Tired of losing over and over

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619Leafs

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Hello everyone,

Every time I start to try to build a bankroll I always keep getting bad beats and cannot make hands.

Any advice to get over the hump. It just seems losing is a habit and not just an occurance.

What is the optimal way to play poker? Aggressive,conservative?

I am sick and tired of losing constantly.
 
ZenGreen

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After playing 8 hours today and showing $1.78 profit. No way am I doing this tomorrow. So I guess Ill be doing this tomorrow. Im tired of ****ing losing too, and Im just tired too.
 
radartodd69

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I'm the same way friend. The longest time my bankroll was on the up was 3 str8 days and then went back to zero on the 4th day. I'm trying better bankroll management but when I start losing it's like how the heck am I ever going to get that money back that I just lost. Not to mention how bad people play when you're playing lower stakes. I won't give up though. I'll succeed or die trying. lol cheers m8
 
Ragequit

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Hi there, at least one person per day writes a post on this topic on a Poker forum. I think what often happens is that people have the wrong idea about how profitable Poker is. You are playing a very difficult game where the biggest winners are only making a modest profit margin. This margin is a lot smaller than most people realise. The sickest pros have an average winrate of somewhere in the region of 5% (Over many thousands of hands). In plain English, this means that on average, out of every 20 pots they play they will win 11 of them and lose 9. I realise that these are ideal generalisations but I'm just trying to explain it clearly. The number 9 and 11 are not that far apart. And it gets worse. These wins and losses do not appear in a neat line. They can be spread out in any sequence throughout a player's session. This is why pros can often have long strings of losing sessions. They never know from pot to pot what is going to happen, they only know their expected average return over a large sample, and this is what they play for. A lot of depression is caused in Poker due to players expecting to see instant returns on their efforts. Sadly the game is just not built that way. The winning player's margin is so small, that it can take a very long time to see any meaningful results. For example if you're an NL2 cash player (Blinds $0.01/$0.02) with a modest winrate of 3bb/100 hands, then this translates to $0.06 / 100 hands. This is a winrate of $0.0006 per hand of Poker. If that same player plays 78 hands per hour then their hourly rate is $0.05 per hour. (5 cents per hour). This is equivalent to a tournament player grinding $0.50 SNGs with an ROI of about 10%.. (Roughly). You would probably make more money walking around for that hour looking for coins on the ground, and this is why many players choose to multitable.



Here's another example: A 5% winning player at $3/$6 can expect to make 5bb/100 hands = $30. If that player is also doing about 78 hands per hour then they can expect an average hourly rate of about $23 per hour. This is meaningful money. (This figures are approximate but they are fine for getting my point across). After 8 hours at this rate, that's like a full day's pay. So a player who is winning at a rate of 5% is feeling ok about the time they're putting in, and so they don't mind losing 9 pots out of every 20. But at the micros it tends to cause a lot of pain because there's nothing to show for the time spent. The same applies to SNG players who have positive ROIs but aren't seeing the effect because the amounts are so small. Moving up is the only way to solve this problem but it has to be done by beating each of the limits in succession. If you skip over the lower limits and can't beat them then what skills are you going to bring to the higher stakes games? The answer is none because you won't have them. These skills are practiced and perfected using amounts of money that don't matter until you are ready to up the ante.



And just to note, these figures don't even include the rake! You have to beat that too AND have a positive ROI or bb/100. So again, only the very best players are going to achieve this consistently without relying on luck. At the higher limits, these winrates translate to bigger and more useful amounts of money, and the rake% are also lower which increases the good player's winrate. So my point is, this game is going to be loaded with losing sessions and winning sessions spread out in random patterns. If you expect a reliable pattern in your results then you are going to be very disappointed and therefore become depressed. It's very easy for the whole game to seem like a conspiracy against us when we are in that mindset. But the key to success is getting control of your mind first and how it deals with these emotions that Poker generates. Play for the long term. Maybe take a break for a few months and save up a larger bankroll. Then you can come back and play for more meaningful amounts of money. That way, your modest wins will seem much more significant. But again, don't forget to learn the skills required to beat the limit you're playing at. Best of luck. R
 
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Use the constant losing as motivation to find out why you are not making money. You need a positive mindset and finding leaks and fixing them is one way of doing it.
Optimal poker is not one choice between passive and aggressive - optimal poker uses both - you have to have all the tools and adjust to your game/table/stakes.
 
JusThieF

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Maybe try to play firstly at very low buyin tournaments even micro to praktice and read about diffrent tatics before u will get urself urs own style.
 
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Instead of playing just try to work on your game. It's simple; if you are losing for too long, you are not good player. It's like anything else in life, if it's not going, then it's up to you.
As soon as you improve your game results will come. Sure, there are always bad beats, bad periods, that's normal, but you just have to give your best to improve your skill and everything will be much better. GL!
 
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Maybe the steps you are trying to make are too big for your bankroll. You must study this and find what steps you must take!
 
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It depends a lot on the tournament you play, on the reading you make of the players at your table, on how comfortable you feel aggressive or not, they are many factors, it is nothing more to say oh tomorrow I will play aggressive and after tomorrow game conservative
 
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if ur tired of losing u should stop playing poker especially mtts cause most of the times u will lose.
 
ZenGreen

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Hi there, at least one person per day writes a post on this topic on a Poker forum. I think what often happens is that people have the wrong idea about how profitable Poker is. You are playing a very difficult game where the biggest winners are only making a modest profit margin. This margin is a lot smaller than most people realise. The sickest pros have an average winrate of somewhere in the region of 5% (Over many thousands of hands). In plain English, this means that on average, out of every 20 pots they play they will win 11 of them and lose 9. I realise that these are ideal generalisations but I'm just trying to explain it clearly. The number 9 and 11 are not that far apart. And it gets worse. These wins and losses do not appear in a neat line. They can be spread out in any sequence throughout a player's session. This is why pros can often have long strings of losing sessions. They never know from pot to pot what is going to happen, they only know their expected average return over a large sample, and this is what they play for. A lot of depression is caused in Poker due to players expecting to see instant returns on their efforts. Sadly the game is just not built that way. The winning player's margin is so small, that it can take a very long time to see any meaningful results. For example if you're an NL2 cash player (Blinds $0.01/$0.02) with a modest winrate of 3bb/100 hands, then this translates to $0.06 / 100 hands. This is a winrate of $0.0006 per hand of Poker. If that same player plays 78 hands per hour then their hourly rate is $0.05 per hour. (5 cents per hour). This is equivalent to a tournament player grinding $0.50 SNGs with an ROI of about 10%.. (Roughly). You would probably make more money walking around for that hour looking for coins on the ground, and this is why many players choose to multitable.



Here's another example: A 5% winning player at $3/$6 can expect to make 5bb/100 hands = $30. If that player is also doing about 78 hands per hour then they can expect an average hourly rate of about $23 per hour. This is meaningful money. (This figures are approximate but they are fine for getting my point across). After 8 hours at this rate, that's like a full day's pay. So a player who is winning at a rate of 5% is feeling ok about the time they're putting in, and so they don't mind losing 9 pots out of every 20. But at the micros it tends to cause a lot of pain because there's nothing to show for the time spent. The same applies to SNG players who have positive ROIs but aren't seeing the effect because the amounts are so small. Moving up is the only way to solve this problem but it has to be done by beating each of the limits in succession. If you skip over the lower limits and can't beat them then what skills are you going to bring to the higher stakes games? The answer is none because you won't have them. These skills are practiced and perfected using amounts of money that don't matter until you are ready to up the ante.




And just to note, these figures don't even include the rake! You have to beat that too AND have a positive ROI or bb/100. So again, only the very best players are going to achieve this consistently without relying on luck. At the higher limits, these winrates translate to bigger and more useful amounts of money, and the rake% are also lower which increases the good player's winrate. So my point is, this game is going to be loaded with losing sessions and winning sessions spread out in random patterns. If you expect a reliable pattern in your results then you are going to be very disappointed and therefore become depressed. It's very easy for the whole game to seem like a conspiracy against us when we are in that mindset. But the key to success is getting control of your mind first and how it deals with these emotions that Poker generates. Play for the long term. Maybe take a break for a few months and save up a larger bankroll. Then you can come back and play for more meaningful amounts of money. That way, your modest wins will seem much more significant. But again, don't forget to learn the skills required to beat the limit you're playing at. Best of luck. R

WELL **** THIS MAKES IT 1000% worse than I realized. Very good post BTW, thanks for killing my poker dream LOL.
 
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Playing low stakes is not the way ,play sumthong in between like a $10 or $15 tournaments. Going far in these tournaments is well worth it instead of struggling for eight hours and nothong to show for it :bandit:
 
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You're welcome Zen, sorry to be the bearer of hard truths but it's important for every aspiring pro to know. In fact, I became a better player once I had grasped the realities of accepting frequent losses. Tilt stopped being a major issue for me after I went and investigated the game objectively. Ironically my winrate increased because I stopped trying to force wins due to entitlement tilt.
 
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Hello I have problem with my bankroll management but I am play for fun ,if you want seriously win and increase your amount try to study bankroll management and be aggressive but before that read your opponents and dont be predictable.Good luck to your games you can find a really useful articles here!
 
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Sometimes it.s better to take a break..after some bad hands dat destroyed your bankroll..Reconsider your play style, your strategy. Try to spot the mistake and fix it! This is not the end,my friend. Keep it up! Good luck!
 
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i know the feels i try to play small tables but takes long time then when you are doing good dont try to move up in bigger bets stick with it and when you tilt just take a break. mabey make some toast or or have some ice cream cool off. dont sweat the bad beats either it happens to us all :top:
 
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Hey bud! Join the club.
I don't do much of small stakes like.01/.02 but like .05/1 and up, but mostly play live at foxwoods doing both cash and tourney. We have a good wed night 15k $120 buy in, If I can remember i made final table in jan , chopped 4 ways for a good score, ever since then, haven't cashed, bankroll was at $3300, down under -$2k, done about 23 tournaments total and 2 cashes, but that wed Tourney NOTHING, closes was 33rd pay was 30th, field is about 250 to 330. I can still remember the hands that I was ahead on where I got popped out, I try to mix things up, especially when you go card dead 1hr plus and blinds start to eat at your stack, there's not much you can really do even when you get decent cards to play with and you play your position. I still come back for more because I know and feel I can play this game with everyone else, just sometimes we all are on the losing unlucky side and it can cloud our outlook, who knows! it may never end, who's to say you will ever cash or win a tournament? RIGHT? nothing guaranteed, just try best and enjoy is as much as you can.
On that note.
I've seen it's harder to get people to fold any pair they hit even if it's the lowest hand on the board besides like the deuce, just last week, BB 600, a few raises, the raiser kept betting, board was like 9 A 10 K 2. after a 1600 bet, then 3k after river, the raiser shoves for like 25k, I really didn't go deep into his move but where did this guy the idea that it was good to call with 69o because he hit his 9,was unreal, then hearing is reason made me even think more of bad it is out here to grind , lmfao, it's shit like that , that drives me crazy sometimes because when u have a made hand say like you hit the A or 10 or K, most of the time they fold, and trust me this dude isn't that good a player to get that good of a read, 10 hands later he lost his stack and more stupid calls.

leafs it comes down to what you have and are winning to play and gamble with, cash or tournaments.. I know my play time has dropped as my bankroll took a dive NEG on this 17 tournament drought. Wish we all could be the Justin Bonomo's and luck boxes!!!!

Good luck to everyone.:D:):as4:
 
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If you are a new player I will suggest you to play tight-agressive also if you have experience it's a good strategy.Try to play the games that you feel more comfortable and you know your good.Work on your tilt if you're tilting just stop playing and if you want to build a bankroll play games with at least 20 buy ins or more.
 
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Start Small and Work Your Way Up

Start the the micro stake games, and work your way up once you’re able to spend 5% of your bankroll on a buyin. That way, you learn to crush the stakes you’re playing and are able to have a downswing while you’re learning.

freerolls are available too. 888 offer a lot of good tournament tickets for signing up, so you’ll be able to get plenty of practice in. This site also offers Freerolls that are good to learn from.

Finally, you should study and put your learning into practice. Record an hour session and find out why you lost a hand, or post it on this forum to see what others would have done. It’s a long process, as is getting good at anything, so you need to put a lot of groundwork in. Even the pros are constantly learning... If they don’t and become complacent, then they move backwards as others move forwards.

TLDR: Stay determined and focussed! Don’t give up! :)
 
Vuske111

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Dont losse fate,keep grinding you can do it :)
 
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Look,if there was an optimal way to play poker. Then the same person would win the wsop main time after time. So learn to change your play based on how you observe the other players at your table are playing. If you in fact really want to advance your knowledge of play. The I suggest that you play a lot more live games (if possible). For it is at a live table is where your skills will be best tested.
 
bruno13xs

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Hello everyone,

Every time I start to try to build a bankroll I always keep getting bad beats and cannot make hands.

Any advice to get over the hump. It just seems losing is a habit and not just an occurance.

What is the optimal way to play poker? Aggressive,conservative?

I am sick and tired of losing constantly.
When I found out how to get out of this phase, help me too.
 
Eric Salvador

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Its hard to help you with such a broad question. Are you getting outdrawn with hands that you gave proper odds too when you bet? Are you not creating a table image that properly displays the range your representing? Do you understand how to read board texture? There's a lot more questions but if any of these aren't applied to you game when your at the table, you may want to fix those leaks.
 
Clowntown

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If you feel like there's something in your game that you're missing, I recommend taking a careful examination into your bet sizing. That tends to be where most people go wrong. Are you making it too cheap to see another card when u flop top pair? Or, are you overbetting and making it too expensive so that you get no value? Maybe when you get aces late into a tourney you bet too much and lose a ton of value and the potential chance to double up if your opponent flops a pair.

If you feel like you're playing good but running into nonstop bad beats and BS then maybe switch it up and try playing some live poker. Poker RNG can seem pretty questionable when you're playing online. Some of the bad beat streaks I see online seem mathematically impossible to run into on a daily basis.

Just be honest with yourself. Are you losing with the best hand more often than you win? If so, this is called running very bad and it can can certainly happen. If this isn't the case tho, maybe play less and take some time to study the game and improve your play.
 
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