***June Micro Grinder Thread 2NL-25NL***

[orangepeeleo]

Ok, so i'm trying not to look at my cashier or HEM stats all week, i know thats not a huge thing but its a nice step up from looking at it every 5 mins lol

It's only monday and i'm absolutely dying to see how i done tonight, i think its goin to kill me not looking for the rest of the week lol i can feel myself cracking already

 

[Dwilius]

I don't understand the big deal about checking cashier? I can't help but know how much I am up or down +/- couple bucks without checking...and though I go on tilt occasionally, how much I am down is not the trigger.

 

[WVHillbilly]

I don't get not checking it for a week or w/e, but checking it while you are playing certainly effects most people's play in a negative way.

 

[KingCurtis]

I just check it at the end of the session. I've dropped to 6 tables and have been playing based on every decision, not just grinding tables/vpps or whatever. It really makes a difference especially in situations like big laydowns or calls..

 

[Lemlywinks]

Yea D'wil I'm sortof in your boat in this situation. It's not that big of a deal to me but for some (and maybe subconsciously for us) it plays a rather large rolls in how you play out hands, even if it is just as small of a difference as going from raising A10s on the CO to A9o...

King I'm doing the EXACT same thing as you right now, and I found that it has helped a lot with my game as well.

All that being said, Yay Donkaments I've won some of these befo' but still, a win is a win so i'll double post it here and in the juggarnat section

 

[Suited Frenzy]

When I reach 10k hands in $2NL, 1 of my goals is to be over 7 BB/100. Here's where I stand ATM...

$2NL stats: Hands Played - BB/100

$2NL stats: .....8,787 ....-.... 5.34

I forgot to add to this that these are FR stats. I have over 10k hands in $2NL total but not in $2NL FR.

Update: less than 300 hands later, my BB/100 hasn't moved up significantly but it has moved...

$2NL FR stats: Hands Played - BB/100

$2NL FR stats: .....9,121 ....-.... 5.76

 

[KingCurtis]

nice TD, I think anyone who wins a turbo has skills, I just can't play them

 

[Lemlywinks]

All about iso'ing the weak players after you get that initial boost to your chips

FWIW I'm really not great at em and would prefer the non turbos, but when I have like 2-2 1/2 hrs at my house before I go out they are the perfect thing to play

 

[Suited Frenzy]

I didn't want MP1 to fold obviously.

I put a sv bet out on the turn thinkin' they both (MP1 & MP3) would call.

MP1 folds on the turn to my dismay...:y:

Full Tilt, $0.01/$0.02 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

SB: $4.88 (244 bb)
BB: $0.94 (47 bb)
UTG+2: $2.13 (106.5 bb)
MP1: $1.62 (81 bb)
MP2: $2.10 (105 bb)
MP3: $0.63 (31.5 bb)
CO: $2.05 (102.5 bb)
Hero (BTN): $3.71 (185.5 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with 6

6

UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls $0.02, MP2 folds, MP3 raises to $0.04, CO folds, Hero calls $0.04, 2 folds, MP1 calls $0.02

Flop: ($0.15) 3

4

6

(3 players)
MP1 bets $0.10, MP3 calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.20, MP1 calls $0.10, MP3 calls $0.10

Turn: ($0.75) A

(3 players)
MP1 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets $0.12, MP1 folds, MP3 calls $0.12

River: ($0.99) T

(2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero bets $0.14, MP3 calls $0.14

Results: $1.27 pot ($0.08 rake)
Hero showed 6

6

(three of a kind, Sixes) and won $1.19 ($0.69 net)
MP3 mucked and lost (-$0.50 net)

 

[eNTy]

you get terrible value on your hand there and gave drawers a good price
bet 3/4-close to pot

and raise on flop to 30c-40c

 

[orangepeeleo]

I didn't want MP1 to fold obviously.

I put a sv bet out on the turn thinkin' they both (MP1 & MP3) would call.

MP1 folds on the turn to my dismay...:y:

Full Tilt, $0.01/$0.02 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

SB: $4.88 (244 bb)
BB: $0.94 (47 bb)
UTG+2: $2.13 (106.5 bb)
MP1: $1.62 (81 bb)
MP2: $2.10 (105 bb)
MP3: $0.63 (31.5 bb)
CO: $2.05 (102.5 bb)
Hero (BTN): $3.71 (185.5 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with 6

6

UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls $0.02, MP2 folds, MP3 raises to $0.04, CO folds, Hero calls $0.04, 2 folds, MP1 calls $0.02

Flop: ($0.15) 3

4

6

(3 players)
MP1 bets $0.10, MP3 calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.20, MP1 calls $0.10, MP3 calls $0.10

Turn: ($0.75) A

(3 players)
MP1 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets $0.12, MP1 folds, MP3 calls $0.12

River: ($0.99) T

(2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero bets $0.14, MP3 calls $0.14

Results: $1.27 pot ($0.08 rake)
Hero showed 6

6

(three of a kind, Sixes) and won $1.19 ($0.69 net)
MP3 mucked and lost (-$0.50 net)

You probably know all about odds needed to call to hit certain outs etc but your def not putting it into practice so this might be sucking eggs for you but i'll go over it anyways.

Your betting FAR too small on every street imo, min-raising the flop is horrible on that board b/c pot = .15 + MP1 raise .10 + MP3 call .10 + Your call .10 = .45, then you raise .10c which gives MP1 5-1 on his call and MP3 an even better 6's! min-raising with big hands is a donk play man.

The bet on the turn is tiny considering another possible draw has came out, you give them 7-1 on their call there which is plenty for any straight or fd to call with.

And the bet on the river is daft, it might be a bet to intice a call but you need to be betting the amount that is going to make you the most money in the long run, i havent got time to do the calculations b/c im on lunch but the gist of it is that say if you bet .80c here and he only calls 15% of the time, but if you make a .20c bet that he calls 60% of the time it could still be a more profitable move to bet the larger amount, b/c even though he folds to it more, when he does call it makes up for it and your ev is higher than betting .20c and being called 60% of the time, sorry thats not the greatest explanation but im rushing lol.

Its 2nl man, you need to be betting these idiots for as much value as you can get everytime you have a big hand, b/c they'll pay you off so lightly its unbelievable, guarnteed if he called you there on the river you could have got at least 50c, which is 12.5PTBB's, you make that kinda bet once every 100 hands and your winrate goes up considerably.

Summary, value bet more and charge them to draw b/c they'll stick around no matter how much you charge them, i promise lol

 

[orangepeeleo]

enty beat me to it while i was writing my reply lol grrrr

 

[Lemlywinks]

^^^
What they said. Plus its also important to note that every time someone min-raises, an innocent puppy is killed. You don't want that on your conscience do you?

 

[Lemlywinks]

Also, blog update for those who wish to click my sig...

 

[Deltafrost]

today was the first day ive played in like a week. gotta go to work now then i think im gonna try to go get a bluetooth headset and do a sess analysis for nine lions. if i dont work forever tha is.

oh, +150 on the day mixed between 25 and 50nl

 

[Caseace48]

Hey any chance a winning 50NL + reg could sweat me tonight around 9:30 EST? I attempted my first 50NL shot last night, played +EV ran
negative $ wise though....just want to make sure im making correct plays and bet sizing etc etc with a new limit. I'd really appreciate it

 

[Suited Frenzy]

b/c they'll pay you off so lightly its unbelievable,

I agree w/ everything you said except for the statement in bold. This was a very t/p tbl & they were previously folding to really weak bets when they had huge odds to call.

I was hoping to get 2 callers here being I had a couple reads on how they bet & called & I knew I had the best hand. I think if I raise anymore there on any street, then I would get no callers instead of just the 1. Who knows :hmmmm2: :dontknow:

Thanks for the info guys, I appreciate it :top:

 

[Suited Frenzy]

I forgot to add to this that these are FR stats. I have over 10k hands in $2NL total but not in $2NL FR.

Update: less than 300 hands later, my BB/100 hasn't moved up significantly but it has moved...

$2NL FR stats: Hands Played - BB/100

$2NL FR stats: .....9,121 ....-.... 5.76

When I reach 10k hands in $2NL FR, 1 of my goals is to be over 7 BB/100. Here's where I stand ATM...

I just recently went over 6 BB/100 for $2NL FR

$2NL FR stats: Hands Played - BB/100

$2NL FR stats: .....9,343 ....-.... 6.31

 

[eNTy]

tbh, it's such a small sample that BB/100 is not all that representative..
winrates only become usefull over a long range of hands, something like 50k hands, and even then some argue that true winrates are never gonne be determinded.

because, the game and the players and ur own playing style evolves over the course of the big sample u need to get an accurate view of ur winrate.

 

[Suited Frenzy]

winrates only become usefull over a long range of hands, something like 50k hands

Never heard this before. It makes sense though, being all the win rates (if accurate of course, & from what I've seen on some, they are inaccurate) will be determined @ later stages when they are more significant.

Thanks for the HU on this info :top:

 

[cardplayer52]

Its 2nl man, you need to be betting these idiots for as much value as you can get everytime you have a big hand, b/c they'll pay you off so lightly its unbelievable

truer words were never spoken. its so "unbelievable" i'm getting to the point where i'm afraid fulltilt is going to freeze my account for collusion. that being said in these spots instead of the min raise i'm tending to do what i call a "value" shove. try it you will be amazed what they call you down with. and as said in the post its better to win 100bb's 20% of the time than 15bb's 100% of the time.

 

[WVHillbilly]

What eNTy said (1st time he's ever been right ) plus shooting for a certain winrate by a set number of hands could make you press near the end and actually negatively effect your winrate.

 

[Suited Frenzy]

shooting for a certain winrate by a set number of hands could make you press near the end and actually negatively effect your winrate.

Never thought of it this way. Makes a lot of sense, good info :top:

 

[eNTy]

What eNTy said (1st time he's ever been right )

i love you now

 

[dsvw56]

About half finished with my initial read through of SSNLHE. I'm thoroughly impressed thus far and highly recommend it to everyone. Nothing in it is earth shattering or revolutionary really, but Ed, as always, just has a way of explaining things so they make sense and are easy to comprehend.