Is it Possible to Cheat in Online Poker?

[lovido]

I too often feel cheated at times , like when i will bet with unplayable amount and someone will make the with 6/ deuce of suit and he will end up heating a fullhouse.. it's happened a couple of times, but i do not always pay attention to the user name to be able to know if it's the same person or just a random result, considering poker is not just skills but luck will have to be on your side too, as a beginner i have that too at the back my head while i play.

 

[lovido]

lots of it

Of course, I have no proof but I feel the site is involved. Have you ever witnessed the more chips a player has the more bad beats he wins?

I've had countless badbeats, AA losing against 72 in a horse race.

 

[RennMeister]

Yeah, the house can cheat you 100%. Why do you think the sponsored guys on Twitch and YouTube are unbeatable and make it into the money bobble every time they play? It's not because they are good. Most of them don't make it far during real live events.

 

[lovido]

good idea pal

Lots of posts above about suspicion that some players knows what cards will be open on flop, turn, river and with that knowledge they turn their bad hands in to winning ones.

Poker sites can easy stop this speculations with simple correction of their software. They need to implement shuffle of the deck during the time players use for their decision. How that would look like. Cards are shuffled and dealt, software continue to shuffle rest of cards until the last player finish his action, which will trigger the "dealer" to stop shuffling the deck and open flop. Immediately after flop is open, software start to shuffle rest of the cards and open the turn after last player finish his action. Repeat same process for river card.

With this implemented all of the players would be sure that no one could know what cards will be open and why they don`t use this solution is question for them.

that's a brilliant idea, that way when you win you thank your stars.

 

[FundaMental01]

cheaters

I beleve it happens but since i play online as a hobby.And can only afford to play free rolls or small steaks i dont think i have anything to worry about

 

[drejva11]

I think you cant really cheat, because there are a lot of programs to prevent this.

 

[gerrrr]

I do not know if they are going to know the letters that are going to touch them, what I am sure is that many use bots that is much worse.

 

[okeedokalee]

I play SNGs and avoid any table with more than 2 Russians registered.
If you believe you are being scammed when playing poker, then find another pastime. It is futile to continue losing money doing something you think is not operating legally.

 

[lodi263]

yesss

I'm tired of being beat by a push with the worst hand I've ever seen and I have the nuts

 

[catchitfool]

i think its possible, you and your buddy can be in the same room each with your own laptop, playing poker at a sit and go table, lets say a 9 handed and you guys register together and are playing on the same table. now he can show u his hand and he can see yours.

i agreee or I had my bud tell me how they tried to use the phone to cheat.

 

[Andrei Korolev]

It happens especially when you lose...

 

[Minus272c]

I play SNGs and avoid any table with more than 2 Russians registered.
If you believe you are being scammed when playing poker, then find another pastime. It is futile to continue losing money doing something you think is not operating legally.

I could not agree more - If i thought it all was a scam id rather play casino games, at least you know your getting scammed there

At least thers alot of free choices playing poker

 

[Dzob]

Of course it's possible. At least once there was an affair that the player saw opponents' cards. Also at least once a situation occurred that the player installed a virus on the laptop to see his card.


Yoy can writed on google "AbsoluteBet – UltimateBet Superuser Scandals" or "Patrik Antonius and Lodden scam MSN"

 

[VMVarga]

Online poker sites are not regulated by the US. They are not required to do anything to protect their gaming from hackers who are sophisticated enough to steal bitcoin wallets, break into personal email and social media accounts for ID theft, or crack almost any form of encryption used on the internet. Now, most online poker sites do in fact have security teams, but you have to ask yourself if they have anything near an adequate team of cyber security personnel to keep the wolves at bay. Wolves that are capable of hacking Facebook and Equifax, let alone some online poker site. My guess is that the larger sites that do business legally within the US, in the few states that allow it, have a much greater interest in keeping those wolves out, but that does not mean they are successful 100% of the time.

Bovada no longer has an actual gaming license. They are under even less pressure to do anything about cheating now. Hiring cyber security costs a lot of money, and all capitalist organizations out there are more than capable of cutting corners to inflate their profits. In fact I would say that such activity is a hallmark of capitalism. This is why we need legalization and regulation. Until then, anyone playing online for real money is putting their online bankroll at risk. Including myself.

 

[Entrik]

Of course, maybe there are just people who calculate without programs, but there are people who play with programs ... And it is sometimes a shame that they have programs ...

 

[blessmeavraam]

Actually using managers is not cheating

 

[nenaviju poker]

I often get the feeling that they know which cards will come to the table when I put everything from KK, which they call from Q2o and get their flash.

 

[ZenGreen]

If you can answer yes to any of these questions then that the answer to yours

Have you ever heard of Americas Card room
Have you ever heard of ignition poker
Have you ever heard of Bet Online

Not just possible, proven time after time, teams, ghositing sessions, team viewers, dream machines, and on and on and havent even said the word bot yet

 

[JBGoode]

So this come down to 1 single scientific fact. No one can create a "completely random" program. Same as in poker NLH has not been solved. In the computer world no one has been able to create a program that is truely 100% random....

With this said I believe it's less about the players, and more about the randomizers...

Now people will say, "well the sites dont benefit at all figuring they pull rake."

Which is very true, but if the randomizer isnt 100% random, the system will naturally lean favoritism to players that play "Most Optimal" based off statistical algorithms....

I also believe this is why you see a lot more of the nasty beats online compared to live. The randomizer is trying to compensate for hands that were played too aggressively, and got a fold. Compared to hands that were played correctly, and made the wrong fold because of a maniac style player.... and vice versa, a player that plays too passively, and allows themselves to get bluffed off by less....

Now I dont believe the sites do this purposely or maliciously. It's just the randomizer doing it's best to be random.... but I will say I can see the profit on top of rake leaning toward favoring these situations cause your gonna get bad players to continue to deposit, while the good players are confadent in thier game to hold on to larger bankrolls without withdrawing more then half of it at a time....

This protains to mostly Micros though, at the larger stakes most the players play optimally, allowing the randomizer to actually be closer to random then the lower stakes.

 

[kraemer]

Cheating is possible via collusion. That means that multiple players ( or one player with multiple accounts ) at a table tell each other which cards they hold... this extra information can be very valuable!

I don’t think that another way of cheating exists as long as you do not work at the poker room. Hacking a poker site to see other players cards is probably to difficult to make sense... If you can get into their system that deep you will steal the rooms money directly

 

[Kalmi500]

There is always some people who will try to cheat.

 

[JBGoode]

Cheating is possible via collusion. That means that multiple players ( or one player with multiple accounts ) at a table tell each other which cards they hold... this extra information can be very valuable!

I don’t think that another way of cheating exists as long as you do not work at the poker room. Hacking a poker site to see other players cards is probably to difficult to make sense... If you can get into their system that deep you will steal the rooms money directly

I agree 100% with collusion, but on an indavidual level how do you confront the arguement that its scientific fact that a computer program can NOT be 100% random?

 

[puzzlefish]

I agree 100% with collusion, but on an indavidual level how do you confront the arguement that its scientific fact that a computer program can NOT be 100% random?

How do you confront it? Play anyway and beat non-random poker or play live and beat (also) non-random poker. You have no assurance online that you are not being set up for the benefit of the house and to a certain point there is the same risk live. To confront it you must try and see if your style of play is profitable or not. Take your results and then ask yourself if you are making the best use of your time or if you are better off working on something else, like a regular job, investing, creating a business, etc. If you feel cheated when you are playing, the worst thing is to continue playing and spending your money plus generating rake for the site.

 

[JBGoode]

How do you confront it? Play anyway and beat non-random poker or play live and beat (also) non-random poker. You have no assurance online that you are not being set up for the benefit of the house and to a certain point there is the same risk live. To confront it you must try and see if your style of play is profitable or not. Take your results and then ask yourself if you are making the best use of your time or if you are better off working on something else, like a regular job, investing, creating a business, etc. If you feel cheated when you are playing, the worst thing is to continue playing and spending your money plus generating rake for the site.

If you scroll up this thread. I posted about this.... it's a little long so I'll give you a summary....

in brief, I state, that it's more about how players that aren't playing optimally is what messes it up, not that the site does it intentionally or maliciously.... but the worse you play one day and get lucky, the more likely you will lose when played correctly. That is just the flaw in the randomizer, and is why people at the low stakes take such nasty beats.... at the higher stakes players play more optimally which allows the randomizer to actually be more random then the lower stakes.

Just a theory, but this is why when you deposit on a site for the frist time it seems like you can never miss, you hit consistently, even with non optimal hands.... I believe this is the randomizer optimal playablity..... the better you play during this time, the less likely you will take nasty beats against bad players.... the worse you play the more likely you will lose when played correctly.... it's how the randomizer equals itself out, and its attempt to stay the most random based off the % and the odds of the game considering the millions and billions of diffrent possiblities....

 

[puzzlefish]

What you're describing is not a "flaw" but a design. There are no two ways about it. And since nobody is getting any uncensored access to any poker site's complete hand history and player account history, there is no way to prove or disprove what you are saying. Hence it is not a theory. It is a suspicion. I'm quite familiar with the post-deposit honeymoon state where just about all flops seem to connect and the collision frequencies of draws work suspiciously in your favour. This would probably be the easiest aspect to examine to see what is going on, yet there is no access to get this done.