Building from a baby bankroll

beccra

beccra

Rising Star
Bronze Level
Joined
Aug 3, 2017
Total posts
14
Chips
0
I also found this really helpful, thank you. I'm currently trying to remain disciplined and follow this strategy, so I don't lose my tiny bankroll - I haven't improved my bankroll by a lot since I started, but at least it's still been a net gain!
 
OzExorcist

OzExorcist

Broomcorn's uncle
Bronze Level
Joined
Aug 6, 2007
Total posts
8,586
Awards
1
Chips
1
I've built up a decent bankroll($120). I'm not sure on when I should move up in stakes. I'm currently playing .01/.02, .50 mtt(after Im up on the day), and 1.50 sng. I've had success at all, so I'm also not sure what to stick to or when I should ultimately move up? Thanks for the help

First off, congrats, you're doing well :)

Let's say $2NL is your main game. Right now you have 60 buyins, which is pretty solid.

On most sites, the next level up you'll have available is $5NL. If you moved up right now with a $120 bankroll, you'd only have 24 buyins. That's on the low side, even using an aggressive BRM strategy.

So I'd stick with $2NL for the time being, and think about moving up once you've got about 40-50 buyins for the higher level (so around $200-$250 for $5NL)
 
ScottieDuncan

ScottieDuncan

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Nov 23, 2012
Total posts
1,286
Awards
1
Chips
1
It can be done. I play on ignition(transfer from Bovada) and several other sites. I have never deposited on any of them. My BR was started from freerolls.
 
W

Wellingtonaakkk

Enthusiast
Silver Level
Joined
Sep 25, 2017
Total posts
45
Chips
0
the best way is a player that is started by pokerstrategy tell you how long it took the adress 50k
Of course you can not trust, because there are no plays, every day and other results by tournaments. Emphas an information of factors. However 10 years is possible for sure, as a year, it is also possible LOOL does not give to answer.
 
charlie2013

charlie2013

Visionary
Silver Level
Joined
Jul 13, 2013
Total posts
548
Chips
0
liked your post!! very well explainned! posts like these, we have always to come here and check just for a minute read...Thanks cheers
 
Huble

Huble

Rock Star
Silver Level
Joined
Feb 16, 2016
Total posts
240
Chips
0
Good post,it's very well explained,thanks for informations
 
L

lstork

Rising Star
Bronze Level
Joined
Jul 19, 2017
Total posts
8
Chips
0
Even tho it's a few years old. Still great advise. Thanks
 
ankitantil

ankitantil

Rock Star
Silver Level
Joined
Jul 30, 2017
Total posts
294
Chips
0
I prefer sit and go tournament max 2 or double up in 888poker best way to build your bankroll. Because i am good at heads up tournament
Once i won 13 games in a row.
and i think blackjack online live casino is also good to build your bankroll. The only thing you need is little bit understanding.( golden rule never check river depth by both feet i mean never put your whole bankroll at once. )
 
Fisherman_63

Fisherman_63

Enthusiast
Silver Level
Joined
Sep 1, 2017
Total posts
92
Chips
0
A good post there is something to think about from me at the very problemma with bankroll management
 
melodyman169

melodyman169

Rock Star
Silver Level
Joined
Jul 21, 2017
Total posts
169
Chips
0
Read this post first time, thank you for advice :)
 
K

Kingcooper

Enthusiast
Silver Level
Joined
Nov 25, 2013
Total posts
40
Awards
1
Chips
10
Interesting read. I think I play MTT's way too much at the moment, even to the point of playing every one at my two local casinos haha
 
G

Gekas

Rising Star
Bronze Level
Joined
Aug 24, 2017
Total posts
3
Chips
0
Cool phrase about the river, but for some reason I always dive)
 
T

TinskiM

Enthusiast
Silver Level
Joined
Oct 13, 2017
Total posts
49
Chips
0
Hard to

Good post,,thanks for informations. I can only win a small amount.
A few times I played big tournaments without cashing even $1. I do not know what I am doing wrong?
 
OzExorcist

OzExorcist

Broomcorn's uncle
Bronze Level
Joined
Aug 6, 2007
Total posts
8,586
Awards
1
Chips
1
A few times I played big tournaments without cashing even $1. I do not know what I am doing wrong?

It's entirely possible you're doing nothing wrong - that's just the nature of big-field tournaments. It's perfectly normal to go for stretches where you don't cash at all, even if you're playing well. Those cold stretches are supposed to be offset by the times when you run deep and pick up a huge win.
 
D

Dantooos

Rising Star
Bronze Level
Joined
Oct 17, 2017
Total posts
13
Chips
0
No matter what limit you play, the best way to build bankroll is the advantage (edge) over your opponents.

There is only one method to improve their skill: to play a lot and study a lot.

Having worked in the past with almost 100 pupils in the lower limits, I came to the conclusion that the main barrier that keeps us forward is the fundamental ignorance of things.

To break of the Micros you don't need to be the greatest poker player. Not even close to necessary.

But you need a clear understanding of basic things:

what hands and what positions should be played;
when 3-bet, and when to just call;
what size bets to use on preflop and postflop;
when to value bet and when to bluff postflop;
understanding how to pick up small pots from weak opponents.
And so on.

All these moments perfectly disassembled in numerous poker books, articles and videos dedicated to the game at the lower limits. Poker forums, YouTube videos and streams can also be useful when you are learning the basics. But perhaps the most effective way – learning from the coach.

So there are many different ways to improve your poker skills. And it's definitely a good idea to spend (read "invested") some of your free time to learn the fundamental principles and concepts of the poker game.

And all because you will never start to grow the limits and you will never see how your bankroll is growing rapidly, if at a poker table you make elementary mistakes. And even if at a very slow pace you get to move up stakes, at the higher limits they will be even stronger to influence the quality of your game, as opponents will be more experienced and more aggressive.
 
D

Dantooos

Rising Star
Bronze Level
Joined
Oct 17, 2017
Total posts
13
Chips
0
If you want to quickly build your bankroll, then you definitely need to play for nice tables, that is, where there were a lot of weak players. The reason is that your winrate is directly connected with opponents against whom you play.

You do not need to be the best player at the table, but you at least need to significantly surpass the skill of some of your competitors.

Here are the parameters by which you can quickly calculate a bad player:

plays too many hands;
often limit preflop;
too many calls after the flop;
makes a small, weak bet.
And so on.

If you have a big enough sample, you can go to the database PokerTracker or Holdem Manager and see how many plays such weak players.

Open the My Reports tab and set the filter for players whose VPIP is 40% or more. You will probably notice that they are playing with figures something like -20bb/100. And depending on how bad they are postflop, this figure can even reach -50bb/100, and in some cases all -100bb/100.

If you compare these figures with the indicators of the worst regulars of your limit, then you will realize how awful fishy. Even a very weak regulars, with whom you will encounter at the tables is usually not play worse than -5bb/100.

The oily fish is losing money 5-10 times faster than the worst regular so you should definitely look for the guys with VPIP of 40%+!

You have to treat the table-select very seriously, especially in modern conditions, when the weak region is becoming more and sweet fish less.
 
D

Dantooos

Rising Star
Bronze Level
Joined
Oct 17, 2017
Total posts
13
Chips
0
So, you have a good understanding of the fundamentals, and you know how to find bad players. What's next?

Although I'm a big supporter of conservative bankroll management, I also understand that in poker, real money spinning at high stakes. No one has been able to become rich, years of playing on the Micros.

So if you really want to quickly build your bankroll, then from time to time you need to make forays into higher limits.

One of the ways to try a higher limit is to find there is a delicious table. If I notice a huge fish, lapping at the limit higher than what I usually play, almost always I without delay in joining the table.

The reason is simple: oily fish is the main fuel for your winrate.

I know that the regulars at the higher limits are tougher and better, and I won't have a lot of information about the features of their game. However, I sit down for a table not to play against the regulars. I go there just for bad players.

For these reasons, it is extremely important that you have position on the fish. In General, you will always earn more if fish will sit on your right hand, but during attacks, this aspect becomes even more important, because often you will have a large advantage over other players of the table.

The point is that if I can't sit to the left of the fish, then I just won't even open a table and play for him. And this is a very important time of our third way to build bankroll in a short time.

The problem is that to get a table and thus to occupy a favorable position, is very difficult: as soon as the big fish, immediately built up a huge queue of regulars who want to go fishing.

Sometimes you have to jump in the deep end to find the whale and quickly increase the bankroll.
 
D

Dantooos

Rising Star
Bronze Level
Joined
Oct 17, 2017
Total posts
13
Chips
0
One of the important keys to success in poker is a high degree of confidence. The best players make a strong and bold moves, because they are confident in their abilities.

The roots of this belief lies in the understanding of the basics of the game. How can you be sure if you don't know what kind of raise sizing on the flop, or have no idea of whether to play a certain hand, for example, with an average position?

All the basic elements of the game (bet-sizing, charts of the owner, continuation bets, value bets, etc.) should be brought to automatism. They should sit firmly in your brain. And the only way to achieve such automaticity – play megaton and analyze a ton of hands.

For example, if you notice the regular, which often makes a bet on the flop, and then often give up on the turn, you should floating it like crazy. And it is also one of the most basic things.

I just made up? Only through a huge number of hands: millions and millions of hands! And I now all the basic things are completely obvious and automatic.

The point is that the deeper your understanding of poker and the more you play, the faster will increase your confidence.

In addition, the right attitude to poker (as work, not fun) at the tables and outside tables as well, usually gives good results. A rational approach will help you not to lose confidence and composure even in the periods when game is not glued.
 
D

Dantooos

Rising Star
Bronze Level
Joined
Oct 17, 2017
Total posts
13
Chips
0
To quickly increase your bankroll, you should have a well thought out plan of how to achieve this goal. For example, let's look at the plan, telling about how in one year to rise from NL2 to NL100.

First you need to lead a fairly conservative bankroll management (BRM): a minimum of 30 buy-ins for a limit. But we also have to make periodic forays to a higher limit if you have at least 10 buy-ins for this higher limit.

This means that once you reach the required number of buy-ins, you go to a higher limit and try to gain a foothold there, playing it on a regular basis (e.g., $150 you move to NL5). But you do not forget sometimes to look at a higher limit (or NL10 NL16), if you find there's a big-ass fish and you have 10 buy-ins.

Also not to forget about timely down limits when your bankroll drops to $100, then you go back to NL2 and NL5 come only sometimes and in certain favorable for all of the game circumstances.

Even adhering to these rules, you are on your way to NL100 are unlikely to be able to avoid multiple bankruptcies. This is due to the influence of the dispersion, and through it pass even the best players.

For the year to reach NL100, you need to go to a higher limit approximately every two weeks, which is not so difficult, if a lot and play well.

So here's the plan for raising the stakes:

NL5 — $150;
NL10 — $300;
NL25 — $750;
NL50 — $1500;
NL100 — $3000.
Thus, you always must have the required amount (30 buy-ins) for a complete transition to the next limit. If your outing is on a higher limit with 10 buy-ins fails, you will have to come down from working limit to a lower level.

Having a clear plan for raising the stakes, having the necessary knowledge and playing many hands, you will be able to quickly build a bankroll and hard to settle on NL100 where you can have a good living.
 
D

Dantooos

Rising Star
Bronze Level
Joined
Oct 17, 2017
Total posts
13
Chips
0
Quickly build a bankroll quite real. For this you need a good understanding of the basic principles, you need to constantly play against weak opponents, to understand when to make a run to a higher limit, and have (and not lose) your confidence and your poker abilities. All of this leads to a clear plan of ascent and descent limits.

The rapid advance of the limits is to walk the fine line of controlled aggression. If you are too careful and wait until you have at least 100 buyins for the next limit, then you will forever be stuck on the Micros.
 
E

emeraldsrus

Enthusiast
Silver Level
Joined
Oct 6, 2017
Total posts
27
Chips
0
lots of good points.
good post
ty gl :)
 
Douglas Gonzaga

Douglas Gonzaga

Rock Star
Silver Level
Joined
May 1, 2016
Total posts
328
Chips
0
Good posting I'll try to follow you in the long run
 
J

jokimazi

Rising Star
Bronze Level
Joined
Oct 21, 2017
Total posts
14
Chips
0
Lots of great insight information regarding poker strategies. Thanks everyone!
 
Bankroll Building - Bankroll Management
Top