Is Online Poker Rigged?

[Helloween]

The fact is that you can find the reasons in yourself and have found it for a long time already. But when you play more and more hands, you start to notice patterns. And these patterns run counter to poker schools and poker training software. When they say that Internet poker develops and changes constantly, I only now begin to understand the meaning of these words...

 

[okeedokalee]

I posted this on the other rigged thread, and believe it to be true, if you lack skill you will lose and bang on about it being rigged.

https://www.blackrain79.com/2018/06/...rs-rigged.html

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4. Human Bias and Defence Mechanism


The next reason why many people are convinced that online poker is rigged is because most people lose at this game. And that unfortunate little reality isn't likely to change any time soon.

Once the poker sites and the winning poker players take their cut there just isn't much left over for everybody else. In fact I would estimate (conservatively) that 70% of poker players lose over the long run.

And the other thing that we know about poker players is that virtually all of them think they are pretty good, or at least above average. Poker is kind of like driving, nobody will ever admit they are bad at it.

So this naturally leads to a situation where many losing poker players will look to either repress this reality or simply shift the blame to something else for their lack of success.

In fact, Sigmund Freud (the father of modern psychology), even created a name for this very common unconscious process. He called it a defence mechanism.

When you aren't winning at poker the easy solution is just to blame it all on your bad luck or convince yourself that the whole game is rigged against you.

This is an absolutely crucial reason why poker continues to be so profitable.

Losing poker players have an easy out. They can just continually convince themselves that their lack of success is due to some outside force beyond their control.

And therefore, they never even think to address the real reason why they keep losing, which is their own lack of skill and lack of tilt control among other things.

There is no other game on earth that I have ever seen that inspires such incredible levels of self delusion. And quite frankly, it is an absolutely beautiful thing.

 

[zam220]

I don't think online poker is rigged.There is a certain segment of people who will never cope with the game. They are waiting for instant results from poker and if they are not, then blame the room.If you are one of those who sincerely believe that online poker is rigged, then there is a very simple advice for you-do not play it.

 

[Rufun2]

On line poker is rigged.. How can you say it's not? If a bet can entise the cards it's rigged. In live poker a bet doesn't influence the cards. Where a bet of all In or raise can influence the cards. True or Not?

Anytime a player can bet to get a the cards to go in your favor is rigged to me....

 

[paintedbynumbers]

some sites i absolutely believe are.
Bovada for one. Let me explain. I had played on the site for years. They were under a legit gaming commision and you could freely chat. I would win more than I would lose. Fast forward, Bovada gives up their gaming license, removes the chat, and goes to bitcoin only. Now I am lucky to win once a week. My play hasn't changed. I have AK suited someone with q4 offsuit calls me and hits Q4. Stuff like this happens all the time now which is why i left.

Interops is just as bad. You are lucky to find 6 people to play a sit and go. I would love for us casino's to offer betting through their official sites. A way to link with an actual dealer from a casino even could be huge $$$ and innovative too.

 

[needcoffeesendhelp]

What do they gain?

The weird part is, I'm not sure how it's to their advantage to rig it certain ways. Not that I'm saying it doesn't happen, because like I say, I was convinced BetOnline was shady af.

But what kinds of things would they rig it to benefit? Certain players? And why?

 

[okeedokalee]

Read the above, even though sites like Stars throw out many beats, they have no reason to rig poker.

 

[paintedbynumbers]

What they have to gain is simple. People who lose will deposit more money. The money could be used for other aspects of the site such as sports/casino. The house wins

 

[Datdude1]

Yes, ever time I lose in a poker tournament to what seems like a hand that had absolutely no chance of winning I think it's rigged, but any time I lose I think it's rigged. ...lol

 

[BlackMember]

Whatever it was, the truth we'll never know. Because of the increase in profits, small poker rooms will go for everything. In our time, everything is possible. I do not be surprised if even on pokerstars there are some kind of dishonest manipulations in the form of fake hands to increase the collected rake. This poker room does everything to reduce costs and increase profits, why not cheat? Anyway, no one will ever know anything.

 

[cubons]

Of course it is. There must be an algorithm under those systems, but sometimes the best players beats the algorithm and earns a lot of money.

 

[valanddon]

A lot of players make this claim when they suffer a series of bad beats - we get our share of them around here.

Let's have a serious discussion about it. Read this article:

Is online poker safe or rigged?

There is some really good information in that article that explains some of the misconceptions players have.

The thing I see the most is players having a bad day or even a bad week - or they are making a lot of wrong decisions - and they instantly think the game is cheating them.

They will post hands and say "No way should this happen!" - and I know instantly they have never played live poker. I have been playing live poker for about 10 years and I have seen it all happen in a situation where it can not possibly be rigged.

What are your thoughts?

(ps - this is not the place to post your bad beat hands!)

I play pokerstars, 888 poker and party poker. In 888 Poker
and party poker the cards seem to be more like live play.
In pokerstars the chance of making a flush, straight, trips
are all possible in the same hand most of the time, which
leads to bad beats. Their computers are cranked up to high
for hot hands possibilitys.

 

[chanantn]

yes

i think it is

 

[Eric Salvador]

Things online seem to happen more frequently then live because you see more hands per hour. This increases the likelihood of bad beats happening. When running bad it's easiest to blame it on the program and not variance.

 

[ELPRIIINCIPE]

Very good article, it is good to know a bit about the history of the scandals of poker hahahaha, but mainly I think it's great that it is about this issue, about questioning the legitimacy of online poker sites, it would be good to get this article to all those people who are starting in this beautiful world of poker and that as many of us once did, they will also be thinking that the software sometimes favors some specific players. It would be very helpful for them.

 

[mj23b]

ok how do i put this

look poker is unregulated online (unchecked) that means if they cheat you theres nothing you can do about it legally. so what do you think? lol. if you could cheat thousands out of 1 buck a day would you?.... dont answer that haha. i get bad hands been playing for a very long time. these days the i have found patterns in the game that dont change so to a degree if i can predict 2 players cards at the same hand multiple times in a row then it is at least slightly rigged. ive been playing years. when i was at pokerstars #whenwaslegal lol. i used to never lose won freerolls everyday and played with free money. its different now though alot harder, some stuff i see i never saw in 15 years of poker. will keep playing for sure though i just dont deposit really

 

[akmost]

Ok but those ''action cards' always on the turn? Never a brick!

IMHO it is not rigged but ok to be honest many times I feel like it is manipulated in the smaller buy in tournaments in order to lure in more recs. Who knows and I don't care poker it is just a hobby for me!

It is more annoying to lose by a bad call than a runner runner.

The article was very informative and what a nice presentation with the past scam events.

 

[jfmcd86]

I personally think that online poker isn't rigged. nor is safe. To me "Poker" is a game that requires luck and bad luck, nonetheless skill and incompetence. Poker is poker, anything can happen.

 

[Ricey155]

Yes for me, far to many straights, flushes and full houses back 2 back I remember when a pair was solid these days on 888 your never ahead whatever they start with.

But we keep playing

 

[wsbar]

I am Brazilian, I live in Manaus, online poker game for two years. If online poker were something manipulated, I would never win, you can be sure that poker is something that only people with correct attitude in a certain situation will win in that game. The fact that we have a complete game on the flop does not mean that we will win this hand. We have to keep in mind that a full house can be won by a larger full house or quads. It's annoying when we lose, but that makes poker fun. There are sharks and there are fish. It is your decision making that makes what you are. If I could give advice to online poker players, I would say to have patience and wait your turn.

 

[AlexStar1981]

You are absolutely right)))

 

[antonis32123]

If someone tries to concentrate in fixing his own mistakes and wrong preflop and postflop poker strategies , he will see his game being awesomely improved and he will forget all this fuss about rigged games , cause there are no rigged games , the main problem is his leaks in making decisions . The board is there , the desicions are yours . The article has some very good advice about how to protect yourself (how to choose the sites , etc) , read it if you want .

 

[blueskies]

Played two big pots today. Lost both.

Ak vs aj (two pairs)
Qq vs 77 (straight)

All ins pre

Not rigged? Cmon. If this happens 100 and u win 50% then something is wrong.

 

[Bev]

I used to believe online poker was rigged , but I have now come to the conclusion that the software algorithms or whatever are set in someway to reward people who go allin somehow someway .
I am convinced that when you call, it doesn't register . By raising it seems to trigger something to give you better cards !
I have pretty much found that every hand is a like a lottery - if you don't play - no chance to win !

 

[ScooperNova]

Collusion and the steps sites take to combat it is an issue.

And don't forget people were making these exact same comments 15 years ago when the rigging was exposed. Back then there were even sites operating in the US that weren't blatant criminals.