Make Poker Legal Throughout The USA!!

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One last thing. The key here is many of the bills that have been put out there for sports betting have listed it as a "Game of Skill". If that's the case states have little to no argument to jump into the poker game especially if the 1% is implemented. They will need other revenue streams to protect themselves by paying IMO The DUMB 1% FEE.. Also there wont be much push back with poker as a game of skill if they are letting the flood gates open on sporrts betting with that wording.
 
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Yeah its pretty lame. But there do still allow it on some sites. Black Chip Poker, America's Card Room, and ignition Casino are a few that do allow it here in the US
 
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You have a casino allowed. We have another problem in our country, the casino is banned in Ukraine, but here are not legitimate casinos everywhere and they are covered by deputies and nobody even thinks about fighting them
 
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I understand the Republicans for lifting restrictions on the game of poker in the United States and the Democrats against. I understand correctly ?
 
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Because it would ruin land based property casino's profits. The investments need to be amortized and entry into the gambling online market needs to be restored to first-mover advantage by the State.

Sheldon Adelson and other bet wrong on land based casinos so they protect their intrests by strangling online gambling.What else would you do?
 
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Wow coming from ireland were drugs like weed are illegal and guns hard to buy but poker legal Find it crazy in America that people have easy access to drugs and guns but they can not play poker online with pokerstars ect freely strange world we live in hope things change for the better but you just never know
 
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Because it would ruin land based property casino's profits. The investments need to be amortized and entry into the gambling online market needs to be restored to first-mover advantage by the State.

Sheldon Adelson and other bet wrong on land based casinos so they protect their intrests by strangling online gambling.What else would you do?

This is a argument I always see. "It will hurt brick and mortar" Not true. Never been true. Look at what internet poker did in the moneymaker boom. It grew the live scene and also tourneys. Casinos need to realize adding say online poker to your menu and mixing that in with your chance to win live evens seats and constantly running satellites for live events. Pokerstars and Fulltilt did a excellent job of this. Why did the wsop grow so much simply because of online poker. As in Sheldon Andelson the man has been throwing money at Online Anti gaming for years and has got him no where. Borgata in NJ is in partnership with online poker and has done nothing but good for there casino poker room.
 
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I think major strides would have to be made before a state can allow online gambling. The biggest infrastructure that would have to be setup is establishing a regulatory agency that could oversee online companies. It is important to maintain game integrity and make sure people are not being taken advantage of. There are already gambling regulatory agencies in most states, but they are not setup to handle/verify online gambling (at least not on a large scale).

It is even more difficult when an online program would be used across different states/countries because a whole new system of taxation would have to be setup and accepted at a federal and global level.

I believe we are still a ways away from online poker legislation accepted in more than a few states. The best way to get there would be to play more poker at a casino in your state. The more money the casino generates, the more money the regulatory agencies would have. Income for these agencies are necessary to fund the development of the infrastructure needed for online gambling. States that do not generate enough gambling revenue wont have the funds needed to transition to online gambling, while only a few states (like Nevada, New Jersey, maybe Georgia) would have the means.

With the digital age brings a transition from legal and taxable poker to illegal untaxed online poker. This is reducing the revenues these gambling agencies bring in, which just further decreases their ability to fund the development of online oversight.

Totally agree with what you have said. The government would not say no to so many millions of dollars in revenue, I actually believe they were on verge of doing so before black Friday. I just think what happened with full tilt was the snapping point of total mistrust to online gambling industry especially poker as the main title. The only problem that stinks to me to this day is that in my opinion, something went very wrong with PokerStars.. When FBI declared FTP as a full-blown money laundry for CEO and friends. PokerStars was next in line and declared by FBI as a scam to uncomparable scale to FTP ... The unofficial news came up from left and right of almost of billion-dollar withdrawal and money moves from PokerStars to offshore accounts. Hell, they even confirmed that PSstars was tipped of by their own people days before that they could close up major accounts and CEO to flee to EU days before.... Mind blow is after all this wheel turning and US government facing millions of dollars of debt that will fall on it's back after FTP being a broke ass a miracle happened. Pokerstars has been officially punished by government for bad business conduct so just banned from Vegas :confused: what ? ?? That's all ... They gladly offered to pay of FTP debt ... OF COURSE YOU WOULD you just got slapped on a wrist... which I'm sure was just major part of the deal. Won yourself MONOPOLY for the whole world of online poker. FBI agreed to not pursue further investigation.


Funny thing is government confirmed in my opinion how crooked PStars is and how they will never ever allow him back in the USA after all this happened is by destroying their planned casino plans in NJ that were totally slashed just by not giving them simple agreement to purchase gambling license... A what? I never even heard of casino ever been refused such thing... Pokerstars never appealed this decision? Why ... funny... They partnered with some low player to open dead house casino online in NJ which last 40 times I've checked looks like a bogus site that attracts a traffic of 1000 people on Saturday night ... JOKE


Next thing is they legally could apply for such license in Vegas next year and them being such massive major player with so many billions behind could shake up few coins and make this new investment in VEGAs since their ban expires in a year. Guess what such a giant that could easily reenter this American not even planning to sponsor a single game in that city... You can't even hear them trying to consider it... So yeah just wanted to bring this out but I think it's another major tell that they will never be allowed on US soil again.


That being said I don't think anyone will ever be allowed to take monopoly for online poker in this country until:

1. They won't upfront XX millions to the government for them to voluntarily open commission that will regulate such games. That government will keep their own people schedule random check and throw own regulations into the online world.


2. They won't base their 100% servers in USA address. I'm sure they won't even allow customer service to be based in india .... with this type of business.


3. Taxes, taxes, taxes. Yes, we players will gladly face 25 % gambling tax or even more to play our favorite game but I think what PokerStars would face as a corporation in taxes would definitely be close to 50% + of revenue. Which would make move here right here pure dumbest thing they have ever done.



i agree. its ridiculous that we can't play online freely. the gov does whats convenient for the gov.


That is exactly what I thought for years. But I tell you what I'm not the smartest person in this world I'm not math geek either. If there is website online that will let you play poker but their shuffle algorithm is rigged into 80% odds house favorite how will you prove it? Even if you do what will they do to PANAMA BASED site lol big nothing. If it robs you of a hundred and you gave up smelling stink there will be someone else tomorrow losing 4k. That's why the government doesn't allow it because they know after those 2 major black Friday players that no matter what they will do and won't make strict rules they will be robbing people legally blind. It's just what it is and nothing we can do. We gotta wait and hope. :(
 
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As I remember, a few years ago the pokerstars site was closed due to mischief, fraud, committed by the Americans. During all this time I was disturbed because I could not play. My point is that we are so sure. No American. They have their poker sites.:confused:
 
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I remember a decade or two back when it was kosher to play anywhere in the USA online. Then all these weird off shore countries started hosting poker websites and now no one has much faith in them. It would be nice if we had a few American based poker sites where we get the tax collected and it's been checked out for integrity.

Maybe it was in best interst of the us players, my edge was decimated when they where locked out of stars, at least it felt like.

Its a riddle to me there isnt more competition, and direct competition to the top site in terms of games. In the end we players are hurt the most, since a monopoly can easily control a market which is for us rake, and since they are marginally regulated whatever they decide is right.

Srsly, imagine there are 2 other ps, really intersted in competition and not a shared bespoke market, rake would be way way down now.
 
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In Russia, I think this will never happen! Although who knows, recently there was opened a casino in Sochi and hosted the first ever Russian PokerStars Championship. Who knows who knows:p:p:p
 
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If there is website online that will let you play poker but their shuffle algorithm is rigged into 80% odds house favorite how will you prove it?

The amount of data available to players (in the form of the hand history alone) and third party programs to collate and analyze that data makes it so that if the shuffle algorithm is showing any kind of pattern, it will show up in the data.


There is no pattern you can detect with naked observation that would not be provable with the data at hand. It is that simple


If it were shown that a site's deal was 'rigged', it would go viral across the online poker community and that site would be a ghost town in a matter of days

Further, you don't play poker against the house, so there is no 'house edge' The house always wins, they get a commission from every pot. There is no reason to do anything crooked with the deal, the risks outweight the reward by a ton
 
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Would make sense for a deal to be made between the Americas government and the poker sites to make it legal and make even more profits
 
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Funny how pot becomes legal while poker doesn't. It's beyond me.
 
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We need more USA friendly sites says Playful
 
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I agree with you! Legalize online poker in California! That would be awesome!
 
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The amount of data available to players (in the form of the hand history alone) and third party programs to collate and analyze that data makes it so that if the shuffle algorithm is showing any kind of pattern, it will show up in the data.


There is no pattern you can detect with naked observation that would not be provable with the data at hand. It is that simple


If it were shown that a site's deal was 'rigged', it would go viral across the online poker community and that site would be a ghost town in a matter of days

Further, you don't play poker against the house, so there is no 'house edge' The house always wins, they get a commission from every pot. There is no reason to do anything crooked with the deal, the risks outweight the reward by a ton

I totally disagree with all due respect if you think poker online even best houses are not rigged to any extent youre very wrong it was proven multiple times. Let's start with first thing that no algorithm online is giving you odds of very true game of poker and real shuffle. Algorithms that exist today are sofisticated but on so many billions of hands and situation they can only virtually come out with many half of those. There is so many articles that I can bring up and I will after I come home that you won't believe. So that's number one.


Number two sites like william hill, bovada, full tilt , recently even ACR was proven of having inside bots and letting collusion happen to such extent that it's mind blowing yet nobody seems to care. They even brought ceo of acr to speak and confirm it with promise of resolution .. my ass... So yeah there was even independent study made of almost of 500 million hands done to b ovada poker that came to resolution that odds of hitting board, set over set, pair vs two pair was significantly higher than usual yet nobody seem to bother... until they got caught cheating on blackjack and whole thing shut down.... for long time ...


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If you really thing house doesn't benefit at all is totally wrong. Really ?? How could you even say that house makes money of a rake. If you could bring much bigger hands to be shown 80 percent more than usual how much more way bigger pots you will have and big pots and a lot of action will bring massive amount of rake. Much significant rake. So was proven to bovada and william hill that they were making 30 % + more because of action they induced.


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Conclusion is as I said before people holding their money in certain room and even proven fault to a room will blindly defend it even not having mixed success on websites. That's what's been happening to ACR very late discoveries made me withdraw all my money from there after ceo spoke. His own words were that they trying but there is no way of stopping many things... So yeah I'm sorry but I'm successful live player that have many friends in many rooms and been playing for long time and I can with all honesty say usa options are limited to rigged rooms. If you don't believe me show me one poker pro that is decent and can speak freely on this subject objectively is playing even tournament like Sunday 1 mil GTD on ACR of any meaningful tournament on usa allowed website... I tell you how many none....
 
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People want to play poker in poker rooms in America. Why is it so difficult for them to achieve what they want?
 
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I live in PA sp now i get free poker!
 
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"Olvia People want to play poker in poker rooms in America. Why is it so difficult for them to achieve what they want?"




Largely because the citizens of the 50 states united have forgotten, or perhaps never learned, that our Constitutional Republic exists to serve the governed. The governed are not subjects in America. Theoretically, we the governed hold sway over the governors. We, the governed, are the Monarch.
If only the people valued this unique situation. Most are comfortable choosing to accept massive, illegal government overreach into our personal affairs effectively lowering our status back down to subject.
The pertinent question is do our elected representatives have the constitutional authority to intrude into our personal choices. Yes, but it is severely restricted, theoretically.
3/4ths of our government operates outside of their legal authority and far too few Americans bother to pay attention. Therefore, we enable our own return to Subject and find ourselves begging for the authority we already have.
Vote out the statists, regardless of partisan affiliation, and vote in constitutionalists. This problem would solve itself.
 
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I strongly believe that the American government wants to centralize the earnings of an industry on a company or institution they can control. the thing with poker is that the earnings get out of control because it circulates around the players. If the problem is related to taxes on earnings why is the lottery allowed? because they know that it will be rare for anyone to win, therefore the money will be taken from the players and placed on an institution they can control and get the big taxes from. its up to the poker community in US America to fight more for it.
 
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because no one will go to Vegas
 
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Yeah this is so stupid to me. There is no reason this can't be a national law.
 
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There is so many articles that I can bring up and I will after I come home that you won't believe.
3 days later, we are still waiting...

Conclusion is as I said before people holding their money in certain room and even proven fault to a room will blindly defend it even not having mixed success on websites.

So exactly what you are doing now, but in the opposite manner?

I'm not necessarily saying you are wrong, but extraordinary claims require evidence. I see people say things like this all the time, but never really give any actual evidence.
I mean this in the most respectful manner, not trying to be an a$$ or anything.
 
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As the old guard of pseudo-religious wings of both parties leave DC, more and more logical decisions will be forthcoming. The fiscal reality of collecting taxes on gaming should speed the process along.
 
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