The World Against Online Poker

[deform fedot]

In Ukraine poker is officially a sport. And about Colombia and Australia this is a worse mood(

 

[iosif18]

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They want to move away online poker in order to make casino more profitable....Online poker has reduce entries at live poker tournaments the last years as a result they want to hit it .Money moves the world .......

 

[xpvictor1]

Responsible gambling is important

Poker is not unlike horse races and lottery tickets and bingo and all kinds of gambling, however each individual must be responsible with their gambling. The scary part of online poker is that there are no controls to stop someone from blowing up their entire financial situation and life in general. But we cannot run someone's life for them, they must have freedom of choice.

 

[mitroff]

Sad to read about fighting online poker. Why do not block access to pay for different MMORPG, shooters, world of tanks. I think there are double standards in its purest form. Online poker is played by full-age people who themselves have the right to manage their money and be responsible for their actions.

 

[rafffinamore]

They want to move away online poker in order to make casino more profitable....Online poker has reduce entries at live poker tournaments the last years as a result they want to hit it .Money moves the world .......

I believe in that. Online poker makes things a lot easier for anyone who wants to play, because you can do it in the comfort of your home or with a portable handset. Certainly the profit of the physical casinos must have reduced a lot and this must be pressing the authorities around the world.

 

[Poker Orifice]

Poker is not unlike horse races and lottery tickets and bingo and all kinds of gambling

I disagree with you on this ^

Sure it has the potential for what you are saying but imo it is also very unlike other forms of gambling.... this is due to the skill component.
I have what one might call 'an addictive personality'.. or 'prone to addiction' but I have never become even remotely addicted to the 'gambling' element in poker. There were times where I would say I had become enthralled & perhaps even obsessed by the game... but even then the draw for me wasn't the 'gambling part' of the game. My interest was in the competitive nature of the game which fueled my desire to become a good player (I might've purchased over 50 poker books 10yrs. ago, lol). So for me, poker is very unlike other forms of gambling.
(sidenote - When I go to Vegas or a Casino, I look around & see a lot of misery... like a thick black mist floating above the crowd, sucking their souls from them. I never play any game or anything aside from Poker. It's all about poker for me. And it's not about the money or gambling with it... if it was I'd play high (higher) stakes... or would 'try to' play higher stakes)

 

[brettlums]

I disagree with you on this ^

Sure it has the potential for what you are saying but imo it is also very unlike other forms of gambling.... this is due to the skill component.
I have what one might call 'an addictive personality'.. or 'prone to addiction' but I have never become even remotely addicted to the 'gambling' element in poker. There were times where I would say I had become enthralled & perhaps even obsessed by the game... but even then the draw for me wasn't the 'gambling part' of the game. My interest was in the competitive nature of the game which fueled my desire to become a good player (I might've purchased over 50 poker books 10yrs. ago, lol). So for me, poker is very unlike other forms of gambling.
(sidenote - When I go to Vegas or a Casino, I look around & see a lot of misery... like a thick black mist floating above the crowd, sucking their souls from them. I never play any game or anything aside from Poker. It's all about poker for me. And it's not about the money or gambling with it... if it was I'd play high (higher) stakes... or would 'try to' play higher stakes)

You hit the nail on the head. Poker is intended to be a skill game as long as you're playing correctly. But there is also a gambler's aspect if you're punting every hand preflop without factoring in your hole cards

 

[revizor]

I think as players we must be honest with ourselves and others by acknowledging that Poker does destroy some people. For those who have no skills in the game, and do not study to become winning players, it can be just as destructive as roulette or blackjack (for them). There are people with a people with a concealed gambling problem who hide it in Poker knowing they can defend their activities as not being purely chance. This enables them to continue their addiction without ever having to face that they have a problem. This is a Zero sum game. For every 'great day' we have at the tables, someone else has just had a miserable day. It's important to remember that. Don't get me wrong, I love Poker and wouldn't be here on this forum if I didn't. But as an aspiring professional player I have to acknowledge the danger it presents to some people, and the destruction it brings to their finances and sometimes their families and friends.
Governments who have a large number of people in their country who are hopelessly addicted to certain gambling games feel it is their duty to protect people from themselves. Some 3rd world ish countries have the technology to provide the Internet and computers needed to play online poker. Unfortunately many participants will not have had the same quality of education or common financial sense as others. They tend to be quickly defeated by more privileged opponents who have access to more resources. But we have to also admit that Poker can cause severe social and financial issues when played by the wrong people. No one wants to admit this or even say it because there is a conflict of interest in doing so. The best players know that their profits come from other players mistakes. So it wouldn't do their bottom lines any good to begin 'protecting' these weak players from themselves. And that's why you'll rarely ever hear any pros giving an opinion on this issue. A moral objection to weak players being targeted and exploited could be one of the reasons for a ban.


Now lets respond to that by asking why that same country hasn't banned tobacco and Alcohol if it cares so deeply about its people's well being? The very simple answer is TAX. Every country makes billions from smokes and drink in taxes. Most online Poker companies and providers are registered on desert islands in tax haven countries, to protect them from losing money to revenue. I think one of the main things that gets Poker banned is the tax issue.The main issue they have with it is that it's providing a way for money to LEAVE their economy without being taxed or circulating around again. This isn't a problem for countries with a high number of winning online players because those players are bringing money in! Which then gets spent there. But gambling sites could be a big problem for countries with millions of losing players as that money isn't coming back and their country already can't afford to lose it. Another reason is that some countries have religious and moral objections to Poker and other gambling games, but my gut tells me this is mainly a tax and business issue


Overall, I think it's a personal choice to play this game or not. And should not be interfered with by governments.

I agree with you in that part that these are tax issues. And of course I agree that this is a private matter. Poker players who do not earn a living by this, but those who winn, more than the non-taxable amount, do not consider it necessary to pay, since this is their additional income. And it is difficult to identify many such players, especially if the servers and so on are not located in this country. In turn, a room located in another country will not pay tax on the buy-in of such players, or even more so for the amounts won by them. Because there is a vicious circle. And it's easier for them to ban than to try to administer it. Moreover, the risks for the population can be calculated here, and China has already encountered this.

 

[kmeta98]

Banning online poker

Even in Albania (Europe) it is banned by the government to play online poker

 

[riverokker]

No ban online poker!

Its nuts to ban online poker. Let everyone play!:top:

 

[kkonicke]

The biggest obstacle for online poker seems to be governments getting what they feel is their cut. Second biggest obstacle is brick and mortar casinos filling the pockets of a handful of politicians to keep online poker illegal. Solve those 2, online poker will be legal everywhere.

 

[Poker Orifice]

What is the difference for a server computer between 10K player freeroll tournament and 5K player tournament with 100K grtd prize pool? There is no difference. In both cases server will consume 1-2 KiloWatts of energy and will download/upload several gygabytes of traffic.
Then, why the freeroll is free, but in case of 100K tourney, the poker room earns minimum 10K profit?

Isn't it obvious that the fair way is to pay monthly fee and play tournaments with no rake? $10K profit during 7 hours of 100K tournament? Seriously? You can hire 30 live dealers and pay them $200 per day, spend $6k on it and still have 4K profit in case of the live tourney... BUT in caase of online tournament, 99% of rake money is the profit.

All money deposited today will be casinos money 10 days later.

Another thing is money laundring through online poker. Stolen credit cards, bank accounts and online wallets are washed through online poker... Hackers simply lose stolen money to their own accounts or to the partners accounts, very often it happens right at the victims PC. Victim catches a virus, and hacker takes control of his PC, casino, policce and victim can't do anything about it... you can't prove anything.

Now, when you've paid with your credit card at some online shop, and this shop was hacked, some hacker has stolen all information from the database. Or he got acces to your account at your home PC... Doesn't matter. AND he starts playing with your money at the poker tables, losing your money to his partners. What can you prove in this case? "It wasn't me" "I haven't lost $4K, I've never played poker in my life" "Someone hacked my PC" ???? Casino will laugh, Police will laugh, in most of the cases they simply don't start the investigation if the stolen sum was less than certain amount, and hackers know about it.

I know personally one guy who was a victim of such. Some hacker had access to my friends PC, installed sort of proxy server and spent my friends bankroll at 888(pacificpoker) in just few minutes playing 3 HU SNG games, one of the opponents was hackers partner. But the support team at 888 has found nothing unusual, cause games been played using my friends PC and his iP...

I was a victim of online fraud, but not related to poker, used my debit card at wrong site... I guess they have partner programs or something, cause $270 waporised from my card, and there was approximatively 120 transactions 1-5$ each at different sites and billings.

Online Poker in its current form is a massive fraud. Together with online casinos. For example PokerStars software costs several millions of dollars, so they make several millions each day in form of rake. It doesn't matter if you're a winning or losing player, what matters is if you're depositing money = you're a fool. The absolute winner is the casino or poker room. The second winner is a hacker who plays using your money. The third winner is a freeroll player who made his way up using his time, which is also money. Rest of the players are 100% losers. Even the one who deposited 1K and turned it to 1 million during a year. The fortune smiled for him, but his life is ruined now if he won't invest into something real, but will keep playing at higher limits. Statistics say that 80% of startups in business are failing during first year. Statistics in poker say that 99% of players are failing again and again. Those who play live poker and online poker, usually see the difference, hitting a set on flop and slowplaying it in live poker = always a profit, hitting a set and slowplaying it in online poker = always or very often a bad beat, cause for strange reason agression is very often getting rewarded.

Assuming it all, it's no wonder that some countries are restricting online poker and casinos. Instead of becoming scientists, engineers, sportsmans... people are staring at pixels on their screens and believe that these pixels are cards, calculating odds and outs for a deck of cards that doesn't even exist in reality. :elefant:

This ^ is strictly conjecture.
You spout off about hackers & other players taking control over one's computer like this is a regular occurrence but how about giving us ONE example of it? I've played online poker for over a dozen years, know a lot of players, have participated on a number of poker forums & have followed countless number of regs. throughout those years. I have NEVER even once heard of stuff happening that you're suggesting is a regular thing.

Also, your reasoning in regards to why is there fees in online tournaments... suggesting what expenses warrant those fees... & then making some reference to electrical power consumption by servers. What a joke! To even make such a comment shows how ignorant you truly are about the business. I mean if it is that cheap to run a poker site then why haven't a large number of new ones swooped in to take over from pokerstars?

Another post that should be marked & sent to the MEGA Thread imo.

 

[Poker Orifice]

If it was as easy as slashing rake fees, one would think there'd be some rising sites for players to choose from.
I believe one could assume that setting tourney fees at 5 to 10% depending upon the format, is a reasonable amount. If it could be done for much cheaper, don't you think there'd be new sites jumping in to steal players from the existing sites? Marketing costs have got to be HUGE! (never mind all of the other expenses).

Maybe you could jump into Phil Galfond's thread... & let him know your thoughts about running a poker site?

 

[finaltable1]

This ^ is strictly conjecture.
You spout off about hackers & other players taking control over one's computer like this is a regular occurrence but how about giving us ONE example of it? I've played online poker for over a dozen years, know a lot of players, have participated on a number of poker forums & have followed countless number of regs. throughout those years. I have NEVER even once heard of stuff happening that you're suggesting is a regular thing.

Also, your reasoning in regards to why is there fees in online tournaments... suggesting what expenses warrant those fees... & then making some reference to electrical power consumption by servers. What a joke! To even make such a comment shows how ignorant you truly are about the business. I mean if it is that cheap to run a poker site then why haven't a large number of new ones swooped in to take over from Pokerstars?

Another post that should be marked & sent to the MEGA Thread imo.

pfff... If you're living on a planet with a different force of gravity, then you might be thinking that such force of gravity is all around the universe. There is a difference between objective and subjective thinking.
Ever registered at carders forums when they've been free? I guess you can find some of these free forums still. Not sure, but you can try to. I've been searching for life hacks when i've discovered the meaning of the word about 10-12 years ago, and I've found a bounch of carders forums, registered at 2 biggest of them, one was russian the other one was english, as i speak both of the languages, I've found that both forums are simmilar. And Carders forums are not about playing cards you know, but about other plastic ones, and people there are playing for money without risks, without flops, pairs and rest of the things that you've studied for dozen of years. They're playing with socks, proxies, vpn, virtual windows, and they don't buy big pair on the river, they buy and sell thousands of personal infos, such as ssns, dobs and banking info... They're filling tax return instead of you and get your money to a virtual visa card... They're using stolen cards with cvv to transfer money through payment systems, buy tickets, deposit and lose at gambling sites and so on. For one single purpose = profit. I've seen with my eyes, for more than 2 years tens of threads at such forums like "will accept your loss at titan/party/PS/pacificpoker for 45% over neteller or webmoney or some other payment system".
There was an explanation article at both russian and american forum on how to gamble without risks, you buy some stolen card for 2-3$, buy a socks5(proxy alternative) for 20cents with physical address in the stolen card victim area, and you also need to buy a software that changes your windows mac address and other details without reinstalling the windows, you can use windows xp, but any site that you will visit will think that you're at mac OS or linux or win7 with this software... the price for it was $1000... I believe that If I had that $1000 back there - I would buy it and start doing it, but I had no free money and it prevented me from doing illegal things... But anyway. You spend like 5$ to register and deposit $500 into poker site under someone elses name.. That article explaned that the best you can do with this account with fresh $500 is to play heads up for all $500, and if you will lose - just forget about it and move on with new card to creating new account, your actual loss is $5. But if you win heads up, you will have $900. Then you need to withdraw $500 back to the card, and lose remaining $400 to your other account which can be used for withdrawal. They had threads for partner seeking there LOL. Many threads for many poker rooms...

I'm not talking about single person in single country, I'm talking about tens of paid ads at both russian and american forums, and back there I've registered at just 2 forums, while there was about 30 of them or maybe more. There was a news article about fraud in online gambling, it was a copy/paste from official government web site. Total number of money washed through online poker sites was above 10 billions of dollars, and that was in 2007-2008. You can find these articles and reports and I believe that you can find hacker\carder forum to see it with your own eyes. Such shadow industry will always exist, cause some people know how to bypass security of any system. Most of them don't even change their ip/system, they're doing what they want directly from victims PC. If you don't know it and never heard about it - does it means that it doesn't exist?

I haven't done anything illegal using these forums, was reading articles and ads that people placed there... Except for one almost illegal thing, I wasn't able to buy things on ebay, cause paypal wasn't allowed in my country. But I was instructed by a hacker from the forum and I've rented a PO box at one address in state of NY using the money that I've exchanged to PayPal from WebMoney... That company who sold the PO boxes was re-shipping company, had to pay them for the box and separately for each parcel. I've also paid for VPN and bought socks5 when I wanted to browse items at american ebay, and I bought a generated account at ebay associated with address that I've rented. Hacker instructed me how to change my windows to look like it's american system, so that ebay won't block me. And it worked for 1.5 years, Until one day I've decided to try and sell something, and they've blocked my account and asked for verification, which obvioucly was impossible to do. Too bad that these hackers have changed registration from free to paid and my account at the forum was blocked for several months of inactivity... American forum was closed by authorities... It was years ago. I think that since then many things have changed, for example the number of fraud actions, I believe that it has increased.


GL there with your personal force of gravity.:wink:

 

[Poker Orifice]

pfff... If you're living on a planet with a different force of gravity, then you might be thinking that such force of gravity is all around the universe. There is a difference between objective and subjective thinking.
Ever registered at carders forums when they've been free? I guess you can find some of these free forums still. Not sure, but you can try to. I've been searching for life hacks when i've discovered the meaning of the word about 10-12 years ago, and I've found a bounch of carders forums, registered at 2 biggest of them, one was russian the other one was english, as i speak both of the languages, I've found that both forums are simmilar. And Carders forums are not about playing cards you know, but about other plastic ones, and people there are playing for money without risks, without flops, pairs and rest of the things that you've studied for dozen of years. They're playing with socks, proxies, vpn, virtual windows, and they don't buy big pair on the river, they buy and sell thousands of personal infos, such as ssns, dobs and banking info... They're filling tax return instead of you and get your money to a virtual visa card... They're using stolen cards with cvv to transfer money through payment systems, buy tickets, deposit and lose at gambling sites and so on. For one single purpose = profit. I've seen with my eyes, for more than 2 years tens of threads at such forums like "will accept your loss at titan/party/PS/pacificpoker for 45% over neteller or webmoney or some other payment system".
There was an explanation article at both russian and american forum on how to gamble without risks, you buy some stolen card for 2-3$, buy a socks5(proxy alternative) for 20cents with physical address in the stolen card victim area, and you also need to buy a software that changes your windows mac address and other details without reinstalling the windows, you can use windows xp, but any site that you will visit will think that you're at mac OS or Linux or win7 with this software... the price for it was $1000... I believe that If I had that $1000 back there - I would buy it and start doing it, but I had no free money and it prevented me from doing illegal things... But anyway. You spend like 5$ to register and deposit $500 into poker site under someone elses name.. That article explaned that the best you can do with this account with fresh $500 is to play heads up for all $500, and if you will lose - just forget about it and move on with new card to creating new account, your actual loss is $5. But if you win heads up, you will have $900. Then you need to withdraw $500 back to the card, and lose remaining $400 to your other account which can be used for withdrawal. They had threads for partner seeking there LOL. Many threads for many poker rooms...

I'm not talking about single person in single country, I'm talking about tens of paid ads at both russian and american forums, and back there I've registered at just 2 forums, while there was about 30 of them or maybe more. There was a news article about fraud in online gambling, it was a copy/paste from official government web site. Total number of money washed through online poker sites was above 10 billions of dollars, and that was in 2007-2008. You can find these articles and reports and I believe that you can find hacker\carder forum to see it with your own eyes. Such shadow industry will always exist, cause some people know how to bypass security of any system. Most of them don't even change their ip/system, they're doing what they want directly from victims PC. If you don't know it and never heard about it - does it means that it doesn't exist?

I haven't done anything illegal using these forums, was reading articles and ads that people placed there... Except for one almost illegal thing, I wasn't able to buy things on ebay, cause PayPal wasn't allowed in my country. But I was instructed by a hacker from the forum and I've rented a PO box at one address in state of NY using the money that I've exchanged to PayPal from WebMoney... That company who sold the PO boxes was re-shipping company, had to pay them for the box and separately for each parcel. I've also paid for VPN and bought socks5 when I wanted to browse items at american ebay, and I bought a generated account at ebay associated with address that I've rented. Hacker instructed me how to change my windows to look like it's american system, so that ebay won't block me. And it worked for 1.5 years, Until one day I've decided to try and sell something, and they've blocked my account and asked for verification, which obvioucly was impossible to do. Too bad that these hackers have changed registration from free to paid and my account at the forum was blocked for several months of inactivity... American forum was closed by authorities... It was years ago. I think that since then many things have changed, for example the number of fraud actions, I believe that it has increased.


GL there with your personal force of gravity.:wink:

So... if you had $1,000 of disposable income on hand, you would've invested in this? And make a bunch of money.. BUT you didn't. Am I right? LoL

So this person who then dumps the $400 (or whatever)... how does this affect me? Maybe he spews it off on a table I'm on. Isnt' this a 'good thing'?

You know what's really odd, for many years when I played tournaments more often, I would regularly rail the big sunday games on FTP & Stars (& the $1k Monday on FTP). Even as a non-competitor I would regularly recognize 7 to 8 of the 9 players on the table I would be viewing. Did I just fluke out and watch games that never had these others playing in them?

Curious, why not put some of that time & effort into studying & getting better at the game?

 

[Poker Orifice]

& fwiw, I'm going to return to my little planet here (they call it Earth) and can't promise I can spend any more time on your posts. I'm going to use mine on putting in a bit of 'study time'. This is what I do because I enjoy it.. AND because it seems to pay off for me. It's kind of like an investment... I put in some time & I take out some money (&/or enjoyment). How bout yourself? Are you finding the game 'enjoyable'?

 

[Kenzie 96]

Colin, having seen several videos of your nephew skiing, I gotta say, Finialtable1 does have a point about you & yours living in a place with a different force of gravity.

 

[finaltable1]

So... if you had $1,000 of disposable income on hand, you would've invested in this? And make a bunch of money.. BUT you didn't. Am I right? LoL

So this person who then dumps the $400 (or whatever)... how does this affect me? Maybe he spews it off on a table I'm on. Isnt' this a 'good thing'?

You know what's really odd, for many years when I played tournaments more often, I would regularly rail the big sunday games on FTP & Stars (& the $1k Monday on FTP). Even as a non-competitor I would regularly recognize 7 to 8 of the 9 players on the table I would be viewing. Did I just fluke out and watch games that never had these others playing in them?

Curious, why not put some of that time & effort into studying & getting better at the game?

Hey mate, I'm not going to continue this conversation. You've got your experience I've got mine. Since it's funny for you, with all the "ha-ha" and tons of !!! and ??
I saw what I saw. You might be playing MTTs, but these guys are washing money through online poker through cash tables and SNGs, I believe that MTTs are out of their field becaue these tourneys are time consuming, and these guys want good money each day, they don't want good hands or final tables, they want one table and to control both of the players at the table, one wins, other one loses, that's how they make the profit.
It's not my theory, this is the real world as it is. I've stated that there is a lot of money laundring through online poker and you've stated that you haven't seen and haven't heard anything bout it in dozen of years, I've explained to you why and how, you can use google to find the truth if you want to. It's quite easy nova days you know... google this, google that... very simple.

Yeah I haven't started to do the hacking and or carding, cause I hired several graphic designers and programmers and earned nice money by creating online stores and personal pages, had customers like 2 famous DJs, one skyscrapper in Las Vegas, SkyLasVegas it was? or maybe my memory is bad. 300 starting pages for hotel network, tens of online shops, hundreds of banners. Where I am located the average salary was $300 per month and that's what I've paid to my workers plus bonuses, while average price that I've charged for the website was several thousands. Why would I do anything illegal like hacking or carding when I'm 21 y.o. with my own company and I earn such big money each month? a single DJ from NY paid me $8K per web site, I spent $900 to make it during 2 weeks. What was my job? I was the man in the middle, tlaking to customers at sites like ilance and translating their needs to my workers. Could I become rich by doing carding at poker sites? Yes I could, but i had no free money, everything I've earned was invested to help one of my relatives and to pay off the mortgage... If not the mortgage and health problem of my relative I would have the money to spent for such things, but I haven't and I'm not in jail for doing illegal things plus I have my own piece of land and my own house plus my relative is alive and I got no credits... After some a-hole invented site builders like joomla and wordpress and another a-hole invented personal pages at social networks the industry of online websites has fallen in ruins and since then poker has helped me to buy a garage for my workshop, tools and several cnc machines.
SO may I ask you a real question? I've asked it to myself. And this is a rhietorical question, you may not answer to it. After 20K posts at the forum and after a million of hands played in poker, what is the product that you're giving to this world? How do you make this world a better place? What will you tell/show your grand children when you'll be old? If 100 year is 24*365*100 = 876K hour stack including 30% sleep time, then what % of this stack of hours you will spend for this product that you're giving to the world by playing poker?

Hey, you can browse couple of my products related to poker, no problem, I'll make a photo of what's laying around, did much more related to poker, but this is what I have nearby.

These are flat carvings, sold out all of the 3d...

By the way, so far, after reading your replies. I believe that you know something about poker, maybe you're good at it and got good results. Idk, maybe yes, maybe not. But what I see in your messages is that you don't understand what poker really is. I believe that you will find it out with help of 2 people one of them is Doyle Brunson, who stated that Poker is a war... The other one is Sun Tzu, who wrote a book, long time ago, "The Art of War" is the name of this book. If you'll read it you will learn more about the poker. I was kinda shocked about your AA-value comment, but I guess that you haven't read advices of Sun Tzu? One of them "Never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake". That's quite bad that poker is a game of luck, cause sometimes people are well paid for their mistakes, while others get nothing for doing everything correctly. But it happens in the game of luck. Does your life is a game of luck and you're well paid for making the same mistake day by day or you're doing everything correctly? Who knows better than you?

 

[finaltable1]

& fwiw, I'm going to return to my little planet here (they call it Earth) and can't promise I can spend any more time on your posts. I'm going to use mine on putting in a bit of 'study time'. This is what I do because I enjoy it.. AND because it seems to pay off for me. It's kind of like an investment... I put in some time & I take out some money (&/or enjoyment). How bout yourself? Are you finding the game 'enjoyable'?

I know 4 real life languages = able to think without translating.
3 programming languages
almost all CAD/CAM software and childish things like photoshop/corel
can do any hand job from welding a aluminum thinplate to building a house, and did both.
have created more than 10 cnc machines over past couple of years, plasma cutter, routers, laser engravers. working on a lathe and multihead laser machine.
have repaired a coveyor at the factory just for the fun of it, just to make sure that I can do it and there is nothing impossible for me, this conveyour had 6 machines along the way, it was something unusual.
Not talking about childish things like quadrocopters, robotic arms and so on, this is for kids, but i've done it to have the skill.
I believe that I've learned and created more things during past week than some people are doing during the year.

Have you learned anything about radio components? metals? wood types maybe? manufacturing processes? G-code? Can we talk about maths, logic, history? IT? travelling? fishing and hunting? sports? new technologies and life hacks? I'm kinda studying it all and in addition to studying I also practice everything. LOL, even played piano and saxophone, kinda feel myself bored of doing one same thing. Psychology maybe? Shoot it, let's talk about what you're studying, it must be really interesting since you're doing it? So curious... or maybe not.

 

[akjordan16]

nothing

Why should any country have the right to control peoples right on the internet.

 

[Donskey]

Why should any country have the right to control peoples right on the internet.

They don't. Countries that have banned online poker allow their citizens to play online poker. They are not doing anything illegal. Eg, USA & Australia still play online poker on WPN & ignition respectively without any fear of prosecution because it's still legal.

It's the poker sites that are cowering to these countries demands. These countries want the pokersites to make it illegal for their citizens to play online on their servers.

What right does a country have to tell a company of another country to ban their citizens form playing on their servers? None!!! What's happened to the Globalization Agenda that most countries demand? Didn't all these countries scoff and berate Trump because he is a Nationalist and not a Globalist? Well guess what? the internet is global.

The pokersites should allow anyone from any country to play on their servers and tell those countries that if they don't want their citizens to log onto their servers, then you can simply censor and block access to those sites from those countries. Don't expect the pokersites to enforce laws that the country itself does not want to pass.

Can you imagine western countries censoring or blocking legal websites? Ain't gonna happen, so what do the western countries do? They want the pokersites to enforce it by threatening them with fines, fines that are useless and void as long as those involved don't step onto the land of that country, and there is no reason they would ever need to.

 

[albosaltenio]

it is unfortunate that this happens but at some point they are right, and I think they do not go against the players, I think the persecution is against the owners of the servers.
It is a huge business that evades a lot and generates a lot of profit to its owners.
and unfortunately, those of us who play with passion this game pay the consequences

 

[Donskey]

it is unfortunate that this happens but at some point they are right, and I think they do not go against the players, I think the persecution is against the owners of the servers.
It is a huge business that evades a lot and generates a lot of profit to its owners.
and unfortunately, those of us who play with passion this game pay the consequences

Sure, these owners are more than happy to pay for a license or pay tax in these countries, but the countries won't give them that option, rather they want them to ban players.

Instead these pokersites should say as I said before, if you won't give us a license, we are then going to offer this game to the global internet that is free for everyone, and if you don't want your people to play on our servers then you ban it, you censor it from inside your country, don't expect us to do it. They can't have it both ways. Either give them a license or shut up.

The WPN has offered poker to the US for many many years. Are they in prison? Have they been prosecuted? Nope, what the heck all these other sites are scared of is beyond me. They've been patient, they've given these countries time to work something out, but they've done nothing. It's time they offer it to all the free people of the world.

 

[161MAMa161]

Hello friends! cool site, a lot of interesting things!

 

[akjordan16]

ok

Thought they were pulling the United States thing when they took Full Tilt and poker stars away from me.