***November SNG Thread***

[WiZZiM]

Have you ever tried doing this live?

Hehe, i got caught in a live poker tournament once. I usually wait till the action reaches me before i look at my cards, anyway a guy raises from mid position, and i just got a vibe he was really weak, so i 3bet him from the SB, he thinks and calls. Flop hits, and i lead out and he tanks for a while before folding. Straight after I folded, he looked at me and said "Hang on, I'm pretty sure you didn't look at your cards"

LOL, i thought about it and he was right, I actually hadn't bothered to glance at my cards, I'm kind of lucky he didn't remember it before he mucked his hand, that pot could have been really interesting.

 

[Debi]

I can't stay away from sng's lol. I still managed to play over 170 last month- even with my primary focus being on mtt's. (played 125 of those).

I had a sng coaching session this week that was good so I am re-inspired to play them more often again.

So for the next 2 months at least I am going to split my time between them and mtt's with a bit more focus on sng's again.

It is kind of hard to estimate how many I can play with 10 days in Vegas and Thanksgiving all in the same month but I will try.

1. Play 8-12 live tournmaments at Venetian and Aria.
2. 50 mtt's (weak I know but missing so many days)
3. 150 sng's
4. 3 sng coaching sessions
5. Be ready to move back to the $11's by Dec

 

[cardplayer52]

Hey guys, kinda new to this thread but have been browsing quite a bit. Might be an off topic question, but have any of you guys seen pandurrrr on full tilt playing $20 sngs. He basically mass tables everyday and ,IMO, he plays bad but gets lucky. Pretty sure he's grinding out like a $200,000 profit every year.. Crazy stuff.

Yes he's always grinding. IMO he's too tight. I almost doubt he's making a profit pre rackback. He got his results blocked but sure he was crushing at one time. I don't think he plays badly at all just doesn't seem to be able to adjust to different players.

 

[cardplayer52]

i came across yet another leaky spot of mine. we're on the bubble, im hardly 3rd in chips but 2nd in chips is in the bb. I wake up with KK in the SB. Im only 100 or so above 4th place chip stack. It folds to me and its just me and the BB. I see a hand like this and instantly think how can i double up, which i know is wrong thinking when it comes to BvB. So i pull the rookie mistake and min-raise. I'll leave the rest of the hand out cause i feel like Preflop was my biggest mistake. how do i get myself out of this poor decision making process when i finally wake up with a hand and it folds to me. After reviewing the hand i know a shove is the best play, if he has a hand to call with awesome, if he does not alright i pick up the blinds, but i fail to think this way when playing.

I think a shove is a +EV but no where near the best play. A smaller raise is is the best play IMO. It will induce light 3bets from aggro regs as well as calls from random players with lots of worse hands. It better to think of the most profitable way to play a hand rather than just push/fold.

 

[Logan2]

Early session was kind of bad, can´t really complain, make far in all but big mistakes and some unlucky.

The mistakes

I should know about this, but still "want to believe" (like X-files) that was ahead. (i call the allin in the river but was going to push anyway).


Then another mistake, i should not be there in first place.


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Then the unlucky ones.

He shove 14bb´s from sb to my bb, i have 10bb left so i call, happy to see his cards but can guess the river.



Raised pre from CO, i shove back, you can guess river again, winning this hand will put me way ahead versus the others, but oh well.

Do you think 3bet instead of shove will be better in here preflop?, he was a dice (meaning he want to gamble), so with the think he will call me and feeling have the best hand sound better to shove, but with 2 others with half and 1/4 our chips is those spots that hurts.


Hopely late session will have better endings.

 

[cardplayer52]

The T6o seems like an ez fold preflop. I'm really wondering what happened preflop with the AQo. I think I'm going broke there most of the time(before there ever is a river card).

 

[seanDCFC]

My goals for the month are:
1. Play at least 50 SNG's
2. Profit (id be happy to break even tbh)
3. Post more hands for analysis and try to eradicate some leaks in my game.
4. Read a book on SNG's. Anyone have any suggestions for books that would help me get better at the micro stakes?
5. Become more active in this forum. ive already learnt a lot from here that has improved my game substantialy and im sure i can learn much much more.

 

[Juniorsdaddy]

I am such a glutton for punishment. Yesterday I had about an hour to kill, so instead of playing SNGs, I wind up in a cash Rush table. I gave up after about an hour down a buy-in. Today, I decided instead on Turbo SNGs, which I previously never played well. 2 2nds out of 3. So, as long as I can resist the cash temptation, it should be a good month.

 

[Logan2]

Do you think 3bet instead of shove will be better in here preflop?, he was a dice (meaning he want to gamble), so with the think he will call me and feeling have the best hand sound better to shove, but with 2 others with half and 1/4 our chips is those spots that hurts.

Hopely late session will have better endings.

...And again...

Try to 3bet this time instead of shove, we still end all-in preflop, same result.

Some days can´t win

Tomorrow will be a better day.

 

[PoKeRFoRNiA]

i hate myself. only got 27.5 ftps. couldn't get 50 ftps. on the other side, i won 8 buy-ins. 11 sngs of $2.25. hope it keeps goin like this every single day.

 

[cjatud2012]

i hate myself. only got 27.5 ftps. couldn't get 50 ftps. on the other side, i won 8 buy-ins. 11 sngs of $2.25. hope it keeps goin like this every single day.

not to burst your bubble, but it won't. Sry.

 

[seanDCFC]

4 games played today, ITM in them all. Only one first place though. I need to work on my heads up play, Im going in heads up with a nice stack and throwing it away.

 

[Rldetheflop]

4 games played today, ITM in them all. Only one first place though. I need to work on my heads up play, Im going in heads up with a nice stack and throwing it away.

Nash equilibrium helped me a lot.

 

[pat3392]

Hehe, i got caught in a live poker tournament once. I usually wait till the action reaches me before i look at my cards, anyway a guy raises from mid position, and i just got a vibe he was really weak, so i 3bet him from the SB, he thinks and calls. Flop hits, and i lead out and he tanks for a while before folding. Straight after I folded, he looked at me and said "Hang on, I'm pretty sure you didn't look at your cards"

LOL, i thought about it and he was right, I actually hadn't bothered to glance at my cards, I'm kind of lucky he didn't remember it before he mucked his hand, that pot could have been really interesting.

Not quite how I remember the story. You're talking about the tournament that happened at the Adelaide casino, right?

I was thinking of playing a whole live tournament without looking at my cards once. Probably won't work though, not sure if they're stupid to fold to my bluffs/shoves if they see I'm not looking at my cards.

I need to work on my heads up play, Im going in heads up with a nice stack and throwing it away.

10BB or less shove ATC, more than 10BB min raise 80%

Nash equilibrium helped me a lot.

meh that's teaching way too tight. But if you truly suck and don't plan on studying HU play any time soon then it's not a bad idea

 

[PoKeRFoRNiA]

not to burst your bubble, but it won't. Sry.

you hurt my feelings. i'm gonna tell on my mommy.

 

[Jillychemung]

Ugh 5 outta 6 SNG games tonight I make the FT and then run into AA in the BB to bust. At least I got 1 1st to sooth the hurt.

 

[seanDCFC]

Nash equilibrium helped me a lot.

Ill do a bit of research on this, I would say I totally suck heads up but I can most definitely improve.

 

[Lofwyr]

HU is largely about being kind of stupidly aggressive and knowing the tendencies of the villain. If villain is shoving ATC every hand, obviously my above advice is not great Of course, in that case your value range is like 22+, Ax+, Kx+, Qx+, 45s+ bare minimum. I might be wrong about the suited connectors though...maybe those should be J-high and 10-high hands.

Ran a few flights of 180's today and splashed in the $40k guarantee $3+r on stars. I think I made the money in a 180...but otherwise uneventful. Then just now decided to fire up a 2 table session to end tonight on, low key and not too intense. FT both, win one and go out 4th in the other one feeling like I just got robbed of another 1st. Oof... In the space of 6 hands the other 3 people doubled through me 4 times and then busted me I shove like a maniac ofc, abusing chip-lead and phantom bubble...but players just woke up with 99, AQ and AK. 2 of them got 9's on me actually...and I couldn't win a flip...

I haven't been playing nearly enough this month. Doesn't look like I'll hit my goal at this pace. But I have to prioritize other stuff, can't just overload poker entirely.

So...I have a question, does anyone have some good resources for big stack play? I have issues when I get the big stack really, I think I start to try exploiting the wrong things. This primarily applies to non-turbo MTT's.

 

[pat3392]

So...I have a question, does anyone have some good resources for big stack play? I have issues when I get the big stack really, I think I start to try exploiting the wrong things. This primarily applies to non-turbo MTT's.

Depends how big you're talking about but if you're 100BB deep than any cash game book applies really. The early levels of a MTT is basically a cash game. The difference is though instead of people adapting to others play style, players are adapting to the different stack sizes. At least that's my interpretation of it all.

I generally LAG it up when I'm deep. Play lots of hands that have implied value. Call raises with pockets for set value, isolate raise late limper with 30%, attempt to steal the blinds at just about every opportunity, the cards don't matter for the most part, limp behind with suited connectors.

Not sure if it's the correct approach but the way I see it is at the lower games players for the most part play fairly straight forward. They have a few tricks but for the most part I can out play them. So why not get involved with weaker players? Some advocate tight play as we have more to lose we we're deep but I don't plan on stacking of light. I'll abuse others that have that philosophy and the loose/passive fish why I'm at it

 

[Debi]

Bwammo has a video at DTB about playing with a big stack. You can get a 7 day free trial there - then if you pm me I can give you a code for an additional 7 days. (They only offer that to Cardschat members).

 

[shaazy712]

up $15 mostly $1.20 sit go hope to have a great weekend starting today

 

[Clambake420]

man i dont know how you people play 4+ Sng's. I 2 tabled the 1.20's today for the first time and that was overwhelming enough, not to mention when your in the final 3 on both tables and you got both screens blinking at you repeatedly. I think it did help my discipline though, got 1st and 2nd. But i did enjoy it more then just sitting there focusing on one lame 1.20 sng. So ill keep at it.

 

[Lofwyr]

man i dont know how you people play 4+ Sng's. I 2 tabled the 1.20's today for the first time and that was overwhelming enough, not to mention when your in the final 3 on both tables and you got both screens blinking at you repeatedly. I think it did help my discipline though, got 1st and 2nd. But i did enjoy it more then just sitting there focusing on one lame 1.20 sng. So ill keep at it.

I was of exactly that line of thinking a while back. Two tables over one seems quite harsh, but the real challenge seemed to be adding the 3rd table. I struggled with doing that for quite some time. Once you get comfortable with 3 adding more becomes somewhat easier. I recently added a 4th table and it hasn't made things all that much more difficult.

@pat - I mainly mean stuff like 35-50bb in the middle stages. I'm fairly competent post-flop and totally play the SC's/small PP's early (when the spot is right). I think mainly I have trouble when I have like 35-50 in LP with a mix of somewhat short and big stacks behind. Like in the CO with a 11BB BTN, 35BB SB and 15BB BB. I have to adjust my effective stack size somewhat, but you can't really adjust quite as much as you'd like. Gotta respect the 35bb stack more than the small ones (NLHE stack theories and whatnot).

Frankly...I'm a cash player at heart, but in the micro's these SNGs are just WAY more profitable than 6max cash.

@dakota - I'll take a look at the DTB thing. Don't have enough time to really capitalize atm. And I'm primarily playing large field turbo SNGs right now, so it's not a pressing issue.

 

[cardplayer52]

4. Read a book on SNG's. Anyone have any suggestions for books that would help me get better at the micro stakes?

Collin Moshman's Sit and Go Strategy is the book I'd suggest for you to read. It should give you the basic winning strategy. But this thread hear is a far better resorce IMO(still read the book so you know what were talking about). There is alot of good advice here but be sure to post HH's in the HA forum and post a link here for good feed back from the SNG regs.

 

[cjatud2012]

man i dont know how you people play 4+ Sng's. I 2 tabled the 1.20's today for the first time and that was overwhelming enough, not to mention when your in the final 3 on both tables and you got both screens blinking at you repeatedly. I think it did help my discipline though, got 1st and 2nd. But i did enjoy it more then just sitting there focusing on one lame 1.20 sng. So ill keep at it.

It's just something that takes time. After a while you'll be snoozing with only 2 tables, then you can move up to 4, and then more. So just be patient, with time you'll get better at it.