10-10 in small blind..

Debi

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Walk through this hand with me please..... (no reads on any of the players)


pokerstars Game #23548035381: Tournament #129737093, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (125/250) - 2009/01/03 21:59:22 ET
Table '129737093 50' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: donramon9 (8935 in chips)
Seat 2: fold monkeee (5965 in chips)
Seat 3: auzzie 10 (4970 in chips)
Seat 4: so il short (10605 in chips)
Seat 5: chili2721 (2970 in chips)
Seat 6: TONY_BORJAS (10420 in chips)
Seat 7: dakota-xx (9635 in chips)
Seat 8: platter177 (15675 in chips)
Seat 9: nurseman76 (7468 in chips)
donramon9: posts the ante 25
fold monkeee: posts the ante 25
auzzie 10: posts the ante 25
so il short: posts the ante 25
chili2721: posts the ante 25
TONY_BORJAS: posts the ante 25
dakota-xx: posts the ante 25
platter177: posts the ante 25
nurseman76: posts the ante 25
dakota-xx: posts small blind 125
platter177: posts big blind 250
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dakota-xx [Tc Ts]
nurseman76: raises 250 to 500
donramon9: folds
fold monkeee: calls 500
auzzie 10: folds
so il short: calls 500
chili2721: folds
TONY_BORJAS: calls 500
dakota-xx: ???
 
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Lemlywinks

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Eh, imo a call here an see what happens on the flop. I'm guessing your about the avg?
 
Dorkus Malorkus

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call and set mine imo. folding is way too nitty and i don't like repopping OOP against an unknown UTG minraiser and 3463788 other people, at least one of whom is likely to come along for the ride.
 
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baudib1

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I think this is pretty much a set or forget it hand. Chances are high if you hit you'll double up.
 
Poker Orifice

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Yah.... weird hand for sure. Weird that utg min-raises and then the 'whole family' flatcalls. This is one of the reasons I hate the micro buyins on Stars as imo this hand is typical of them, even once the antes have kicked in. Whatever happened to bet /raise/call/shove/fold? There's rarely ever any 3-betting in them, never mind a 4-bet shove or how bout tryin' a 4-bet bluff.. joking of course on one of these tables.

I'd say 'set & bet'.. 'no set.. forget'. Because you're in against soooo many opponents. If you hit you'll more than likely do better than just double up.... all those hands in there.. someone's going to hit something they figure is good (like TPWK, or whatever.. who knows).
 
OzExorcist

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I agree with Dorkus - call and set mine. Life just gets way too messy if we raise, and the implied odds for our hand are way too good for a fold.
 
Debi

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Will post more of this hand when I can get back on my laptop in a bit.
 
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chingy3000

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definitely call and hope for the set
no point wasting 10s and it wont hurt your stack a great deal
amd if you hit, ur in the money
 
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Cobryn

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I know I'm calling here. With no reads, its almost impossible to put UTG on a hand and he's the only guy we would have a chance to get a read on. The guys who follow afterwards are most likely on speculative hands because they didnt raise.

The problem with repopping is that if UTG calls... pot odds start looking really good for everyone else, and for a big pot you dont want that many hands drawing on your 10/10.

The good thing about just calling here is that you're disguised a bit, and probably have the best hand preflop.
 
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HomeBrewer

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Agreeing with everyone else, you do not fold here. Also a re raise against three players already in the hand (oop) is really risky. You would ideally only like one caller. So see a flop and hope to see that third ten. Hope it all worked out for you.
 
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I was never considering a fold - just checking on a re-raise. And the next play...
 
bob_tiger

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Raising here without reads is a bad idea, so I agree with everyone to call and see a flop.
 
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Okay - the pre-flop action was basically a no-brainer but I thought since I was posting this hand I would get input. So I called as most of you said you would do. Now post-flop:

PokerStars Game #23548035381: Tournament #129737093, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (125/250) - 2009/01/03 21:59:22 ET
Table '129737093 50' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: donramon9 (8935 in chips)
Seat 2: fold monkeee (5965 in chips)
Seat 3: auzzie 10 (4970 in chips)
Seat 4: so il short (10605 in chips)
Seat 5: chili2721 (2970 in chips)
Seat 6: TONY_BORJAS (10420 in chips)
Seat 7: dakota-xx (9635 in chips)
Seat 8: platter177 (15675 in chips)
Seat 9: nurseman76 (7468 in chips)
donramon9: posts the ante 25
fold monkeee: posts the ante 25
auzzie 10: posts the ante 25
so il short: posts the ante 25
chili2721: posts the ante 25
TONY_BORJAS: posts the ante 25
dakota-xx: posts the ante 25
platter177: posts the ante 25
nurseman76: posts the ante 25
dakota-xx: posts small blind 125
platter177: posts big blind 250
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dakota-xx [Tc Ts]
nurseman76: raises 250 to 500
donramon9: folds
fold monkeee: calls 500
auzzie 10: folds
so il short: calls 500
chili2721: folds
TONY_BORJAS: calls 500
dakota-xx: calls 375
platter177: folds
*** FLOP *** [7d 5d 4h]
dakota-xx: ???
 
Chiefer

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I think I would check here. pot control IMO. if you bet, villain reraises, you are risking more of your chips. so i would check and let him bet, call if you feel if you are getting a good price. I wouldn't be sad to dump this to a huge bet from villain.

honestly, my gut is telling me that villain has Jacks or perhaps AK. just my gut.
 
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baudib1

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I agree but pot is too big to just let it go. call a reasonable bet to see a turn card and try to get to showdown cheaply.
 
bob_tiger

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From the pre flop action, I def agree with chiefer, check the flop let them act, from the preflop action (although with no reads) its very likely that someone has you beat with a set or an over pair. I'm most likely letting this go though.
 
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Cobryn

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Pot is 2725 at this point. You're the first to act.

I respect the above posters but I'm confused. I dont think theres a lot here that says you dont have the best hand.

If the initial raiser had jacks, is a min raise not a terrible move? If anyone else had jacks wouldnt they raise preflop to try to isolate?

I think you're in this pot with a couple of small pairs and some weak Aces. Its a 2.00 tournament. QJ and many other hands are definitely possibilities, along with much worse hands. I think you have the best hand unless someone hit a set. Whats wrong with leading out here for 1500 and possibly taking this big pot down? How terrible of a move is pushing as an alternative?

That board doesnt seem that scary to me.

I'm really thinking an overpair was raising more preflop here. But maybe I'm wrong. What action did any of these people make preflop that would make you think they had an overpair?

And if someone hit a set... A bet lets me know. Otherwise whats to stop someone else from making a continuation bet and taking control of this pot?

I dont know what makes anyone believe that 10/10 isnt the best hand here. Maybe someone can explain why this board looks that dangerous to them. Especially in a 2.00 tournament where Ax is gold to a lot of players.

If you dont bet and it gets checked around and a diamond hits the turn do you not kick yourself?
 
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bob_tiger

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Pot is 2725 at this point. You're the first to act.

I respect the above posters but I'm confused. I dont think theres a lot here that says you dont have the best hand.

If the initial raiser had jacks, is a min raise not a terrible move? If anyone else had jacks wouldnt they raise preflop to try to isolate? Not neccesarily, initial raiser may have a very strong hand, we don't have much inf on how tight or loose he is but I have seen people many people min raise from EP with high pps

I think you're in this pot with a couple of small pairs and some weak Aces. Its a 2.00 tournament. QJ and many other hands are definitely possibilities, along with much worse hands. I think you have the best hand unless someone hit a set. Whats wrong with leading out here for 1500 and possibly taking this big pot down? How terrible of a move is pushing as an alternative? We are out of position, leading at this pot is just a very bad idea, you have to realize everyones range, like you said this is a 2$ tourney, its very likely one of them has a 76 in their range, also something like QJd is way favored vs us. So therefore brings us back to your suggestion, we lead out into this pot, someone re raises this and we are pretty much clueless with no reads and lost pot control. We want to check for pot control, let the other players make a move and act based on their decision. Also if we bet, we are pretty much wasting 1500 chips, if we do go to showdown in this hand, we want it to be as cheap as possible unless we hit our set on the turn. Going all in here would be one of the stupidest moves ever tbh, we are getting called only by better hands or draws that are favored vs us, for ex QJd.

That board doesnt seem that scary to me. I explained it above about the ranges of the other players in the hand.

I'm really thinking an overpair was raising more preflop here. But maybe I'm wrong. What action did any of these people make preflop that would make you think they had an overpair? The intial raiser can easily have AA/KK/QQ/AK/AQ. also someone might have JJ and possibly just played passive and scared and decided to just see a flop.

And if someone hit a set... A bet lets me know. Otherwise whats to stop someone else from making a continuation bet and taking control of this pot?
Not neccesarily after you bet and someone reraises you don't know if they are bluffing or have a hand with no reads, thats why position is so improtant in nl.

I dont know what makes anyone believe that 10/10 isnt the best hand here. Maybe someone can explain why this board looks that dangerous to them. Especially in a 2.00 tournament where Ax is gold to a lot of players.
Already explained why the board looks so dangerous. You are right some like to play Ax, but if one of them has Axd, they are most likely not folding and have 12 outs vs us, plus back door straight and stuff like that.

If you dont bet and it gets checked around and a diamond hits the turn do you not kick yourself? No, we check again and try to get to showdown cheap, there is nothing wrong with letting this hand go and finding a better hand to get chips off.


Above ^^^
 
shinedown.45

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Walk through this hand with me please..... (no reads on any of the players)


PokerStars Game #23548035381: Tournament #129737093, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (125/250) - 2009/01/03 21:59:22 ET
Table '129737093 50' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: donramon9 (8935 in chips)
Seat 2: fold monkeee (5965 in chips)
Seat 3: auzzie 10 (4970 in chips)
Seat 4: so il short (10605 in chips)
Seat 5: chili2721 (2970 in chips)
Seat 6: TONY_BORJAS (10420 in chips)
Seat 7: dakota-xx (9635 in chips)
Seat 8: platter177 (15675 in chips)
Seat 9: nurseman76 (7468 in chips)
donramon9: posts the ante 25
fold monkeee: posts the ante 25
auzzie 10: posts the ante 25
so il short: posts the ante 25
chili2721: posts the ante 25
TONY_BORJAS: posts the ante 25
dakota-xx: posts the ante 25
platter177: posts the ante 25
nurseman76: posts the ante 25
dakota-xx: posts small blind 125
platter177: posts big blind 250
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dakota-xx [Tc Ts]
nurseman76: raises 250 to 500
donramon9: folds
fold monkeee: calls 500
auzzie 10: folds
so il short: calls 500
chili2721: folds
TONY_BORJAS: calls 500
dakota-xx: ???
This is my first time looking at this thread and have not looked any further so any response I give here is totally not results oriented.
Now my thoughts on this:
The odds alone make this an easy call IMO, If I'm not mistaken, your odds are nearly 7-1.
 
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Inscore77

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Pot is 2725 at this point. You're the first to act.

I respect the above posters but I'm confused. I dont think theres a lot here that says you dont have the best hand.

If the initial raiser had jacks, is a min raise not a terrible move? If anyone else had jacks wouldnt they raise preflop to try to isolate?

I think you're in this pot with a couple of small pairs and some weak Aces. Its a 2.00 tournament. QJ and many other hands are definitely possibilities, along with much worse hands. I think you have the best hand unless someone hit a set. Whats wrong with leading out here for 1500 and possibly taking this big pot down? How terrible of a move is pushing as an alternative?

That board doesnt seem that scary to me.

I'm really thinking an overpair was raising more preflop here. But maybe I'm wrong. What action did any of these people make preflop that would make you think they had an overpair?

And if someone hit a set... A bet lets me know. Otherwise whats to stop someone else from making a continuation bet and taking control of this pot?

I dont know what makes anyone believe that 10/10 isnt the best hand here. Maybe someone can explain why this board looks that dangerous to them. Especially in a 2.00 tournament where Ax is gold to a lot of players.

If you dont bet and it gets checked around and a diamond hits the turn do you not kick yourself?
From my exp, we are almost always never in front here. Min raises usually mean monsters, esp from villains posistion
 
bob_tiger

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This is my first time looking at this thread and have not looked any further so any response I give here is totally not results oriented.
Now my thoughts on this:
The odds alone make this an easy call IMO, If I'm not mistaken, your odds are nearly 7-1.

results are not posted...we are on the flop and we are first to act..scroll down a little :)
 
shinedown.45

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Okay - the pre-flop action was basically a no-brainer but I thought since I was posting this hand I would get input. So I called as most of you said you would do. Now post-flop:

PokerStars Game #23548035381: Tournament #129737093, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (125/250) - 2009/01/03 21:59:22 ET
Table '129737093 50' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: donramon9 (8935 in chips)
Seat 2: fold monkeee (5965 in chips)
Seat 3: auzzie 10 (4970 in chips)
Seat 4: so il short (10605 in chips)
Seat 5: chili2721 (2970 in chips)
Seat 6: TONY_BORJAS (10420 in chips)
Seat 7: dakota-xx (9635 in chips)
Seat 8: platter177 (15675 in chips)
Seat 9: nurseman76 (7468 in chips)
donramon9: posts the ante 25
fold monkeee: posts the ante 25
auzzie 10: posts the ante 25
so il short: posts the ante 25
chili2721: posts the ante 25
TONY_BORJAS: posts the ante 25
dakota-xx: posts the ante 25
platter177: posts the ante 25
nurseman76: posts the ante 25
dakota-xx: posts small blind 125
platter177: posts big blind 250
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dakota-xx [Tc Ts]
nurseman76: raises 250 to 500
donramon9: folds
fold monkeee: calls 500
auzzie 10: folds
so il short: calls 500
chili2721: folds
TONY_BORJAS: calls 500
dakota-xx: calls 375
platter177: folds
*** FLOP *** [7d 5d 4h]
dakota-xx: ???
IMO a check/fold would be kinda weak here and a bet of about 1/2+ pot would be my move.
Sure there are others who have said you should check as you have no info on other player, but what kind of info are you really getting by checking and waiting for them to bet?
I think by betting here, you will gain a better understanding of where you may stand here based on calls or other re-raises.
 
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