***December Degenerates Cash Game Regs Thread***

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@ duggs and loafes

Well, the only reason "risk aversion" comes into play is because of the implied utility of the money. We technically risk nothing by playing, since it's not like 50% of the time we win $10k, and 50% of the time we lose $5k, or something. I think that would be a clearer example of risk aversion (if we compare it to 100% of the time getting nothing but paying nothing).

It becomes purely about the utility imo. If a contestant was offered these options:

A
$20 -> 50%
$30 -> 50%
(EV = $25)

B
$10 -> 50%
$50 -> 50%
(EV = $30)

Then unless the contestant isn't so hot with math, he chooses B every time. But if it becomes more like:

A
$4,000 -> 50%
$10,000 -> 50%
(EV = $7,000)

B
$2,000 -> 50%
$20,000 -> 50%
(EV = $11,000)

A lot of people become way more likely to choose A, because the utility of being guaranteed $4k is enough higher than the utility of being guaranteed $2k, so even though the EV difference is relatively large compared to the guaranteed payouts, they take the lower EV for the higher guarantee. It gets even crazier when you start adding really big sums with really small ones compared to more "in between" options.

Measuring the utility (or perceived utility) is pretty tough to do imo too, which is part of what makes games like deal or no deal interesting in the first place.

Oh, and we like drama.

Edit: Btw, most poker players won't make "more correct" decisions than normal people of their same economic situation, because you won't ever get even remotely close to the long-run in game shows :)
 
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Well yea the utility of money is concave because the utility of consumption is, being risk averse is logical
 
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Risk, insurance, utility, rationality...economics. As well as bankroll.

Most people are more pissed off at losing money than they are happy when they win it.
 
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well i do have an economics exam tomorrow
 
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When did this thread get so serious. Oh well, I guess I added to it.
 
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someone post boobies or something
 
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or college football or something, is college football loyalty regional btw?
 
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Por que no los dos?

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Can we all agree that Lou Reed is a boss?

I've had "Transformer" on vinyl spinning nonstop this whole week. I forgot how good this album truly is
 
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yo :)

what have you two been up to? still playing poker?

I've been chatting up princesses in disneyworld and doing an Open University degree, I have had no time for poker at all :(

Have deposited like $30 on stars so I can jump on the 2nl zoom tables when I get the urge to but if I had no time before, I def have no time now lol
 
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or college football or something, is college football loyalty regional btw?
Pretty much exclusively. There are a few teams that pull fans from all over (Notre Dame probably is tops in this because of the Catholic connection but there are others). Now all teams have fans everywhere as people move around and such but in general you're a fan of the school that you went to or that you live near.

I've been chatting up princesses in disneyworld and doing an Open University degree, I have had no time for poker at all :(

Have deposited like $30 on stars so I can jump on the 2nl zoom tables when I get the urge to but if I had no time before, I def have no time now lol
How was the trip to the States/Disney?
 
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I've just plugged a shitbag old monitor into my laptop (that's smaller than the laptop) for the first time and now I have two screen and it's the best thing ever.
 
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oh ya, forgot to tell you guys, i got to meet fossilman, joe cada, darwin moon, matt glantz and a few others this week since there hosting this promo for poker night in america at my local casino.

Actually got to play with fossilman, since he jumped in some 2/5 for fun. He was a super nice guy and was actually pretty funny. Same goes for Moon, we talked about WV NCAAF for awhile. Everyone was pretty cool, but I didn't get to talk to Cada since he was busy playing like 50/100 or some shit in the corner

tl;dr- i hung out with some 2004-07 pros
 
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I hate you. How do you get that. How.
 
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How was the trip to the States/Disney?

Absolutely loved it, first time I'd been to America and I've been wanting to go I think since the first film I ever watched lol

Had the best chicken wings ive ever had from a place called Pat O'brians in Universal city walk, some amazing food in there, I also sang kareoke with a live band and backing singers lol

Few pics :)









 
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cool pics peels,
this is what the thread needs, moar pictures

edit: is that the robinhood treehouse behind you? if so, i have a family picture in relatively the same spot lol
 
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Wife pics please.
 
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Sorry, I meant to say, "nice pics peels". Freudian slip... I guess.
 
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Awesome pics, peels. But also, moar wife pics needed.
 
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Pretty sure Pat O'Brien's was originally a New Orleans bar. Didn't realize they had franchised. Those wings don't look very spicy. Gotta be HOT imo.

Didn't realize you were coming over with a whole herd of people. Nice pics and get a haircut! :)
 
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good pics neil, you look pissed in them all though!

You do need a haircut, and we do need more wife pics in here...

Cafeman, contribute!
 
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Manager of that karaoke bar is a good friend of mine. The band and backup singers do a great job there.
 
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