***June Micro Grinder Thread 2NL-25NL***

[cAPSLOCK]

i hope to try 5nl again today. i figure i need 22 buyins this time.. this is how i do my bankroll for moving up.

1st try 20 buyins drop at 19
2nd try 22 buyins drop at 20
3rd try 25 buyins drop at 21
>3 try 30 buyins drop at 22

so this will be my second shot if i can win 53 cents to roll my second try.

I like your BRM strategy. Clear, positive risk management.

Do you consider a buyin at 5nl to be 100 or 200bb? Since (at least at stars) 2nl and 5nl are odd in that they are deep tables.

 

[Caseace48]

So I was just pondering AQ when UTG preflop for a bit debating whether it is +EV or - EV to open with it. Any thoughts? We havnt had a good discussion on here in a while anywho!

 

[jewboy07]

So I was just pondering AQ when UTG preflop for a bit debating whether it is +EV or - EV to open with it. Any thoughts? We havnt had a good discussion on here in a while anywho!

at the micros i would say yeah definitely but once you get higher it all depends on how well you play postflop

 

[cardplayer52]

I like your BRM strategy. Clear, positive risk management.

Do you consider a buyin at 5nl to be 100 or 200bb? Since (at least at stars) 2nl and 5nl are odd in that they are deep tables.

i would say 100bb because i play at tilt. although they got deep stack games i've not played them. now that i've played 5nl and had to drop back(ready for my 2nd shot at 5nl now +$110) i have thought of maybe trying deep stack at 2nl. i really don't know how this would effect a bankroll. i'm guessing i would need $80 in my roll for a $4 buyin. haven't put much thought into this but it seems the same 5% rule would apply. as well as the buyins 20-19:22-20:25-21:30-22. it just seems you would need twice he bankroll for twice the buyin.

 

[orangepeeleo]

I dont know how high this strategy would apply because im not sure 20BIs for 100nl would be enough?

Also a good point, being a micros player it's not something i thought about tbh lol

Umm i think i'll cross this bridge when i get to it, maybe use 20/23 up to say 25nl and then start using 25/28 for anything after that, or even as high as 30/33 if i want to be conservative about it.

Not that i should be talking about moving up anyways, just dropped 4bi's to pretty much right off my awesome afternoon and leave me up just 44c for the day

I really need to stop looking at my cashier so much but i just can't Any tips for how everyone else avoids the cashier or do most people look at it as much as me lol

 

[jewboy07]

Also a good point, being a micros player it's not something i thought about tbh lol

I really need to stop looking at my cashier so much but i just can't Any tips for how everyone else avoids the cashier or do most people look at it as much as me lol

you'll stop looking so much when you start caring less about results and more about making the right decisions all the time

 

[dsvw56]

you'll stop looking so much when you start caring less about results and more about making the right decisions all the time

This. I think it's just something that develops over time.

 

[cAPSLOCK]

So I was just pondering AQ when UTG preflop for a bit debating whether it is +EV or - EV to open with it. Any thoughts? We havnt had a good discussion on here in a while anywho!

You didn't say FR or 6max. I play 6max and will easily open UTG with AQ. But I also kinda play a Lagdiculous game.

But seems to me it is very table dependent. And I will be ready to fold this to the right super-nit raising behind me... ...sometimes.

 

[Caseace48]

haha so apparently me running decent is over back to the eternal doom of not being able to win a hand...rofl

 

[Lemlywinks]

ah peelio thanks for asking. I actually was running so incredibly bad at 5nl that I figured I would just put a portion of what I cashed out earlier from tilt to stars, so that left me with ~23BI.

Doomswitch turned off immediately thankfully. This is the first couple "k" at 10...

 

[Checkmate]

i hope to try 5nl again today. i figure i need 22 buyins this time.. this is how i do my bankroll for moving up.

1st try 20 buyins drop at 19
2nd try 22 buyins drop at 20
3rd try 25 buyins drop at 21
>3 try 30 buyins drop at 22

so this will be my second shot if i can win 53 cents to roll my second try.

I like this approach and will use this when getting ready to move up.
Thanks for sharing it.

 

[Jurn8]

I like your BRM strategy. Clear, positive risk management.

Do you consider a buyin at 5nl to be 100 or 200bb? Since (at least at stars) 2nl and 5nl are odd in that they are deep tables.

+1

at the micros i would say yeah definitely but once you get higher it all depends on how well you play postflop

Yeah its fine at the micro's but once you hit low stakes its probably about 50/50 so maybe not even worth the hassle if you get in some tricky spots postflop.

Also a good point, being a micros player it's not something i thought about tbh lol

Umm i think i'll cross this bridge when i get to it, maybe use 20/23 up to say 25nl and then start using 25/28 for anything after that, or even as high as 30/33 if i want to be conservative about it.

Not that i should be talking about moving up anyways, just dropped 4bi's to pretty much right off my awesome afternoon and leave me up just 44c for the day

I really need to stop looking at my cashier so much but i just can't Any tips for how everyone else avoids the cashier or do most people look at it as much as me lol

I think about 25/28 is a good number tbh, I usually do like 30/35 but a 5 BI loss from the level above is 1) demoralising and 2) overwhelming as your not used to losing like double the amount of money at a higher level and it takes abit to get back into the swing of things after a failed shot tbh.

 

[beardyian]

I see fishes

pokerstars Game #29054014006: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2009/06/06 14:37:18 WET [2009/06/06 9:37:18 ET]
Table 'Lalage III' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: beardyian ($3.35 in chips)
Seat 2: N.Primera ($0.46 in chips)
Seat 3: pokerhaj.dk ($2.98 in chips)
Seat 5: Tompash ($9.39 in chips)
Seat 6: shaktale66 ($6.25 in chips)
Seat 7: Robert9010 ($1.03 in chips)
Seat 8: MrPokerPa ($4.62 in chips)
Seat 9: Hailain ($1.65 in chips)
beardyian: posts small blind $0.01
N.Primera: posts big blind $0.02
McBoltersen: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to beardyian [7c 7s]
pokerhaj.dk: folds
Tompash: folds
shaktale66: folds
Robert9010: calls $0.02
MrPokerPa: folds
Hailain: raises $0.02 to $0.04
beardyian: calls $0.03
N.Primera: calls $0.02
Robert9010: calls $0.02
*** FLOP *** [7d 2s Td]
beardyian: bets $0.04
N.Primera: calls $0.04
Robert9010: raises $0.08 to $0.12
Hailain: raises $0.48 to $0.60
beardyian: calls $0.56
N.Primera: calls $0.38 and is all-in
Robert9010: calls $0.48
*** TURN *** [7d 2s Td] [5c]
beardyian: checks
Robert9010: checks
Hailain: bets $1.01 and is all-in
beardyian: calls $1.01
Robert9010: calls $0.39 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [7d 2s Td 5c] [Ac]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
beardyian: shows [7c 7s] (three of a kind, Sevens)
Hailain: mucks hand
beardyian collected $1.19 from side pot-2
Robert9010: mucks hand
beardyian collected $1.61 from side pot-1
N.Primera: mucks hand
beardyian collected $1.79 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4.79 Main pot $1.79. Side pot-1 $1.61. Side pot-2 $1.19. | Rake $0.20
Board [7d 2s Td 5c Ac]
Seat 1: beardyian (small blind) showed [7c 7s] and won ($4.59) with three of a kind, Sevens
Seat 2: N.Primera (big blind) mucked [8h Tc]
Seat 3: pokerhaj.dk folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Tompash folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: shaktale66 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Robert9010 mucked [9d Jd]
Seat 8: MrPokerPa folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Hailain (button) mucked [Qc Qs]

 

[beardyian]

This. I think it's just something that develops over time.

I have found that your gut instinct is often right and to go against it often costs.

Even if it means folding, it could save you money.

Money saved is often as good as money won.

 

[Jurn8]

I see fishes

PokerStars Game #29054014006: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2009/06/06 14:37:18 WET [2009/06/06 9:37:18 ET]
Table 'Lalage III' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: beardyian ($3.35 in chips)
Seat 2: N.Primera ($0.46 in chips)
Seat 3: pokerhaj.dk ($2.98 in chips)
Seat 5: Tompash ($9.39 in chips)
Seat 6: shaktale66 ($6.25 in chips)
Seat 7: Robert9010 ($1.03 in chips)
Seat 8: MrPokerPa ($4.62 in chips)
Seat 9: Hailain ($1.65 in chips)
beardyian: posts small blind $0.01
N.Primera: posts big blind $0.02
McBoltersen: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to beardyian [7c 7s]
pokerhaj.dk: folds
Tompash: folds
shaktale66: folds
Robert9010: calls $0.02
MrPokerPa: folds
Hailain: raises $0.02 to $0.04
beardyian: calls $0.03
N.Primera: calls $0.02
Robert9010: calls $0.02
*** FLOP *** [7d 2s Td]
beardyian: bets $0.04
N.Primera: calls $0.04
Robert9010: raises $0.08 to $0.12
Hailain: raises $0.48 to $0.60
beardyian: calls $0.56
N.Primera: calls $0.38 and is all-in
Robert9010: calls $0.48
*** TURN *** [7d 2s Td] <font color='black'>5♣</font>
beardyian: checks
Robert9010: checks
Hailain: bets $1.01 and is all-in
beardyian: calls $1.01
Robert9010: calls $0.39 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [7d 2s Td 5c] <font color='black'>A♣</font>
*** SHOW DOWN ***
beardyian: shows [7c 7s] (three of a kind, Sevens)
Hailain: mucks hand
beardyian collected $1.19 from side pot-2
Robert9010: mucks hand
beardyian collected $1.61 from side pot-1
N.Primera: mucks hand
beardyian collected $1.79 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4.79 Main pot $1.79. Side pot-1 $1.61. Side pot-2 $1.19. | Rake $0.20
Board [7d 2s Td 5c Ac]
Seat 1: beardyian (small blind) showed [7c 7s] and won ($4.59) with three of a kind, Sevens
Seat 2: N.Primera (big blind) mucked [8h Tc]
Seat 3: pokerhaj.dk folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Tompash folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: shaktale66 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Robert9010 mucked [9d Jd]
Seat 8: MrPokerPa folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Hailain (button) mucked [Qc Qs]

Please convert, it hurts my eyes

http://www.stoxpoker.com/hand_history_converter/


poker stars, $0.01/$0.02 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

Hero (SB): $3.35 (167.5 bb)
BB: $0.46 (23 bb)
UTG+1: $2.98 (149 bb)
MP1: $9.39 (469.5 bb)
MP2: $6.25 (312.5 bb)
MP3: $1.03 (51.5 bb)
CO: $4.62 (231 bb)
BTN: $1.65 (82.5 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with 7:club: 7:spade:
3 folds, MP3 calls $0.02, CO folds, BTN raises to $0.04, Hero calls $0.03, BB calls $0.02, MP3 calls $0.02

Flop: ($0.16) 7:diamond: 2:spade: T:diamond: (4 players)
Hero bets $0.04, BB calls $0.04, MP3 raises to $0.12, BTN raises to $0.60, Hero calls $0.56, BB calls $0.38 and is all-in, MP3 calls $0.48, Hero checks, MP3 checks, BTN raises to $1.01 and is all-in, Hero calls $1.01, MP3 calls $0.39 and is all-in

Results:[spoil] $3.59 pot
Hero showed 7:club: 7:spade: (three of a kind, Sevens) and won $4.59 ($3.54 net)
BTN mucked Q:club: Q:spade: (a pair of Queens) and lost (-$1.05 net)
MP3 mucked 9:diamond: J:diamond: (high card Jack) and lost (-$1.03 net)
BB mucked 8:heart: T:club: (a pair of Tens) and lost (-$0.46 net)
[/spoil]

phewww, I see nice pot sir!

 

[beardyian]

Soz

 

[Jurn8]

Everest poker is a complete joke, if anybody is struggling to beat 25nl I suggest you get yourself an Everest account because its like 5nl I cant believe how bad the players are!

 

[Deltafrost]

Everest poker is a complete joke, if anybody is struggling to beat 25nl I suggest you get yourself an Everest account because its like 5nl I cant believe how bad the players are!

they dont allow US players

 

[Lemlywinks]

haha, just pouring salt in the wound jurn

 

[Dwilius]

I'm thinking of depositing at Carbon, looked last weekend and there were 12 tables of 25nl open, 40% vpip at all of them. 4nl avg pot was same as 10nl at Stars. Only ~3k ppl on at a time avg though. Probably pretty hard to clear the 300% bonus.

...oh but no tracking programs allowed so I wouldn't play more than 3 tables :dong:

 

[Deltafrost]

I'm thinking of depositing at Carbon, looked last weekend and there were 12 tables of 25nl open, 40% vpip at all of them. 4nl avg pot was same as 10nl at Stars. Only ~3k ppl on at a time avg though. Probably pretty hard to clear the 300% bonus.

...oh but no tracking programs allowed so I wouldn't play more than 3 tables :dong:

very fish but no hud and only 3 tables....is it really worth clearing that bonus?

 

[Dwilius]

Yea, maybe not...but with no HUDs allowed I guess could possibly nit up further, nut peddle several tables, profit and bonus? Play might be bad enough for that to work well.

 

[cAPSLOCK]

Is carbon on a network with other sites or it's own?

 

[Dwilius]

Same as pokerdotcom, pdcpoker, I think.

 

[eNTy]

Forgot about this thread, so harro !

May was extremely shit so I dropped back to 25nl
Bad brm/having a 2k+ roll when moving up ftw..
Dropped about 1k at 50nl yo and took $600 out at a bad time as well.
Working hard on my game (hopefully) and i got coaching too this month.

So with the coaching im playing at 50nl, cause thats what i bought it for and it maximizes what i'll get out of it imo. Some sessions I 4-6 table 50nl really focusing on play, sometimes i'll play 16 tables of 25nl but im feeling like its not working too well so ill probably drop the tables down to 9 ish. And further down to 6 if i still feel like my game isn't up to scratch.

we need a PNL thread my head hurts too. can't even keep reading.

I did 2 recaps of the pot odds and outs chapter + the 2-4 rule in another micro thread, i think it was the February one. So you might want to search it if you really want to see. Now that i dont have to read any more books for school i started in PNL again, im around the commitment chapter, so im down for a PNL thread. But from what ive seen in other book threads they sort of die out quickly because people lose interest or dont want to do the work.

Oh and Jurn, yes 25nl on Everest is ridic, it's like valuetown heaven. The problem is it completely fracked my game up, see my May mountain thread.
I started barreling everyone and pushing people off hands, red line skyrocketing while keeping the blue line rizing too since they suck so hard.
50nl is a bit harder there, but when i returned to stars/tilt i got owned so hard cause my game got completely screwed up .
So watch it !

And I wouldn't be me if I didn't spam a graph so here it is.
June can start now imo: