The World Against Online Poker

[crimsonblur]

Poker is a great game and I wish everyone would just love it and accept it as much as I do.

 

[VIP_TARIFF]

Recently China has announced that it will ban online poker and now I have just read on CardsChat an article about the German treatise on the end of online games. In this article, he highlights the performance of PokerStars with DVTM, to fight against this deal.
The treaty aims to prohibit betting online and allow only horse races, this in my opinion is a bias, because if it is then prohibited to prohibit everything.
It's just the state to identify players online and collect taxes from these players, it would be better, since the games generate revenue.

for the state of online games do not bring income. I don’t understand why they forbid people to play online, we have banned casinos in Russia and allocated only 4 months for them, people coming from work have a rest in poker and thus still earn a good life, and they select the last piece of bread, condolences countries where online poker is prohibited.

 

[voli106]

in Russia, too, but the ban in Sochi play as so

 

[ekenshinx]

It all depends on a good negotiation of the websites operators with the governments. Now in terms of transparency poker still has to grow a lot.

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[anderson697]

What you want to achieve with this type of law, is that large online gaming sites pay taxes, and that players do too. I believe that prohibiting it is not the best way to press for this to be achieved. Although I am sure that they will start to give licenses to the website and start creating a monopoly.

 

[Souza322]

thats no the answer, they can get taxes or something else

 

[whiskers77]

I am glad, that I met none of them at the tables. I even would not want to meet them, honestly. It would mean to me, that I have less chance to win......

 

[Entrik]

Yes, I completely agree, if poker wants to close, then let all gambling casinos close

 

[takinitSLEAZEE]

This is an issue close to my little black heart. I live in Texas where every single "vice" (except tobacco and alcohol) are deemed illegal/immoral. Although w/this being the case there is absolutely no shortage of live poker games, underground distillers, pot growers, and whorehouses in Texas or in the U.S. in general, for that fact. If a commodity is sought after then it will be available in any form, legal or not. Now, with that being 'said' watch your asses; lest we forget about April 15, 2011. The unthinkable can happen; point and case,our president.

China is a communist nation w/a tight grasp on the freedoms of it's citizens. The U.S. is a capitalist nation w/a preempted pointed finger for it's citizens and an underlying message: DON'T GET CAUGHT! Good luck, everybody.

 

[fernandovr]

brazil has grown the number of players due to online gambling, there are no casinos and few events and because it is a huge country the events can be in distant places. I do not believe they can ban the online game, but if that happens, unfortunately, poker will lose several players.

 

[aj88xa869]

I think as players we must be honest with ourselves and others by acknowledging that Poker does destroy some people. For those who have no skills in the game, and do not study to become winning players, it can be just as destructive as roulette or blackjack (for them). There are people with a people with a concealed gambling problem who hide it in Poker knowing they can defend their activities as not being purely chance. This enables them to continue their addiction without ever having to face that they have a problem. This is a Zero sum game. For every 'great day' we have at the tables, someone else has just had a miserable day. It's important to remember that. Don't get me wrong, I love Poker and wouldn't be here on this forum if I didn't. But as an aspiring professional player I have to acknowledge the danger it presents to some people, and the destruction it brings to their finances and sometimes their families and friends.
Governments who have a large number of people in their country who are hopelessly addicted to certain gambling games feel it is their duty to protect people from themselves. Some 3rd world ish countries have the technology to provide the Internet and computers needed to play online poker. Unfortunately many participants will not have had the same quality of education or common financial sense as others. They tend to be quickly defeated by more privileged opponents who have access to more resources. But we have to also admit that Poker can cause severe social and financial issues when played by the wrong people. No one wants to admit this or even say it because there is a conflict of interest in doing so. The best players know that their profits come from other players mistakes. So it wouldn't do their bottom lines any good to begin 'protecting' these weak players from themselves. And that's why you'll rarely ever hear any pros giving an opinion on this issue. A moral objection to weak players being targeted and exploited could be one of the reasons for a ban.


Now lets respond to that by asking why that same country hasn't banned tobacco and Alcohol if it cares so deeply about its people's well being? The very simple answer is TAX. Every country makes billions from smokes and drink in taxes. Most online Poker companies and providers are registered on desert islands in tax haven countries, to protect them from losing money to revenue. I think one of the main things that gets Poker banned is the tax issue.The main issue they have with it is that it's providing a way for money to LEAVE their economy without being taxed or circulating around again. This isn't a problem for countries with a high number of winning online players because those players are bringing money in! Which then gets spent there. But gambling sites could be a big problem for countries with millions of losing players as that money isn't coming back and their country already can't afford to lose it. Another reason is that some countries have religious and moral objections to Poker and other gambling games, but my gut tells me this is mainly a tax and business issue


Overall, I think it's a personal choice to play this game or not. And should not be interfered with by governments.

VERY well said! As usual someone here on CC puts the exact perspective I agree with into good words. Awesome man 100% with you on that. Tobacco and Alcohol kill about 1million people per year along with ruining many others lives whom often are innocent but affected by their loved ones or an accident.

 

[Casecrs]

I love Convenience!

I love the fact i can play at home on my own time!! I also like to choose to play poker or not, its a game.

 

[Andrey Krok]

What about traiding and banking, credits, taxation.. Ban it and legalize marijuana) Seriously now it's inposible, couse we can use proxy or vpn. They can make it not legally, but can't stop game.

 

[Zorba]

Jeez just to have the ability to play freerolls would be great, I don't care about depositing or withdrawing any funds from freerolls... do not care, just wish I could play freerolls not this stupid play money sh#t lol .......... but yeah limit deposits to one per month and put a cap on it, so large deposits cannot be made.. max $40 USD ......... also why not, a holding time set to the funds once deposited............ so you can't play asap once you deposit, stop addicted players waiting to hit the tables... gotta wait, relax and get on with life - work, kids, home life etc etc not poker, poker, poker lol

I'm an Aussie also, I'm in Vic, where are you?

I play at both of these sites but mainly stick to BCP

Download either one of these sites, they are on the same network and most games can be played from either site, you can play freerolls all day long and if you win you can withdraw.

Cardschat has $100 Daily freerolls there that start at 12 noon EST at the moment, when daylight savings finishes they start at 10am EST and the Weekends (Sunday and Monday morning for us) they start 9am EST

There also is a monthly $250 freeroll also.

Download here ---->AmericasCardroom or here Black Chip Poker

CardsChat also has games that we as Aussies can also play at intertops, CardsChat has a $100 freeroll there on Sunday Morning our time at 9am EST at the moment and after daylight savings finishes they start at 7am Sunday EST

Intertops <---------- download here

There are more but I only play the CardsChat games nowadays, ACR and BCP have $10 On Demand Freerolls starting when 270 people register, and that is very often, the play is crap at the beggining and for most of the game you will find craziness, they also have other freerolls that can win you tickets to the next game in that series.

Ignore the bastards in Canberra and the bullshit that flows from there, they didn't amend the laws to prevent addicted gamblers from playing, it always has been legal for us to play and it still is, it only is illegal for the sites to provide services to us. The only reason is to get tax from it, eventually the big sites will return and will be licenced and pay tax.

:rock:

 

[okeedokalee]

I am ahead of online poker by several thousand.
However I'm a degenerate gambler when it comes to horse racing, particularly when I was younger. Definitely not a winner on the donkeys, if the politicians were honest that would be the form of gambling banned.
I know of nobody addicted to poker but when it comes to racing and poker machines I know and know of at least 10 people, both men and women.
Politicians find it hard to tax online poker that is why they ban it.
They get plenty of revenue from the other forms of gambling.

 

[pirateglenn]

The question is and will always be Income related and Tax.

If a government stands to benefit from income, they will accept many things and make many necessary laws, if they will not benefit, they will ban or restrict or make it as difficult as possible for an operator to provide a service.
The larger a business gets, the more people want to see it fail or want to control it, pokerstars generates millions if not billions of dollars every year...every one wants a piece of that pie and governments and legislating authorities know, no market, no profit..

 

[Souza322]

OMG, this is always complicated. I don't know why they do this, they can do a lot of things like get taxes or something, why they need to fight with poker? it's better to take advantage of that

 

[kddy]

I think that the governments that try to eliminate poker online are because it is a game of people against people, instead of a person against the casinos. And it does not give them the profits they want, because they do not eliminate horse races? as you say if the intention is to prevent people from becoming "addicted" they should eliminate everything related to online gambling

 

[FanatsLV]

About china im not sorry because almost dont see any chinese player at poker sites what im ussing but germany would be big loss for everybody.

 

[Alexander Rubcov]

Poker will live forever and go to the Islands of Bahamas, Caribbean, Macau,where the laws allow gambling.

 

[JeetsMcskeets89]

pokerstars

I literally pray pokerstars comes back to the united states I'm leightweight tempted to move where its legal.. i miss it so much

 

[M13A13]

I do not think it's fair for the Chinese government to prevent its people from playing poker.
China has been the most potent Asian country. I think the Chinese need world poker.

 

[Pharaoh39]

I just want online poker to be back what it was. It's a shame that old as well as new players can't enjoy the game. Not everyone has access to casinos.

 

[hellomynameiswhat]

I am ahead of online poker by several thousand.
However I'm a degenerate gambler when it comes to horse racing, particularly when I was younger. Definitely not a winner on the donkeys, if the politicians were honest that would be the form of gambling banned.
I know of nobody addicted to poker but when it comes to racing and poker machines I know and know of at least 10 people, both men and women.
Politicians find it hard to tax online poker that is why they ban it.
They get plenty of revenue from the other forms of gambling.

very interesting thread
I like this post in particular. Even though it is a bit anecdotal, 10 people is still a lot of people.

 

[KristaK]

I am ahead of online poker by several thousand.
However I'm a degenerate gambler when it comes to horse racing, particularly when I was younger. Definitely not a winner on the donkeys, if the politicians were honest that would be the form of gambling banned.
I know of nobody addicted to poker but when it comes to racing and poker machines I know and know of at least 10 people, both men and women.
Politicians find it hard to tax online poker that is why they ban it.
They get plenty of revenue from the other forms of gambling.

if i can give my opinion on this.
Seems many Americans with their new socialist (democrat) leanings, are certain that they can legislate and tell the rest of the citizens what is good and bad, right and wrong
government knows best right? WTF? no way - opposite is true... government rules and knows best see Cuba, China, North Korea

DO NOT ALLOW THIS USA people.. your history and heritage is individual rights and protection of God given freedoms
who the hell is some government bureaucrat to decide for you, your life and your family?
Reagan said it best .. the worst thing you can ever hear is: "hi I am from the government and I here to help you"
Europe and canada have lost it.. you USA people are on the verge

if you think socialism works go see Venezuela
KEEP GOVERNMENT THE HELL OUT OF OUR LIVES