:

Hero raises to $0.30, fold, BB raises to $1.01, Hero calls $0.71

Flop: ($2.13, 2 players) 2:club: 5:diamond: J:diamond:
BB bets $1.40, Hero calls $1.40

Turn: ($4.93, 2 players) 5:club:
BB bets $3.30, Hero raises to $9.60, BB raises to $25.06 and is all-in, Hero calls $15.46

River: ($55.05, 2 players) 7:diamond:




hand v spazz fish. do people want to fold turn to a jam or call for choppies. 7 combos crush us and 6 chop (IF he 4bets all combos of AK which is unlikely), I have him tagged for bet sizing tells so his weird small bet lets us of the hook here.
31/21/13 with 43 foldto3bet 5% 4bet 20% fold to 4bet

PokerStars - $0.10 Ante $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

CO: $23.75
BTN: $95.41
SB: $20.00
BB: $19.96
Hero (UTG): $26.82
MP: $15.38

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10, CO posts ante $0.02, BTN posts ante $0.02, SB posts ante $0.02, BB posts ante $0.02, Hero posts ante $0.02, MP posts ante $0.02

Pre Flop: ($0.27) Hero has A:heart: K:spade:

Hero raises to $0.30, fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.95, SB raises to $2.50, fold, Hero calls $2.20, fold

Flop: ($6.17, 2 players) K:heart: T:diamond: 8:club:
SB bets $4.10, Hero calls $4.10

Turn: ($14.37, 2 players) 2:heart:
SB bets $6.90, Hero calls $6.90

River: ($28.17, 2 players) 3:heart:
SB bets $6.48 and is all-in, Hero calls $6.48]

 

[duggs]

is this river too thin 31/19/9 i have tagged as a fish.

PokerStars - $0.10 Ante $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (MP): $29.15
CO: $25.00
BTN: $31.06
SB: $9.54
BB: $25.25
UTG: $22.37

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10, Hero posts ante $0.02, CO posts ante $0.02, BTN posts ante $0.02, SB posts ante $0.02, BB posts ante $0.02, UTG posts ante $0.02

Pre Flop: ($0.27) Hero has Q:club: Q:heart:

UTG raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $1.30, fold, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls $1.00

Flop: ($2.87, 2 players) A:spade: 6:heart: 5:diamond:
UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($2.87, 2 players) 6:club:
UTG checks, Hero bets $1.80, UTG calls $1.80

River: ($6.47, 2 players) 7:club:
UTG checks, Hero bets $2.60, UTG calls $2.60

 

[OMGITSOVER9K]

superrr fine

 

[duggs]

Bump

 

[Jackle43]

I think it's a little to thin

 

[OMGITSOVER9K]

nit, you can go smaller OTR but imo we're never really beat here that often

 

[JOEBOB69]

nit, you can go smaller OTR but imo we're never really beat here that often

Hey looks fine to me, if any thing it could be a bit bigger.

 

[OMGITSOVER9K]

hands we want value from will fold to bigger than 1/2 pot most of the time in stars games

 

[Jackle43]

nit, you can go smaller OTR but imo we're never really beat here that often

I think we are only getting called by better, weak aces all that