kraemer
Visionary
Silver Level
Since only about 10% of poker players play profitable it is more than obvious that the beginners who start playing online will not be among them... Sure, You can get lucky and win a bigger sum in MTTs even if You are a newbie... But this money is also quickly lost again... The majority of players online simply doesnt have enough money to play with a decent bankroll and so their downswings will usually leave them broke...
I prefer playing live... First it is a much more skill based game and less gambling as in live poker You get a lot more reads on your opponents and it is much harder to not let your opponents read You. Onlnie it is more or less reduced to the math behind the game. And then there are the countless miracles I see online... Just too many... I don't really trust the sites anymore. You get your bad beats offline too but to me it seems to happen alot less often than online...
I prefer playing live... First it is a much more skill based game and less gambling as in live poker You get a lot more reads on your opponents and it is much harder to not let your opponents read You. Onlnie it is more or less reduced to the math behind the game. And then there are the countless miracles I see online... Just too many... I don't really trust the sites anymore. You get your bad beats offline too but to me it seems to happen alot less often than online...
Jeshua Kane
Rock Star
Silver Level
We live in a debt based economy and pay 20% on our own money for absolutely no reason, when the constitution says we have the right to make our own. So the FED is a international corporation that screws us day in and day out, but yet people think somehow we live in candyland where every corporation loves us and would never hurt us....
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cardshark777
Enthusiast
Silver Level
no shes not she saying its rigged up haha. The players online aren't good as you see when they play live they all get crushed. The only one that transitioned from online to live and actually do decently was tom dwan. The rest got roasted. What people don't understand is they are using software to make all the decisions for them online or they are using bots. You can't sit at home on a computer and make money. You have to get off your lazy ass and go to casino if you want to make money at poker. But imo you have to stay away from cash games cause its full of collusion live and online and you have bots on top of it online and superusers (potripper).
These smaller sites like global poker i am sure have them. There tables are always full and i will watch and sometimes the same 5 palyers wont leave a table for 4 or 5 hrs. Real people dont all sit on the same table for 4 or 5 hrs. Maybe 1 or 2 do who grind all day but those are bots or workers. Thats the problem with online poker she doesn't want to say those things but she knows somethings up. Its why all the online pokers quit. doug polk, dwan, galfond, ivey, antonius, doyle, mike matusow, gus hansen etc. I think Joey Ingram finally figured it out its shady now. It takes people 3 or 4 years to realize to much shady stuff is going on. I think playing mtts or anything where you constantly switch tables is some what fair but if its one table cash game, mtt sng etc yoru going ot be cheated out of your money quite often online. And live scotty nguyen said they cheat on every cash table so he retired from poker even live.
The Boss
Rock Star
Silver Level
Online poker is admittedly more of a grind compared to live poker. The other thing too is that the social aspect of poker is essentially missing in online poker. Vanessa Selbst's skills are perhaps best used in nosebleed stakes games like Bobby's Room. I like online poker because of how convenient it is. However, if I was good at $5/$10 NLHE games or even $20/$40 Stud, I'd rather play live than online just to make an image for myself haha.
radartodd69
Rock Star
Silver Level
I think the problem is not the sites. I think that people are getting better and better at the game at the same time you are getting better at the game. I think the field is really tough to get through for a beginner or advanced player. Poker used to be a lot easier. Unfortunately that's not the case anymore.
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collesut
Enthusiast
Silver Level
Infromation
People have more and more info on others these days and there Is a lot of situations that you can go thruogh much quicker now because game Is a lot fastet these days , guys now play 10000 12000 hands a month so of course everything Is tuffer because everybody Is so good at analayzing every nove of her/his oponent.
People have more and more info on others these days and there Is a lot of situations that you can go thruogh much quicker now because game Is a lot fastet these days , guys now play 10000 12000 hands a month so of course everything Is tuffer because everybody Is so good at analayzing every nove of her/his oponent.
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Pillivey
Rising Star
Bronze Level
morals
Sounds like she's not down with how they get new players and find there ways to be deceitful . Not that online poker is not beatable . But she is saying the skill level required will not be posseed or obtained in such an easy manor
Sounds like she's not down with how they get new players and find there ways to be deceitful . Not that online poker is not beatable . But she is saying the skill level required will not be posseed or obtained in such an easy manor
Vilgeoforc
Visionary
Bronze Level
I think Vanessa could not continue her online career because of her temperament. I saw her play on the EPT. She was annoyed by any little thing. Up to the point that she expressed dissatisfaction with what the enemy thought for a long time, before calling her all-in! And such a person - choleric is not easy to sit in front of a computer for days. It's a genie locked in a bottle.
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Avvavva
Enthusiast
Silver Level
Agreed!
RiverLord90
Rock Star
Silver Level
After watching Joe Ingram's videos on ACR cheating (bots, collusion, superuser, etc.), I'm really thinking about switching back to betonline or ignition. I only stick around for the freerolls.
But a lot of people are winning player online and make a lot of money so I don't think this is necessary true.
But a lot of people are winning player online and make a lot of money so I don't think this is necessary true.
takinitSLEAZEE
Legend
Loyaler
Online poker being unbeatable is a lie because if it wasn't then it wouldn't exist. I believe Ms. Selbst is dealing w/a moral issue, after all she is an attorney. She's basically Helmuth's female doppelganger. She can't stand to lose AT ALL! Making a statement like this is her way of setting herself apart from the online community, imo.
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Smokewood
Visionary
Silver Level
Everyone who plays online is taking it seriously. Live you have drunks who are watching football, some dude who just came to the casino to watch a concert, some dude who just got lucky and hit a jackpot on slots, etc...
The players online are just better.
Also, how hard would it be to cheat? Pretty easy if you ask me. Just get your neighbor to sit on the same table as you and use your phone to tell each other what you have. Manipulate the game, split the winning.
It's like Mike and Worm all over again!
The players online are just better.
Also, how hard would it be to cheat? Pretty easy if you ask me. Just get your neighbor to sit on the same table as you and use your phone to tell each other what you have. Manipulate the game, split the winning.
It's like Mike and Worm all over again!
redboy23
Legend
Platinum Level
I am assuming that she is referring to making money online from playing poker. Boy, do I know how hard it is to be disciplined playing this game. I have been on a roller coaster but think I have seen more highs than lows. Only now, I seem to be settled and putting a system in place. This is a result of many videos and tutorials at pokerschool. Now I am trying to plug my leaks - cash games and bankroll management!
I absolutely prefer live poker - running positive there for sure. You get a better feel for the players and there is a lot more information from body language.
Poker is a fun game in my opinion - live or online - adjustments can be made.
You can take that to the bank.
I absolutely prefer live poker - running positive there for sure. You get a better feel for the players and there is a lot more information from body language.
Poker is a fun game in my opinion - live or online - adjustments can be made.
You can take that to the bank.
Rob Hobson
Legend
Loyaler
Not unbeatable, but a lot difficult.
ACEWOLF56
Rock Star
Silver Level
I just got reimbursed by ACR, for just a fraction of what I KNOW they and colluders have cheated me out of over the past year. I’m as solid as they come, but you guys are absolutely right. This game is not played with integrity online. I know damn well from all the countless number of continuous bad beats on ACR, that what they reimbursed me was a complete joke to them, but whatever. The only tournaments that ARENT rugged in my opinion are the CardsChat tournaments. Just being honest.
Maikl113
Rock Star
Silver Level
For me, online poker is also more for fun than for earnings. But always a great desire to play plus. I have never taken part in a live tournament, as there is no such opportunity on my own. In the future I hope everything will work out. Because I really like poker. Good luck and good drifts.
PaxMundi
Legend
Silver Level
It's beatable but how many people can beat it for say 3k per month every month year in year out as their soul income to support themselves and family ?. If it's believed that somewhere around 5% of players win long term online what percentage of that 5% are pro? the number must be minuscule. The vast majority of online winning players aren't pro and cant use poker as their soul income.
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milka1605
Legend
Loyaler
Probably she no longer wants to be part of the responsibility for advertising pokerstars. A person has a conscience and she is eating him.