Suited Frenzy
CardsChat Elite
Silver Level
Where can I find such a book? Did it just come out?
Where can I find such a book? Did it just come out?
dsvw56
I'm a Taurus
Silver Level
Suited Frenzy
CardsChat Elite
Silver Level
Right on, thanks :top:
slycbnew
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
+1!!!
Just started, but this is great stuff written clearly and simply.
Here's a quote from the first section that's relevant to the many questions (including mine) regarding sd vs. non-sd winning lines (it immediately follows a discussion of steal equity vs. showdown equity):
"Stealing well is critical to no-limit success. Yet most small stakes regulars focus mainly on making hands and give stealing relatively little thought. This undue emphasis on making hands condemns most small stakes regulars to only maginal success. They win lots of money in pots that go to showdown, but they lose nearly as much in pots that don't go to showdown, and their overall winrates hover near zero. If you suffer from this problem, we're going to fix it."
I definitely suffer from this, and I hope we do fix it.
eNTy
Legend
Silver Level
+1!!!
"Stealing well is critical to no-limit success. Yet most small stakes regulars focus mainly on making hands and give stealing relatively little thought. This undue emphasis on making hands condemns most small stakes regulars to only maginal success. They win lots of money in pots that go to showdown, but they lose nearly as much in pots that don't go to showdown, and their overall winrates hover near zero. If you suffer from this problem, we're going to fix it."
I definitely suffer from this, and I hope we do fix it.
I have the exact opposite problem
Deltafrost
Rock Star
Silver Level
I have the exact opposite problem
make hands more often imo
Emperor IX
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
Frenzy you gotta cut that minraise out of your game bro. Also bet bigger on turn (as enty said, 3/4 pot at least)
up to 10nl all you should be doing is getting money into the pot as fast as you can when you're good
EDIT: I just realized that hand is last page, and others have answered more helpfully
But here you go https://www.cardschat.com/f49/stop-minraising-71694/
up to 10nl all you should be doing is getting money into the pot as fast as you can when you're good
EDIT: I just realized that hand is last page, and others have answered more helpfully
But here you go https://www.cardschat.com/f49/stop-minraising-71694/
cardplayer52
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
min raise or shove min raise or shove. eene meene minee moe.
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HAND #1
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Full Tilt, $0.01/$0.02 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker
CO: $1.42 (71 bb)
BTN: $0.77 (38.5 bb)
SB: $1.18 (59 bb)
BB: $1.98 (99 bb)
UTG+1: $0.86 (43 bb)
UTG+2: $2.32 (116 bb)
MP1: $1.66 (83 bb)
MP2: $2 (100 bb)
Hero (MP3): $5.48 (274 bb)
Pre-Flop: Hero is MP3 with 8
8
UTG+1 raises to $0.08, UTG+2 calls $0.08, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.08, 4 folds
Flop: ($0.27) 8
K
A
(3 players)
UTG+1 bets $0.06, UTG+2 calls $0.06, Hero raises to $5.40 and is all-in, UTG+1 calls $0.72 and is all-in, UTG+2 calls $2.18 and is all-in
Turn: ($5.53) 3
(3 players, 3 are all-in)
River: ($5.53) 6
(3 players, 3 are all-in)
Results:[spoil] $5.53 pot ($0.36 rake)
Hero showed 8
8
(three of a kind, Eights) and won $5.17 ($2.85 net)
UTG+1 showed A
K
(two pairs, Aces and Kings) and lost (-$0.86 net)
UTG+2 showed K
2
(a pair of Kings) and lost (-$2.32 net)
[/spoil]
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HAND #1
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Full Tilt, $0.01/$0.02 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker
CO: $1.42 (71 bb)
BTN: $0.77 (38.5 bb)
SB: $1.18 (59 bb)
BB: $1.98 (99 bb)
UTG+1: $0.86 (43 bb)
UTG+2: $2.32 (116 bb)
MP1: $1.66 (83 bb)
MP2: $2 (100 bb)
Hero (MP3): $5.48 (274 bb)
Pre-Flop: Hero is MP3 with 8
UTG+1 raises to $0.08, UTG+2 calls $0.08, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.08, 4 folds
Flop: ($0.27) 8
UTG+1 bets $0.06, UTG+2 calls $0.06, Hero raises to $5.40 and is all-in, UTG+1 calls $0.72 and is all-in, UTG+2 calls $2.18 and is all-in
Turn: ($5.53) 3
River: ($5.53) 6
Results:[spoil] $5.53 pot ($0.36 rake)
Hero showed 8
UTG+1 showed A
UTG+2 showed K
[/spoil]
bgomez89
Resident Thugmaster
Silver Level
i lol'd at the k2min raise or shove min raise or shove. eene meene minee moe.
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HAND #1
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Full Tilt, $0.01/$0.02 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker
CO: $1.42 (71 bb)
BTN: $0.77 (38.5 bb)
SB: $1.18 (59 bb)
BB: $1.98 (99 bb)
UTG+1: $0.86 (43 bb)
UTG+2: $2.32 (116 bb)
MP1: $1.66 (83 bb)
MP2: $2 (100 bb)
Hero (MP3): $5.48 (274 bb)
Pre-Flop: Hero is MP3 with 88
UTG+1 raises to $0.08, UTG+2 calls $0.08, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.08, 4 folds
Flop: ($0.27) 8KA(3 players)
UTG+1 bets $0.06, UTG+2 calls $0.06, Hero raises to $5.40 and is all-in, UTG+1 calls $0.72 and is all-in, UTG+2 calls $2.18 and is all-in
Turn: ($5.53) 3(3 players, 3 are all-in)
River: ($5.53) 6(3 players, 3 are all-in)
Results:[spoil] $5.53 pot ($0.36 rake)
Hero showed 88(three of a kind, Eights) and won $5.17 ($2.85 net)
UTG+1 showed AK(two pairs, Aces and Kings) and lost (-$0.86 net)
UTG+2 showed K2(a pair of Kings) and lost (-$2.32 net)
[/spoil]
slycbnew
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
Another plug for SSNLHE...
The deeper I'm getting into it, the easier it's getting to put things together that I've been learning here on this forum.
Over April and May, I was playing around 18/14/2 (6max), steals around 27%, 3bet around 4%, and running around 3BB/100 - in June, I've been having a bad month, and my natural reaction has been to tighten up dramatically to 15/12/2, ATS 23%, 3bet 3%. My winrate is negative in June - the more frustrated I got, the tighter I got.
Just ran a 1k hand session at 20/16/2.3, ATS 35%, 3bet 5% - for any of you who've looked at my stats, you know I've never been laggier than this (still obviously solidly in the TAG range). Yes, I did get hit by the deck a bit, and it's a small sample, but I opened up dramatically (for me) from the BTN and SB in particular. I had good lines (I think) for playing the different villain types on the tables I played. I closed tables where I couldn't identify at least one villain I thought I could exploit easily, and also where I felt a good player had me at a positional disadvantage. I made what I thought were thin value bets that I would've checked on the river normally (they generally turned out to be not thin at all). I had a table where I ran 9/8, and a table I ran 32/22. I intentionally ignored my stats during the session and just played the opportunities. I was able to shrug off bluffs that failed. I'm happy with the winrate, non-sd line, and my confidence (which was shot for the last several weeks) is back.
What's the connection? Well, I've had this problem where I know I should be opening more hands - I know that certain types of villains present certain types of opportunities - I know that winning without getting to sd is an opportunity I've been missing - I just couldn't put it all together in a way that made sense to me.
That's what SSNLHE is providing me - that context that makes sense of the package as a whole. As dsvw says, there's nothing revolutionary here - it just makes sense, and it's giving me a lot more confidence that I'm in control.
Kudos and thanks to dsvw for the recommendation.
The deeper I'm getting into it, the easier it's getting to put things together that I've been learning here on this forum.
Over April and May, I was playing around 18/14/2 (6max), steals around 27%, 3bet around 4%, and running around 3BB/100 - in June, I've been having a bad month, and my natural reaction has been to tighten up dramatically to 15/12/2, ATS 23%, 3bet 3%. My winrate is negative in June - the more frustrated I got, the tighter I got.
Just ran a 1k hand session at 20/16/2.3, ATS 35%, 3bet 5% - for any of you who've looked at my stats, you know I've never been laggier than this (still obviously solidly in the TAG range). Yes, I did get hit by the deck a bit, and it's a small sample, but I opened up dramatically (for me) from the BTN and SB in particular. I had good lines (I think) for playing the different villain types on the tables I played. I closed tables where I couldn't identify at least one villain I thought I could exploit easily, and also where I felt a good player had me at a positional disadvantage. I made what I thought were thin value bets that I would've checked on the river normally (they generally turned out to be not thin at all). I had a table where I ran 9/8, and a table I ran 32/22. I intentionally ignored my stats during the session and just played the opportunities. I was able to shrug off bluffs that failed. I'm happy with the winrate, non-sd line, and my confidence (which was shot for the last several weeks) is back.
What's the connection? Well, I've had this problem where I know I should be opening more hands - I know that certain types of villains present certain types of opportunities - I know that winning without getting to sd is an opportunity I've been missing - I just couldn't put it all together in a way that made sense to me.
That's what SSNLHE is providing me - that context that makes sense of the package as a whole. As dsvw says, there's nothing revolutionary here - it just makes sense, and it's giving me a lot more confidence that I'm in control.
Kudos and thanks to dsvw for the recommendation.
Emperor IX
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
pokerstars Game #29496928360: Hold'em Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2009/06/18 2:17:10 ET
Table 'Alderamin IV' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Emperor XIX ($24.30 in chips)
Seat 2: Mieses88 ($8.70 in chips)
Seat 3: grove123 ($5.15 in chips)
Seat 4: horvatg ($30 in chips)
Seat 5: slimfast ($53.80 in chips)
Seat 6: mbeezy02 ($25.70 in chips)
horvatg: posts small blind $0.25
slimfast: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Emperor XIX [Kc Kh]
mbeezy02: raises $0.50 to $1
Emperor XIX: raises $0.50 to $1.50
Mieses88: folds
grove123: calls $1.50
horvatg: folds
slimfast: folds
mbeezy02: raises $0.50 to $2
Betting is capped
Emperor XIX: calls $0.50
grove123: calls $0.50
*** FLOP *** [3c 9s 7d]
mbeezy02: bets $0.50
Emperor XIX: raises $0.50 to $1
grove123: calls $1
mbeezy02: raises $0.50 to $1.50
Emperor XIX: raises $0.50 to $2
Betting is capped
grove123: calls $1
mbeezy02: calls $0.50
*** TURN *** [3c 9s 7d] [Ac]
mbeezy02: checks
Emperor XIX: checks
grove123: checks
*** RIVER *** [3c 9s 7d Ac] [9d]
mbeezy02: bets $1
Emperor XIX: calls $1
grove123: calls $1
*** SHOW DOWN ***
mbeezy02: shows [Qs Qc] (two pair, Queens and Nines)
Emperor XIX: shows [Kc Kh] (two pair, Kings and Nines)
grove123: mucks hand
Emperor XIX collected $15.25 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $15.75 | Rake $0.50
Board [3c 9s 7d Ac 9d]
Seat 1: Emperor XIX showed [Kc Kh] and won ($15.25) with two pair, Kings and Nines
Seat 2: Mieses88 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: grove123 (button) mucked [3s Td]
Seat 4: horvatg (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: slimfast (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: mbeezy02 showed [Qs Qc] and lost with two pair, Queens and Nines
Table 'Alderamin IV' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Emperor XIX ($24.30 in chips)
Seat 2: Mieses88 ($8.70 in chips)
Seat 3: grove123 ($5.15 in chips)
Seat 4: horvatg ($30 in chips)
Seat 5: slimfast ($53.80 in chips)
Seat 6: mbeezy02 ($25.70 in chips)
horvatg: posts small blind $0.25
slimfast: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Emperor XIX [Kc Kh]
mbeezy02: raises $0.50 to $1
Emperor XIX: raises $0.50 to $1.50
Mieses88: folds
grove123: calls $1.50
horvatg: folds
slimfast: folds
mbeezy02: raises $0.50 to $2
Betting is capped
Emperor XIX: calls $0.50
grove123: calls $0.50
*** FLOP *** [3c 9s 7d]
mbeezy02: bets $0.50
Emperor XIX: raises $0.50 to $1
grove123: calls $1
mbeezy02: raises $0.50 to $1.50
Emperor XIX: raises $0.50 to $2
Betting is capped
grove123: calls $1
mbeezy02: calls $0.50
*** TURN *** [3c 9s 7d] [Ac]
mbeezy02: checks
Emperor XIX: checks
grove123: checks
*** RIVER *** [3c 9s 7d Ac] [9d]
mbeezy02: bets $1
Emperor XIX: calls $1
grove123: calls $1
*** SHOW DOWN ***
mbeezy02: shows [Qs Qc] (two pair, Queens and Nines)
Emperor XIX: shows [Kc Kh] (two pair, Kings and Nines)
grove123: mucks hand
Emperor XIX collected $15.25 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $15.75 | Rake $0.50
Board [3c 9s 7d Ac 9d]
Seat 1: Emperor XIX showed [Kc Kh] and won ($15.25) with two pair, Kings and Nines
Seat 2: Mieses88 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: grove123 (button) mucked [3s Td]
Seat 4: horvatg (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: slimfast (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: mbeezy02 showed [Qs Qc] and lost with two pair, Queens and Nines
cardplayer52
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
more of the "value shove" in action. this is what i like to call the delayed value shove. think i could of gotten in preflop but thought it safer to wait to see if there was an ace flopped.
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HAND #1
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Full Tilt, $0.01/$0.02 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 7 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker
MP3: $0.91 (45.5 bb)
CO: $2.01 (100.5 bb)
Hero (BTN): $2.15 (107.5 bb)
SB: $0.98 (49 bb)
BB: $1.98 (99 bb)
MP1: $1.04 (52 bb)
MP2: $2.05 (102.5 bb)
Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with Q
Q
MP1 calls $0.02, MP2 calls $0.02, MP3 calls $0.02, CO folds, Hero raises to $0.12, 3 folds, MP2 calls $0.10, MP3 folds
Flop: ($0.31) 5
2
8
(2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets $0.31, MP2 calls $0.31
Turn: ($0.93) 4
(2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets $1.72 and is all-in, MP2 calls $1.62 and is all-in
River: ($4.17) 7
(2 players, 2 are all-in)
Results:[spoil] $4.17 pot ($0.27 rake)
Hero showed Q
Q
(a pair of Queens) and won $3.90 ($1.85 net)
MP2 showed 5
A
(a pair of Fives) and lost (-$2.05 net)
[/spoil]
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HAND #1
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Full Tilt, $0.01/$0.02 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 7 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker
MP3: $0.91 (45.5 bb)
CO: $2.01 (100.5 bb)
Hero (BTN): $2.15 (107.5 bb)
SB: $0.98 (49 bb)
BB: $1.98 (99 bb)
MP1: $1.04 (52 bb)
MP2: $2.05 (102.5 bb)
Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with Q
MP1 calls $0.02, MP2 calls $0.02, MP3 calls $0.02, CO folds, Hero raises to $0.12, 3 folds, MP2 calls $0.10, MP3 folds
Flop: ($0.31) 5
MP2 checks, Hero bets $0.31, MP2 calls $0.31
Turn: ($0.93) 4
MP2 checks, Hero bets $1.72 and is all-in, MP2 calls $1.62 and is all-in
River: ($4.17) 7
Results:[spoil] $4.17 pot ($0.27 rake)
Hero showed Q
MP2 showed 5
[/spoil]
eNTy
Legend
Silver Level
Your explanation makes very little sense..
How would you have gotten it in preflop ?
You raised and he flatted pre. The only way you could have gotten it in is if he reraised, or you shoved over the 3 limpers which is pretty useless.
How would you have gotten it in preflop ?
You raised and he flatted pre. The only way you could have gotten it in is if he reraised, or you shoved over the 3 limpers which is pretty useless.
ZackK19
Rock Star
Silver Level
I have been moving up levels .I have a better win rate at .10 NL then I did at .02 NL at this stage.
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HAND #1
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poker stars, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker
SB: $13.95 (139.5 bb)
Hero (BB): $8.40 (84 bb)
UTG: $13.05 (130.5 bb)
MP: $9.25 (92.5 bb)
CO: $4.70 (47 bb)
BTN: $8.70 (87 bb)
Pre-Flop: Hero is BB with K
Q
4 folds, SB raises to $0.40, Hero raises to $1, SB calls $0.60
Flop: ($2) Q
5
T
(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.90, SB calls $0.90
Turn: ($3.80) 7
(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.10, SB calls $2.10
River: ($8) 4
(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4.40 and is all-in, SB calls $4.40
Results:
Spoiler:
$16.80 pot ($0.80 rake)
Hero showed K
Q
(a pair of Queens) and won $16 ($7.60 net)
SB mucked J
J
(a pair of Jacks) and lost (-$8.40 net)
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HAND #1
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poker stars, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker
SB: $13.95 (139.5 bb)
Hero (BB): $8.40 (84 bb)
UTG: $13.05 (130.5 bb)
MP: $9.25 (92.5 bb)
CO: $4.70 (47 bb)
BTN: $8.70 (87 bb)
Pre-Flop: Hero is BB with K
4 folds, SB raises to $0.40, Hero raises to $1, SB calls $0.60
Flop: ($2) Q
SB checks, Hero bets $0.90, SB calls $0.90
Turn: ($3.80) 7
SB checks, Hero bets $2.10, SB calls $2.10
River: ($8) 4
SB checks, Hero bets $4.40 and is all-in, SB calls $4.40
Results:
Spoiler:
$16.80 pot ($0.80 rake)
Hero showed K
SB mucked J
eNTy
Legend
Silver Level
thats cool.. but this is cooler
Full Tilt, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 4 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker
CO: $53.95 (107.9 bb)
BTN: $46.15 (92.3 bb)
Hero (SB): $51.55 (103.1 bb)
BB: $40.50 (81 bb)
Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with 3:spade: A:spade:
CO folds, BTN raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1.25, BB calls $1
Flop: ($4.50) 4:heart: 3:club: 3:heart: (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, BTN bets $3, Hero calls $3, BB calls $3
Turn: ($13.50) 9:spade: (3 players)
Hero bets $10, BB folds, BTN calls $10
River: ($33.50) K:club: (2 players)
Hero bets $35, BTN calls $31.65 and is all-in
Results: $96.80 pot ($2 rake)
Hero showed 3:spade: A:spade: (three of a kind, Threes) and won $94.80 ($48.65 net)
BTN mucked and lost (-$46.15 net)
Full Tilt, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 4 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker
CO: $53.95 (107.9 bb)
BTN: $46.15 (92.3 bb)
Hero (SB): $51.55 (103.1 bb)
BB: $40.50 (81 bb)
Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with 3:spade: A:spade:
CO folds, BTN raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1.25, BB calls $1
Flop: ($4.50) 4:heart: 3:club: 3:heart: (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, BTN bets $3, Hero calls $3, BB calls $3
Turn: ($13.50) 9:spade: (3 players)
Hero bets $10, BB folds, BTN calls $10
River: ($33.50) K:club: (2 players)
Hero bets $35, BTN calls $31.65 and is all-in
Results: $96.80 pot ($2 rake)
Hero showed 3:spade: A:spade: (three of a kind, Threes) and won $94.80 ($48.65 net)
BTN mucked and lost (-$46.15 net)
WVHillbilly
Legend
Silver Level
thats cool.. but this is cooler
Full Tilt, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 4 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker
CO: $53.95 (107.9 bb)
BTN: $46.15 (92.3 bb)
Hero (SB): $51.55 (103.1 bb)
BB: $40.50 (81 bb)
Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with 3♠ A♠
CO folds, BTN raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1.25,
Pretty bad call preflop imo.
dsvw56
I'm a Taurus
Silver Level
Guys, come on. This isn't BBV or the chat thread. If you have a hand with a legitimate concept that you'd like to discuss, fine, but please keep the noise to a minimum.
To get this back on track, an excerpt from SSNLHE :
To get this back on track, an excerpt from SSNLHE :
c9h13no3
Is drawing with AK
Silver Level
Agreed, this thread has so much potential, but you guys seem to think its the poker chat thread.
slycbnew
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
This concept, put in this way, is one of the specific "ah ha" moments I needed. There's also an extended discussion of isolating bad players - to an extreme I wouldn't have imagined.
Specifically looking for players I have an advantage against, tables I have an advantage against (i.e., the seat has positional advantage on bad players and is no worse than neutral positionally against good players), and situations I have an advantage in (position, quality hands, good reads on villains) and bypassing situations I don't have an advantage in (avoiding the fit or fold mentality) is what I've been focusing on the last few days, with good results.
Repeating what I said earlier in this thread, but this has been a huge boost to my confidence as well. I feel much more "in control" - not of the cards, but of what situations I choose to be aggressive in. This confidence has made it easier for me to be more aggressive postflop and in stealing (preflop AND postflop), both of which have been weak areas in my game.
For me, this psychological "ah ha" may be as important as anything else I'm working on.
eNTy
Legend
Silver Level
Possibly.
I know it's OOP and that sucks, but my hand is way ahead of his range, probably why I should've 3bet or folded and not called.
But I think it has good potential either way.
WVHillbilly
Legend
Silver Level
My question is how are you playing the hand when you don't flop the world?
I don't mind calling occasionally from the blinds but almost never with weak suited Aces. I might 3-bet if his range is wide and he folds a lot (or plays fit or fold postflop) or just fold.
JimmyBrizzy
Visionary
Silver Level
I might be out of the loop, but I remember in past micro grinder threads someone talking about putting together a table of all of us sitting down at like a 2 or 5 NL table. We would play for a little while then send the hand histories to whoever to compose a video where we could see each other's cards. Then we could have a few people comment with audio on the plays and what we did right/wrong, etc...
Did this ever happen, or any chance we could get this project underway by the end of the month?
Did this ever happen, or any chance we could get this project underway by the end of the month?
GeoffLacey
Visionary
Silver Level
Yeah I always liked this idea and think it would be good to re-explore it
eNTy
Legend
Silver Level
Well if I flop an ace, I'm pretty certain it's good so I probably check call with that and probably donk or raise the turn.
I can let go if i flop a 3, flush draw i would probably just call flop with and reevaluate on turn, depending on how much and how big the flop action is.