Online poker is not beatable!?

[Luvepoker]

I believe online poker is beatable but we still need to remember that most players will not. There are many reasons for this. Players are so much better than they used to be. Also many players wort put in the work to become better players to win the money. Then there is the issue of players who over value how good they are and say they can win. You also have players who will play above there real skill level. They wont be happy wining $2.00 per hour playing 0.05/ 0.10 because it not enough to make it worth there while and then get crushed playing 1/2.

We also need to remember this game is not that easy. If it was everyone would play and try to be the winner.

 

[diego farfan]

It is about the complaints that there will always be about the variance and the kind of players you find since since it is not live you cannot read their movements and here some players play the lottery going all in with any hand and sometimes they win pro That is why some people get frustrated and start making those comments mostly when they lose and make the mistake of wanting to recover at least what was lost that leads them to lose more and more

 

[MsUniverse]

It does feel unbeatable at times, when you get beat by a 72os holding AKh close to the final table. Pretty high prize pool too. I am this close to calling that guy a bot. This close I tell you. Yes, I'm venting. Sorry, sue me.

 

[fundiver199]

I believe online poker is beatable but we still need to remember that most players will not. There are many reasons for this. Players are so much better than they used to be. Also many players wort put in the work to become better players to win the money. Then there is the issue of players who over value how good they are and say they can win. You also have players who will play above there real skill level. They wont be happy wining $2.00 per hour playing 0.05/ 0.10 because it not enough to make it worth there while and then get crushed playing 1/2.

We also need to remember this game is not that easy. If it was everyone would play and try to be the winner.

Exactly. Online poker is easily beatable, but for the vast majority of winning players their hourly winrate is modest. This is simply due to the fact, that more people are willing to gamble away 5$ at a time rather than 50$ or 500$. So most of the really bad players, who are easy to beat, are found in micro or low stakes games.

 

[Jim_Saras]

I believe it looks unbeatable because of the vast majority of players, strategies and of course variance. It's not just luck and variance you have to beat but the rake as well. That's why you need to look back at your mistakes and not repeat them. Sometimes a hero call is correct and sometimes it's wrong. The correct way to do it is look what happens in the long run. It's tough to include the rake in your calculations. But if you do so you'll soon realise that the game is unbeatable if you don't have a way to beat the rake. Tilted opponents and bad players are giving you the opportunity to beat the rake and win some money.

 

[nogamblin]

I agree online cash games are no longer beatable. At least in my experience, everyone is way to nitty online. 90% of players check-fold anything less than a monster and when they do play you know they have you beat. Sure you can find a good game every now and then or make nuts over second nuts and get a nice ego boost. But long term there is no money to be made as long as online players remain so nitty.

It's easy to click mouse button but hard to think before clicking mouse button.

 

[TomWH]

i believe ACR isn't beatable , I can't ever seem to run up a bankroll ever tournaments no go either.
On other sites like ignition , intertops and Bet online .
I can beat tourneys and run up a nice profit to cash out. now I know my game needs some work .
but I don't understand how i can run it up on other networks but not ACR .
I get in good and get run down more often than not.
he'll even a bad player can run it up once in a while. idk very frustrating so I don't deposit on that site anymore.
just freerolls

I have no idea if any of these sites are beatable, but I do know this. I have played at Ultimate Bet, and Full Tilt in the past and had around $100 built up in each having not deposited a dime. Those were the old days before the FED's shut them down. Currently I am at ACR, and have built up a bankroll of $60, just won another $.13 cents in a freeroll a few minutes ago. I also have 8 0f the 20 dollars in tourney bucks given to me when I signed up. I just won my first real money tourney there for a $25 win. I haven't deposited yet, but am about to. I just hope my skill/luck doesn't change after the deposit?

 

[Scooopy]

Nonsense, if you devote at least a little time to the game and sort out the hands, then you can consistently earn with poker, and if you devote your life to poker, you can become a great player) (no)

 

[TomWH]

Online seems Beatable?

I have no idea if any of these sites are beatable, but I do know this. I have played at Ultimate Bet, and Full Tilt in the past and had around $100 built up in each having not deposited a dime. Those were the old days before the FED's shut them down. Currently I am at ACR, and have built up a bankroll of $60, just won another $.13 cents in a freeroll a few minutes ago. I also have 8 0f the 20 dollars in tourney bucks given to me when I signed up. I just won my first real money tourney there for a $25 win. I haven't deposited yet, but am about to. I just hope my skill/luck doesn't change after the deposit?

 

[Tystick]

Imo

I would say not true and all really depends on the software or site! It is a long grind do not expect to win just try to learn the game while having fun! (Just play live if in us) I have won but put in way more money then won. I would recommend just tournament and expect horrible beats they chalk up to you see so many more hands then live if cash games expect the same as to bad beats and hope to break even and make money through rake back. Good game network is my recommendation if you can play there! Good luck

 

[Gorblimey]

I play at sportsbetting.ag and I'm minus 500 big blinds in micro games without ever being ahead. Could be variance or collusion; maybe some of each. Thinking about switching to PLO to see if that makes a difference. But for me, online poker is a losing proposition.

 

[Suns of Beaches]

its certainly beatable to a degree. but it becomes tougher and tougher the higher the limits and only a few are able to handle the stress well and play their best when they loose a lot of money.

 

[Kenorgcom]

Online poker isn’t beatable because it’s rigged, but you can have fun playing it if you’re good.

 

[dartwind]

I think that the better you are at poker, the more you study the more of an edge you have, the better your chances at beating online poker. The money comes from other players.

 

[uri73796]

you can win in online poker,but poker does not stand still and to keep up with online poker you need to learn a lot and meet the requirements of poker.

 

[Igor Popadyk]

the field of players is getting stronger and stronger, at micro-limits people are already using programs to collect statistics and study gto, besides there are more and more bots

 

[pothead2012]

When online Poker started it was basically enough to know the absolute basics like which hands beat each other and using your position to your advantage to do good and collect some wins from time to time.....Now that is not the case anymore nowadays you have to really apply yourself to be able to compete online since everyone studys the game and there`s so much more information and study-material programs etc. that if you don`t work on your game you won`t be able to make money unless you get lucky.........Is OnlinePoker beatable ? Yes , but only if you work hard and learn from your own mistakes.....It´s not 2006-2010 where you just deposit $20 and some time later your playing HighStakesPoker on Television

 

[Alizona]

online poker is beatable, i am living proof.
no im not a millionaire, i didn't say it was a route to easy riches

i have a couple of basic rules which works for me and might not work for others
my first rule is, never play cash games, i only play large-field tournaments which offers a poker player the largest potential reward for the lowest possible risk. I'm all about risk-to-reward. Cash games are high risk for low reward which is the exact opposite of tourneys.

my second rule is that the entire key to a successful tournament career is proper bankroll management. continuing along my "risk-versus-reward" theme, we never want to risk very much of our bankroll while chasing the large pot of gold at the end of each tournament rainbow. If I have 100 dollars in my bankroll, I'm probably only going to play dollar tournaments, which is 1% of my roll. If I can increase my bankroll to 200, then i'll move up to play in some 2-dollar tournaments while still playing my regular dollar tourneys too.

Assuming your poker skills are good enough, just following these two rules ought to be enough so that you will never go broke.

Additional guidance I recommend is to always look for the highest value tournaments to play in. For me, I want to play in the biggest tournaments I can find, because those offer the highest potential reward for the risk (our risk is the amount of the buy-in)... so if there are multiple dollar tournaments running, and one of them has a 500-dollar guarantee and the other one has a 2000-dollar guarantee, I'm always going to play the 2000 tournament instead of the 500, for obvious reasons. Some will try to tell you that the 2000 tournament is going to be a lot harder to win than the 500 tournament will be, and certainly there is some truth to that line of thinking... but I ignore it. I am quite confident that I can win either tournament, so why not try to win the one with the larger reward-to-risk ratio?

The last thing I'll mention is the word "Volume"... which means how many tournaments we play each day or each month. Even though tournaments pay high rewards, we're not going to win them very often... even for good winning tournament players, the "hourly win rate" is small... and therefore, the way to make profit from a small win rate is to multiply it, by playing a LOT of tournaments. The more tournaments you can play, the better. Of course there is a limit, don't try to play 10 tournaments at the same time if you've never done it, because you will not play well in any of them due to the constant distraction of tables popping up. I will typically play 2 tournaments at the same time, and perhaps as many as 4 on a Sunday afternoon... but no more than that. But multi-tabling tournaments helps us to multiply our win rate, so play as many tourneys as you can handle without it impacting negatively on your play. Good luck at the tables!!

P.S. I have never deposited real money onto any of the poker sites I play on, I win a small amount via freerolls and then grind it up from there in order to build my bankrolls. As an American we've been banned by our government from playing for real money on poker stars so I can only use the play chips there, but on both ACR and BetOnline I've been building up my bankrolls using the methods outlined above and I've never gone broke yet - that's why I say I'm living proof! Best wishes.

 

[rdpoker5]

You can make profit playing poker, but it is the same as with work: you have to put in the hours to get paid.

 

[kraemer]

I think recreational players will have a hard time and are just the source of other peoples income. Just think of the advantages that serious players with HUDs get over someone coming along for a game of poker on the weekend...

Pretending that you can make a constant profit by just playing and learning the game as you go is probably a bit shady.

But if you are serious about making money you still have the option of investing as much time and get yourself the same tools than the other regs. Then it comes down to being more skilled again.

Most people should be ready though to considder poker a hobby that will cost them money. If you can't enjoy it that way and play for income then you will probably be left disappointed.

 

[redsfan]

The sites that allow US players have almost totally done away with freeze out tourneys.For me it has ruined the game.Years ago,when there were tons of these types of games,and i guess the poker sites have made the decision to have rebuys and addons inorder to make more money off of these games.To many people just go allin,knowing there going to buy back in,sometimes several times.They let you register for several hrs after the game has started.I dont enjoy these at all.I think this is part of making it very hard to make money,esp when your on a budget.

 

[Alizona]

You can make profit playing poker, but it is the same as with work: you have to put in the hours to get paid.

yeah that's probably the biggest factor holding back recreational players from profiting at tournament poker, because people who lead a busy life outside of their poker hobby probably will not be able to dedicate the sheer number of hours the game requires.

When people ask me what my best skill is at the game of poker, I always answer, "my patience". I feel like I can out-wait and out-last anybody if necessary, and I know for a fact that I when I play a 12-hour-long tournament, it feels like only 2 or 3 hours have passed. Time flies when you're having fun! But not everybody has that kind of time to spare, nor does everyone enjoy such a long test of endurance. I relish it, but then again I am retired so I have all the time in the world each day to play.

Poker, Patience, Persistence - the three P's!! - Never give up, never give in!!!

 

[scobido]

At first I played just for fun, I started on PokerStars, but after I had my first more consistent win, and it was on the old platform of the university, I started to get the taste of victory and watch the small buy tournaments and I continued to earn about 1000 a year at first, but lately it seems that the software has changed a lot, we have not managed any more consistent gains, but I will still play the game and I will achieve my goal.

 

[fundiver199]

I play at sportsbetting.ag and I'm minus 500 big blinds in micro games without ever being ahead. Could be variance or collusion; maybe some of each. Thinking about switching to PLO to see if that makes a difference. But for me, online poker is a losing proposition.

You cannot conclude anything about your results, just because you are down 500 big blinds after presumably a very small sample of hands. Variance is supposed to cause swings way larger than that, and of course we can not always start with a sunshine run. On 888 Poker I think, I was down 1500 big blinds at a point, and this was after winning on pokerstars in the same kind of games over almost 300k hands.

However that being said online cash games are certainly not for everyone. I kind of got tired of them as well and have largely moved to tournaments, which I find, I just enjoy more, and where perhaps its also a little easier to make money. For me the rake is a bit of an issue with cash games, especially now that I can get no rake-back whatsoever, because its not legal in my country

 

[Pokerpoet2]

I first started playing on-line Poker 20 odd years ago, I enjoyed the thrill and Adrenalin buzz of the all-in situations and being a 3 card brag player for a lot of years, I liked the fact that in Poker if someone bets big on the river I was still able to call even though I did not have the chips to equal his bet. In 3 card if you had £50 in front of you and the other player bet £60 you had to fold, or match his bet by borrowing from other players which made it very unfair.
I promised my wife I would not use my own money to play and would only play free-rolls and I stuck to this promise even now I only use the money I have won to play in other Sit n Goes and MTTs, but I have never deposited a single penny of my own.
Around 12 years ago I stopped playing on-line and gave it up for real money Pub and Casino live games which I enjoyed immensely, with the same Idea that any money I won would stay in my bankroll and then I would only be playing with money I have won, which has been fine the only difference is I can use my bankroll for emergencies when I need extra cash and put it back when I can.
But with this Covid19 outbreak and being at a loose end I returned to on-line Poker, I still have not deposited and I am still increasing my Bankroll so I must be doing something right.
I never believed I could be in the world series of poker or an EPT player but I never even played in a Casino before I played on-line, So on-line Poker has opened new doors for me and who knows, one day I might find myself up against the Negraneu's and Helmut's of the future.

When the fun Stops, STOP!