dg1267
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
Stu_Ungar
Legend
Silver Level
It probably is linked to an affiliate, its just you are now aware of this.
Stu_Ungar
Legend
Silver Level
Me too.
So, does this mean there's no way to get it forever and ever and ever?
Unfortunately, yes it means no RB.
They are not lying to you when they say your account is linked to an affiliate.
pokerman27
Visionary
Silver Level
I can assure you it is not. Tell me how it could be and I'm not aware? Plus RBPs did not mention another affiliate as being the reason for my lack of rakeback.
Stu_Ungar
Legend
Silver Level
1. Cookies
2. An affiliate embedded link.
3. An affiliates bonus code.
If you go to any RB site, their signing up instructions will tell you to
1. Delete all cookies immediately prior to signing up.
2. Either type the address in yourself or follow the link on their site, and their site only.
3. Do not use any bonus code as it may also be linked to an affiliate.
So unless you did those three steps then it is highly likely that you have signed up using an affiliate code that you were unaware of.
pokerman27
Visionary
Silver Level
Well this confirms it for me. I definitely am not linked to another affiliate, but as I say this isn't their reason for my refusal.
Stu_Ungar
Legend
Silver Level
So you can confirm that immediately prior to signing up for a FT account you deleted all cookies?
What perplexes me is if you knew that you had to delete all cookies then you would have signed up via a RB affiliate and therefore wouldn't be attempting to convert your account to a RB account at a later date.
So I don't believe you deleted all cookies.
pokerman27
Visionary
Silver Level
I'm not really interested in what you believe. When signing up to FTP I wasn't aware of affiliates otherwise I would have used one. And as for deleting cookies this is done automatically on a daily basis.
Stu_Ungar
Legend
Silver Level
pokerman27
Visionary
Silver Level
Steady on cookie police
Even if I didn't do it immediately what does it matter if I have never visited an affiliate site?
Stu_Ungar
Legend
Silver Level
Steady on cookie police
Even if I didn't do it immediately what does it matter if I have never visited an affiliate site?
Because you may well have visited an affiliate site, you just weren't aware of it.
Some of these affiliates are sneaky they just need to get a cookie on your machine and then they get paid for the rest of your poker playing days! There is money to be made by duping people in this way.
MDTed
Legend
Silver Level
Me too.
So, does this mean there's no way to get it forever and ever and ever?
Actually I wrote them after I got that message asking what criteria I was lacking in to get rakeback and their response was that they couldn't take every player who applied but they keep your information and when they can offer it to you they will.
It all seems very hit or miss. I'm wondering if there really are any rules on who they offer it to or if they just do a random number of people that apply every day.
The letter I got back didn't answer my question about what I was lacking. So I'm going to write again to Full Tilt.
I just won't play there except the occasional CC game or OFC until I do get it. There are other sites that aren't so ridiculous to play on.
pokerman27
Visionary
Silver Level
So by this rationale there is an affiliate currently making money off of me that FTP must be aware of? So if that affiliate is a rakeback one then I should be able to contact them for rakeback?
Debi
Forum Admin
Administrator
It may not be a rakeback site - there are other types of affiliates. Cardschat is an affiliate.
Your biggest problem is that FT will not tell you which affiliate you are linked to. I had to jump through hoops to get them to finally admit who mine was so I could benefit from the games they offer. It took about 1.5 years. So good luck!
PC69
Legend
Silver Level
Imo if there not willing to give everyone Rakeback on a fair basis then noone should get it.. I get rakeback and it irritates me a little that I had to send one email to fulltilt and one email to rakebackpros and I had it right away, yet others send one after another and dont even get a response. Its not right.. I know its there site and they can do whatever they want but ppl should stand up that are getting rakeback and say something..
Seems kinda shaddy to me
Seems kinda shaddy to me
dg1267
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
On that PC...
I did send them a letter saying I would no longer deposit there because of the unfair rules that seem to be being dealt out concerning r/b. Of course I got the obligatory canned response, but it made me feel better. And I won't deposit there more until they fix this. I have other sites I can play on that give me r/b... it just makes no sense to spend it at FT.
Edit: Just typing the first part of this post pissed me off enough to go write another nasty response to their affiliate support. That made me feel better too. You guys should try it.
I did send them a letter saying I would no longer deposit there because of the unfair rules that seem to be being dealt out concerning r/b. Of course I got the obligatory canned response, but it made me feel better. And I won't deposit there more until they fix this. I have other sites I can play on that give me r/b... it just makes no sense to spend it at FT.
Edit: Just typing the first part of this post pissed me off enough to go write another nasty response to their affiliate support. That made me feel better too. You guys should try it.
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PC69
Legend
Silver Level
I dont doubt u sent them a email.. I know others have sent countless emails and dont even get a damn response.. If it takes one email from me then imo it should only take one from everyone else.. This whole affiliate thing seems like a cop-out by FTP and RBP.. But what do i know..
Stu_Ungar
Legend
Silver Level
Its unlikely they are a RB affiliate, but they probably have free-rolls you can enter
Stu_Ungar
Legend
Silver Level
On that PC...
I did send them a letter saying I would no longer deposit there because of the unfair rules that seem to be being dealt out concerning r/b. Of course I got the obligatory canned response, but it made me feel better. And I won't deposit there more until they fix this. I have other sites I can play on that give me r/b... it just makes no sense to spend it at FT.
Edit: Just typing the first part of this post pissed me off enough to go write another nasty response to their affiliate support. That made me feel better too. You guys should try it.
I dont think you realise why it is you cant get RB having signed up with a non-RB affilliate.
FT enters into an agreement with the affiliate to give them a percentage of your rake in return for introducing you to the site. This is a form of targeted advertising. Rather than FT spending more of its revenue on advertising, it simply pays affiliates for getting you to sign up.
Once you sign up via an affiliate (and you may not have realised that's what you were doing, but you did, at some point visit an affiliate site and soon after sign up, so it does work) the affiliate has honoured their part of the deal, and for that FT agree to pay them some of your rake.
A RB affiliate does exactly the same, but they have agreed a deal whereby you opt out of all the free stuff the site gives you and instead they get a larger amount of money from FT. They then pay you a large chunk of this as RB and keep a small amount for themselves as profit (which will be about the same amount of profit as the other kinds of affiliate).
FT cannot terminate the agreement with the affiliate. If you had RB via a RB affiliate they couldn't terminate that one either.
So once you sign up via an affiliate (RB or non RB) you are stuck with that affiliate for life, because that is the deal they have with all affiliates for introducing you to FT. They cant give you RB because they cant get out of paying the people you first signed up with. The affiliate you signed up with wont terminate the agreement either because once you sign up, that's their bit done, and they expect to be paid for it.
dg1267
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
I understand perfectly. But from some of the reading I've done on this site and another big site, people who signed up through an affiliate have been getting rakeback. Why they are getting it, when others can't is unknown. So this is what I'm upset about. I understand what the affiliates role is in all of it.
Stu_Ungar
Legend
Silver Level
Who originally signed up via a non-RB affiliate and now gets RB?
I have never heard of anyone being able to do this.
People who didnt sign up via an affiliate are able too get RB at FT via RakebackPros.
Can you post some links where people are stating they signed up via a non-RB affiliate and were able to change.