SydTheCat
Rock Star
Silver Level
That's a good question. We're not as free as we're led to believe. Less so more and more.
That's a good question. We're not as free as we're led to believe. Less so more and more.
paipingprung
Rock Star
Silver Level
A couple people commented the casinos don't want it because it effects revenue.
In New Jersey, the casinos pushed for it. The poker rooms took no hit, numbers stayed the same as far as I could tell.
I guess I'll never understand why the US government didn't push for a piece of the action.
Your about to lose the entire US market, grease our palms.
Within 5 years I think the states that have online poker will be aligned with sites worldwide.
For instance, if I play poker stars in new jersey, I'm playing on pokrstarsNJ, but it's part of the poker stars network.
They're already working on a network like this state to state to connect legalized states.
I'm sure that's what Amaiya envisioned when they got involved in NJ
In New Jersey, the casinos pushed for it. The poker rooms took no hit, numbers stayed the same as far as I could tell.
I guess I'll never understand why the US government didn't push for a piece of the action.
Your about to lose the entire US market, grease our palms.
Within 5 years I think the states that have online poker will be aligned with sites worldwide.
For instance, if I play poker stars in new jersey, I'm playing on pokrstarsNJ, but it's part of the poker stars network.
They're already working on a network like this state to state to connect legalized states.
I'm sure that's what Amaiya envisioned when they got involved in NJ
Pharaoh39
Visionary
Silver Level
We live in Virginia. YOU KNOW we're going to be last to the party. SMH
I see you're in my area. Did you used to play at the poker cardrooms in Portsmouth a few years ago before they got shut down? Those were they days. Some much money floating around. I miss it.
prw18
Enthusiast
Silver Level
Can you play on pokerstars in NJ and Penn? I'd like to know.
Pharaoh39
Visionary
Silver Level
Pokerstars has a NJ version of their site.
As for Penn, they're probably working on that right now.
dj11
Legend
Silver Level
NJ, NV, ML have a joint player pool agreement. No news yet on whether Penn will join in.
These states only share the play pool from those 3 states, not the international player pool that Stars does so well.
prw18
Enthusiast
Silver Level
Ah, that's cool but not that great. I'd rather play on WPN or just go to canada and play PokerStars with the rest of the world if that's what it came down to.
oneloy
Rock Star
Silver Level
And is not it possible to circumvent the law using a program like "vpn master ,,. There the country changes automatically ...
Well, with the withdrawal of money, I think the problems will not be ... the main thing is to do everything right.) Good luck.
Well, with the withdrawal of money, I think the problems will not be ... the main thing is to do everything right.) Good luck.
John_3_16
Legend
Silver Level
USA states use gps locators...
If anyone wants to sign up via the 4 states that have legalized poker in the USA you are required to allow them to use sat gps location so they can ID where your computer and router are communicating from. Any attempt to use VPN and location masking gets you a quick "NO!".
The equipment and processes they are using is military grade and state of the art. The largest poker sites are also very strict about controlling who plays. They do not want to cross swords with the DOJ again and lose future profits as states are now legalizing poker.
Sometimes the front door is the only way to get in. Just say'n.
:icon_joke :burnout:
GL and God bless. :top:
If anyone wants to sign up via the 4 states that have legalized poker in the USA you are required to allow them to use sat gps location so they can ID where your computer and router are communicating from. Any attempt to use VPN and location masking gets you a quick "NO!".
The equipment and processes they are using is military grade and state of the art. The largest poker sites are also very strict about controlling who plays. They do not want to cross swords with the DOJ again and lose future profits as states are now legalizing poker.
Sometimes the front door is the only way to get in. Just say'n.
:icon_joke :burnout:GL and God bless.
:top: 
MikeShayne
Rock Star
Silver Level
It will be state by state. Ohio was completely surrounded by states with legalized casino gambling for 20 years before the governor legalized it for Ohio. 20 years of millions of players taking billions of dollars across the state line every weekend. When you are the last one to know then guess what? Not all of the "new" Ohio casinos together made the revenue in the first year that was predicted for each of them.
Folks already have their favourite places to play elsewhere. Stupidity and greed. Russia will be a democracy long before all 50 states have legalized poker.
Just saying. :banghead:
God bless.
If you remember, the live casino issue was on either a special or general election ballot about three or four times before the voters of Ohio decided to pass the initiative. In this case, I blame the people more than the government.
You're right about already having a favorite place to play. Even with live casino presence in Ohio now, I still go to Indiana when I have the desire for some live action poker.
John_3_16
Legend
Silver Level
Only 5 more states & Ohio will be surrounded again!
The 1st legal marijuana bill failed because the bills had picked political favourites to be the ONLY grower/owners. Ohio is as crooked/greedy as Washington or Russia.
Once the OTB's for the tracks were passed and they could get some of the casinos, and the rest were open for bid from anyone, then they passed. As did the 2nd marijuana bill. Ohio government taxes and fees on the casinos were so bad that none of them made enough the 1st year to pay Ohio what they were owed. Leaving them with zero for one year's operational budgets. Ohio had worded the bill so Ohio collected from the gross before expenses and profit.
I have not even been to a casino in Ohio. Gave up horses in 2002. Don't even watch the Derby any more. Detroit, Kansas City, West Virginia, Niagara Falls (Canadian side), New Jersey, Connecticut, Nevada and the Bahamas are places where I have gambled, some several times. Many are still nice.
I live within 1 to 2 hours of 3 Ohio casinos. And I do not feel the slightest pull to visit any in Ohio. The break even odds they have to set has to be ridiculously high. I do love Vegas and Reno. Maybe catch some West Coast poker before it all burns up.
Seems everyone passing online poker laws are smart enough to join the group. Only way to survive. Huge plus for players, too. Group dynamic should keep rakes down and player pools up.
Only gonna take time. With national and state debt climbing, every avenue for revenue will be jumped on. Just a matter of time before we go to war with the cartels and America takes over the entire drug trade.
World picture is kinda bleak, huh?
Many of the early bills had language that locked in political favourites to get them. The state tracks, which were failing anyway, were not included. Locations were a question as well. Because they were typical Ohio bills, no sane person would vote 4 them.
The 1st legal marijuana bill failed because the bills had picked political favourites to be the ONLY grower/owners. Ohio is as crooked/greedy as Washington or Russia.
Once the OTB's for the tracks were passed and they could get some of the casinos, and the rest were open for bid from anyone, then they passed. As did the 2nd marijuana bill. Ohio government taxes and fees on the casinos were so bad that none of them made enough the 1st year to pay Ohio what they were owed. Leaving them with zero for one year's operational budgets. Ohio had worded the bill so Ohio collected from the gross before expenses and profit.
I have not even been to a casino in Ohio. Gave up horses in 2002. Don't even watch the Derby any more. Detroit, Kansas City, West Virginia, Niagara Falls (Canadian side), New Jersey, Connecticut, Nevada and the Bahamas are places where I have gambled, some several times. Many are still nice.
I live within 1 to 2 hours of 3 Ohio casinos. And I do not feel the slightest pull to visit any in Ohio. The break even odds they have to set has to be ridiculously high. I do love Vegas and Reno. Maybe catch some West Coast poker before it all burns up.
Seems everyone passing online poker laws are smart enough to join the group. Only way to survive. Huge plus for players, too. Group dynamic should keep rakes down and player pools up.
Only gonna take time. With national and state debt climbing, every avenue for revenue will be jumped on. Just a matter of time before we go to war with the cartels and America takes over the entire drug trade.
World picture is kinda bleak, huh?
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kidkvno1
Sarah's Pet
Bronze Level
Herkstwin
Legend
Bronze Level
Black Friday
Online poker used to be legal in the US, until BLACK FRIDAY:
"...Black Friday, or the day everything changed as far as online poker in the United States is concerned.
On that day — April 15, 2011 — the U.S. Department of Justice unsealed a 52-page indictment against top executives of PokerStars, full tilt poker, and Absolute Poker, as well as a civil complaint against those companies. Those named in the indictment faced years in prison while the civil complaint sought $3 billion in assets from the sites. PokerStars and Full Tilt Poker immediately stopped serving U.S. players, with Absolute Poker and its sister site UltimateBet (of the Cereus Network) following suit afterwards."
Quoted from: Pokernews.com
Strange thing is that other countries did not stop those poker sites from operating!
I play on PokerStars and all of a sudden my friends from the USA were gone. Sad day. So sad. Very sad.
Online poker used to be legal in the US, until BLACK FRIDAY:
"...Black Friday, or the day everything changed as far as online poker in the United States is concerned.
On that day — April 15, 2011 — the U.S. Department of Justice unsealed a 52-page indictment against top executives of PokerStars, full tilt poker, and Absolute Poker, as well as a civil complaint against those companies. Those named in the indictment faced years in prison while the civil complaint sought $3 billion in assets from the sites. PokerStars and Full Tilt Poker immediately stopped serving U.S. players, with Absolute Poker and its sister site UltimateBet (of the Cereus Network) following suit afterwards."
Quoted from: Pokernews.com
Strange thing is that other countries did not stop those poker sites from operating!
I play on PokerStars and all of a sudden my friends from the USA were gone. Sad day. So sad. Very sad.
MikeShayne
Rock Star
Silver Level
This is true, but we felt "safe" back in the Tilt/Stars days too. After Black Friday and debacles like Lock, etc., I think we'd all be a little less skittish if online poker in US was regulated/legal. With a concrete degree of certainty that we won't wake up one morning to a FBI greeting on ACR's homepage.
thatguy6793
Legend
Silver Level
It looks like it's going to be hardest to get this poker allowed in the southern states (as usual) with all the old root politicians that have held office for hundreds of years, but hopefully it'll start to be a domino effect as more states start to legalize it and others see that there's really no reason to not let it be legal anymore. I think what should be taken from all this is that some progress has been made, with the exception of that letter from my dear state senator here in South Carolina, and it looks like more progress will keep coming.
4 down, only 46 to go: icon_thum (or at least just south carolina next lol)
4 down, only 46 to go: icon_thum (or at least just south carolina next lol)
John_3_16
Legend
Silver Level
Try google, bing, yahoo or any of a dozen other search engines. And you are from California. Right?
My own research shows Indians, established card rooms and horse racing (yes, horse racing) all have vested interests in getting BIG chunks of what has been proven to be a small online poker pie. The state wants to charge 12.5 million dollars a year for 7 years for each license to be written off on future taxes in the 15% of gross range. Horse racing gets 60 million dollars a year for nothing, welfare payoff.
In other words they want $10 for every dollar bet. Ridiculous? Yes. Impossible? Yes. STUPID? Yes!!!
Many states have this same attitude. They will kill it before a dollar is made. Too much greed. Simple answer. First step is to kick horse racing out of the conversation. And the state has to lower fees and taxes. Where do they think all of these billions of dollars are going to come from. Even with 99% rake it won't make a dollar. No one plays with huge rakes. And low rakes with one state pool is lucky to generate a couple of million a year.
There it is. Search engines is the simple answer to your question.
GL and God bless.
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