Zorba
27
Platinum Level
I'd be calling expecting to lose, that's what normally happens to me with AA, and even though that happens to me I would still be calling in this highly unlikely scenario over and over again.
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Poker_Mike
Legend
Loyaler
Bless you Zorba! I will think of this thread the next time I am in this spot in a tournie!
Good luck !
dbchristy
Legend
Silver Level
I hear PROS talk about this on the radio and ESPN some will fold and others shove/call so I dont know why you pick me out of this group to say Im wrong. ITS a choice with 10k at stake. gimme a break
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pecam
Enthusiast
Silver Level
it's sure that you can loose but you really have the best hand so you should pay the all in because then you could become a monster and play more easily after that handAA tournament start, you fold this hand ?
Let's consider that we are in WSOP and we receive in the first hand, AA, what should we do?
Let us consider several hypotheses to arrive at an alternative
- we're in BB
- Before we took our turn to speak, we had two players going up allinn
-you would drop this hand, considering it is the start of the tournament, and you can get AA again, but this time, you have more chips to pay for this type of play?
or you go the allinn, without even analyzing the play in general?
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sibird
Rock Star
Silver Level
AA tournament start, you fold this hand ?
Let's consider that we are in WSOP and we receive in the first hand, AA, what should we do?
Let us consider several hypotheses to arrive at an alternative
- we're in BB
- Before we took our turn to speak, we had two players going up allinn
-you would drop this hand, considering it is the start of the tournament, and you can get AA again, but this time, you have more chips to pay for this type of play?
or you go the allinn, without even analyzing the play in general?
I don't see any reason of why should i fold. I am at BB pre flop and i am last to act. There are two hands already going all-in. I will follow them and go all-in. I won't drop this hand on the reasoning that it is the start of the tournament and i can have AA again in better conditions.
I have the top pocket hand. My opponent must be holding hands which are below my ranking. While i have the oppertunity to raise my chips 3 times, should i allow them to go ahead with weaker hands than mine?
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BobZock
Enthusiast
Silver Level
Peppinotom
Legend
Silver Level
I would have been praying from the moment of picking up the cards, that someone shoves all-in. Now it's two? Oh my god, thank you so much...All-in and have a nice tournament start or a nice dinner. Both is fine for me.
But a counterquestion: do you prefer AA in the first hand or after 3 hrs of playing facing two all-ins that both cover you?
But a counterquestion: do you prefer AA in the first hand or after 3 hrs of playing facing two all-ins that both cover you?
toteucelbun
Enthusiast
Silver Level
Poker Orifice
FoolsTilt
Platinum Level
Because I'm actually trying to HELP you.
There are many 'choices' we make while playing.... some are 'correct'... some are incorrect. Some are optimal, some are to exploit others... some are close & some are not. This one here is not close at all.... it would be very bad to fold in this spot.
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RockOnFlop
Rising Star
Bronze Level
Instant call.
The ods are too good, triple up with 70%-90% equity :deal: .
Even AA vs AA vs XX is ok.
Worst case scenario is vs KK an QQ, but I doubt you will see Qeens shove early in the type of tournament you specified. AK suited might shove considering it has blockers on AA and KK.
offtopic: I have lost once with AA vs KK vs KK with X 9 T J Q board. And I don't remeber winning in this situation.(You know how it works, we only remember when we get badbeats not when we crack flopped nuts)
Hand_ Equity_ | Hand__Equity_ | Hand _Equity_ | Hand_ Equity_ | Hand__ Equity
As Ac 96.48% | As Ac. 66.51% | As Ac 92.73% | As Ac 80.12% | As Ac 40.08%
Kd Kh. .2.92% | Kd Kc 17.80% | Ad Kc.. 3.64% | Ad Kd... 9.94% | Ad Ah 39.49%
Ks Kc.._0.60% | Qs Qh 15.69% | Ks Ah _3.64% | Kh Ah.. 9.94% | Kh Kd 20.43%
The ods are too good, triple up with 70%-90% equity :deal: .
Even AA vs AA vs XX is ok.
Worst case scenario is vs KK an QQ, but I doubt you will see Qeens shove early in the type of tournament you specified. AK suited might shove considering it has blockers on AA and KK.
offtopic: I have lost once with AA vs KK vs KK with X 9 T J Q board. And I don't remeber winning in this situation.(You know how it works, we only remember when we get badbeats not when we crack flopped nuts
)Hand_ Equity_ | Hand__Equity_ | Hand _Equity_ | Hand_ Equity_ | Hand__ Equity
As Ac 96.48% | As Ac. 66.51% | As Ac 92.73% | As Ac 80.12% | As Ac 40.08%
Kd Kh. .2.92% | Kd Kc 17.80% | Ad Kc.. 3.64% | Ad Kd... 9.94% | Ad Ah 39.49%
Ks Kc.._0.60% | Qs Qh 15.69% | Ks Ah _3.64% | Kh Ah.. 9.94% | Kh Kd 20.43%
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3gdata
Rock Star
Silver Level
Of cause, I would be a bit angry of this situation. Not a sweet situation to face with. But if this happens on preflop, it's still a call, not a fold. I can't see any other option there. I would call and hope for the better
. Remember it's not about WSOP, it's about math.
sidenotch
Visionary
Silver Level
With me it doesn't matter
Since I am NOT a "depositor" it seems no matter when I play power pocket pairs(j's or better), I lose about 80% of the time to TOTAL chasers, who later I find out were "depositors". Realizing that pretty much 90% of online poker is the "same ole same ole" crrrrap at times. Sooner I realize I won't be getting dealt good cards in a tourney cuz I am NOT a depositor, the better off I am of handling the donkwad betting by "depositors".
Since I am NOT a "depositor" it seems no matter when I play power pocket pairs(j's or better), I lose about 80% of the time to TOTAL chasers, who later I find out were "depositors". Realizing that pretty much 90% of online poker is the "same ole same ole" crrrrap at times. Sooner I realize I won't be getting dealt good cards in a tourney cuz I am NOT a depositor, the better off I am of handling the donkwad betting by "depositors".
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ChatPro
Rising Star
Bronze Level
Against two?! Definitely a call.
Since it's the start of the tournament, we know that the person going all in doesn't want the blinds, but maybe he has KA and wants someone calling with AQ, or he has KK, AA and thinking "I'm not going to try win 5% stack. I'm either doubling up or nothing but blinds." Only if he is mad or an amateur to go all in at the start of the tournament with any other hand.
The person calling before you...I can't imagine a call with less than KK since it's the start of the tournament.
So you with AA mostly will find yourself against AA and KK; KK and KK; or KA and KK; KA and AA.
This is my opinion
Since it's the start of the tournament, we know that the person going all in doesn't want the blinds, but maybe he has KA and wants someone calling with AQ, or he has KK, AA and thinking "I'm not going to try win 5% stack. I'm either doubling up or nothing but blinds." Only if he is mad or an amateur to go all in at the start of the tournament with any other hand.
The person calling before you...I can't imagine a call with less than KK since it's the start of the tournament.
So you with AA mostly will find yourself against AA and KK; KK and KK; or KA and KK; KA and AA.
This is my opinion
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Pulsar
Rock Star
Silver Level
For BB in AA this is generally a luxury all-in without hesitation,even if there are bids,this is just gorgeous! Here if you already have a couple of all-ins before you, then it is possible to reflect and figure out the odds,but they are still great and the answer would probably be the best solution,but until the second pair of aces, you can just simply not survive in the tournament,so forge iron without departing from cash Desk))))