***January SNG Thread***

[WiZZiM]

You can't justify getting SNG Wizard without ICM knowledge and planning to play more than casually.

 

[pat3392]

Heh... it didn't work at $3+ either. That's why I'm back grinding at $.25 no-rake 45-seat SnGs.

It works beautiful at 45 $3, imo this is the best stake to do these plays at. You're probably doing it at the wrong times/against the wrong people and have other major leaks

Don't know whether first post was aimed at me, guessing it wasn't - sorry for replying if it wasn't ^_^

And I'm working on my game, etc, I'd like to be half decent. Roll is growing...

Yeah it was. You mentioned you weren't going to play small stakes for 1000 games; not sure what you're idea of small stakes are, but anything + $6 imo is kinda tough, so you're probably going to have to play more than 1000 games, a lot more if you're building your roll this way. The jumps between the skill levels of the stakes are tremendous, it may not be so extreme now though because they've added $.25 games, smallest was $1 when I started

 

[the lab man]

You can't justify getting SNG Wizard without ICM knowledge and planning to play more than casually.

So waste of time ???

 

[WiZZiM]

So waste of time ???

It highly depends on what you want out of poker. If you are planning to play SNG full or part time, then it's essential that you get to know exactly how and what it does, and how it can help you.

If you don't have plans of that kind, then paying $100 for pretty much any piece of software is a bit silly.

It takes a sound knowledge of ICM to use SNG Wizard correctly, and a lot of experience as well (to get the ranges correct). So perhaps, as a beginner, i'd be focusing on getting some sound default shoving, re-stealing and calling ranges down it's pretty much all you need to be able to beat the micros.

 

[Pascal-lf]

Yeah it was. You mentioned you weren't going to play small stakes for 1000 games; not sure what you're idea of small stakes are, but anything + $6 imo is kinda tough, so you're probably going to have to play more than 1000 games, a lot more if you're building your roll this way. The jumps between the skill levels of the stakes are tremendous, it may not be so extreme now though because they've added $.25 games, smallest was $1 when I started

I said "these" stakes, not smallest stakes, i.e. $1.10 turbos I'm overrolled for them now and did well over a 300 game sample so I'm happy to move up and see how I do at the next level. In the 4 I played I didn't notice that much of a difference in skill level at all FWIW, but obviously sample size...

 

[pat3392]

I said "these" stakes, not smallest stakes, i.e. $1.10 turbos I'm overrolled for them now and did well over a 300 game sample so I'm happy to move up and see how I do at the next level. In the 4 I played I didn't notice that much of a difference in skill level at all FWIW, but obviously sample size...

aaaaah misunderstood then

the skill jumps has probably lessened with the introduction of the $.25 stake

 

[cjatud2012]

Spoiler

 

[cjatud2012]

I ran into these two spots tonight, first one blinds were going to increase to t100/t200 in about a minute, in the second one to t100/t200/t25 in about two minutes. The cards are nearly identical, positions are pretty similar, but stack sizes are a little different. I can't imagine either is a very good ICM push, but would you ignore that in either spot?

Should probably add that in the first one BB seems pretty nitty but SB is kinda loose, and in the second both blinds are nitty.
PokerStars - $3+$0.40|75/150 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (MP): 955.00
CO: 1,440.00
BTN: 1,235.00
SB: 3,923.00
BB: 1,800.00
UTG: 2,307.00
UTG+1: 1,840.00

SB posts SB 75.00, BB posts BB 150.00

Pre Flop: (225.00) Hero has Q:club: 7:heart:

fold, fold, Hero ???


PokerStars - $3+$0.40|100/200 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (UTG+1): 1,405.00
MP: 1,140.00
CO: 935.00
BTN: 3,548.00
SB: 1,600.00
BB: 2,682.00
UTG: 2,190.00

SB posts SB 100.00, BB posts BB 200.00

Pre Flop: (300.00) Hero has 8:spade: Q:heart:

fold, Hero ???

 

[WiZZiM]

Don't think we can afford to fold the first one, it's probably a bad push, but i'd make it because i hate letting the blinds hit me cheaply, so i'd much rather make a bad shove than blind out.

Second one, even with the blinds going up it's going to be an instafold.

 

[Bwammo]

The Q7 we definitely need to get in. after blinds go through us we will only have 3-4 bbs depending on how fast the hands go...and we are still 7 handed. More than half of the field needs to lose so we definitely don't have time to wait unless a miracle happens. It then comes down to are we going to be dealt a better hand in the next two hands? Also we would be shoving into more players the longer we wait.

The Q8 we have more time to wait and are already utg so theres no reason to get crazy here

 

[cjatud2012]

wow the Jets are really good

And thanks for the feedback guys, that's about what I figured.

ps I'm kinda bummed about this avatar issue, I was really excited about it but I will have to wait to appreciate its full glory I guess

 

[cjatud2012]

Can't wait to get back to my apartment, tabling on my 24" monitor is way better than using just my laptop

 

[PattyR]

word CJ. my laptop is a 15" sucks so bad

 

[cjatud2012]

word CJ. my laptop is a 15" sucks so bad

Yeah this is a royal pain, I can only really tile like 3 tables. I guess I could stack - I actually just downloaded a .ahk script to help with this, but still testing it.

Okay, similar question to before - blinds are going up to t200/t400/t25 in less than a minute. Shove?

PokerStars - $3+$0.40|100/200 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: 6,660.00
SB: 2,790.00
BB: 2,540.00
Hero (UTG): 1,510.00

BTN posts ante 25.00, SB posts ante 25.00, BB posts ante 25.00, Hero posts ante 25.00, SB posts SB 100.00, BB posts BB 200.00

Pre Flop: (400.00) Hero has 8:heart: K:spade:

Hero ???

 

[Lofwyr]

Yeah this is a royal pain, I can only really tile like 3 tables. I guess I could stack - I actually just downloaded a .ahk script to help with this, but still testing it.

Okay, similar question to before - blinds are going up to t200/t400/t25 in less than a minute. Shove?

PokerStars - $3+$0.40|100/200 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: 6,660.00
SB: 2,790.00
BB: 2,540.00
Hero (UTG): 1,510.00

BTN posts ante 25.00, SB posts ante 25.00, BB posts ante 25.00, Hero posts ante 25.00, SB posts SB 100.00, BB posts BB 200.00

Pre Flop: (400.00) Hero has 8♥ K♠

Hero ???

Hmm...I would think this is a shove even if blinds aren't going up at all. 4-handed K8o isn't really that bad of a hand.

 

[cjatud2012]

I think the fact that it's the bubble and we're UTG might make things closer, though.

 

[Bwammo]

Yeah K8 is definitely good enough to get all in here...we'd need a special set of circumstances to think otherwise.

You're stealing from the sb/bb who are your current competition for last place. You are almost half the size of the guy in 3rd place. If you fold here, you're setting yourself up for 2nd or 3rd place to shove all in on your BB, leaving yourself helpless to do anything.

 

[WiZZiM]

It's a really bad situation we have here, i'd like to see before this point to see if we missed any shoves. But i don't think we can do anything but shove here.

 

[cjatud2012]

I'm not letting myself look at my ROI or my graph - just the reports page to see marked hands. It's really really tough, lol, but it's what's best, obv.

 

[onemorechance]

I'm absolutely terrible for constantly checking sharkscope and the leaderboards lol :/

 

[cjatud2012]

Hahah yeah, I think I'll give myself a break and do that after a couple hundred games or like a thousand games, but right now I'm doing my best not to.

Now I just gotta learn to stay off the internet while I'm tabling, like right now...

Started playing on Stars again, gotta get used to having antes, makes shoving much more +$EV!

 

[cjatud2012]

US State of the Union Address is tonight, guess I better watch that instead of tabling...

 

[WiZZiM]

I'm not letting myself look at my ROI or my graph - just the reports page to see marked hands. It's really really tough, lol, but it's what's best, obv.

Yeah, it's something i struggled with briefly. But i have to say i'm far better off not looking/caring about short term graphs. It means absolutely nothing and plays with your head. If your winning you think you are playing great, if your losing you think you are doing something wrong.

I believe it's actually one of the main reasons winning players suddenly turn to breakeven or losing ones. They start out with a sound strat, over time they let the results influence the decisions or the past influences the future and bang, they are now a breakeven player.

I did it a lot, as soon as i hit a rough patch, i'd be looking for what's wrong, and i'd inevitably change something about my game. Sometimes it's best to just wait for a few more hundred games before changing anything, but it's always good to look for leaks.

Poker is one of those funny games where it goes against all of our learning processes. Let's say we go out and try to play golf. At first, we suck and can barely hit the ball. Next time we go out and we do a little better. The more we play, the better we get, and the results indicate that.

With poker, we go out and we might "succeed" straight away, we play more get better and we might start losing. Because of that random nature of the game, results don't indicate that much over the short term. Which is why looking at those results is a waste of time and energy.

(sorry to write all that dribble, but it helped me a lot once i understood why it was bad to look at them)

 

[Juniorsdaddy]

US State of the Union Address is tonight, guess I better watch that instead of tabling...

Nonsense. Bubbling in STTs is far more enjoyable than that.

 

[pat3392]

The randomness of the game is one reason why poker is so profitable; it's classic when a fish brags about how good he is because he ran deep in a MTT

Over a 4.5k sample my ROI jumped by 1. something from one win!!