Technology used to cheat in casinos

[Stu_Ungar]

SIR, I think you misunderstand what I'm saying. The only reason that I was able to discover this is because of the cheating. The cards proved 99.999999% non random in almost every category I ran T-Test on. I knew for 100 % that it was happening before I ever had someone tell me that has seen the equipment used to do this in the casino, found the patents or had the card tested. I would have never fathomed such had I not discovered it through math first.

How did you arrive at the a figure of 99.99% non random from a card which has remained the 10 of Spades 100% of the time? (your figures)

I did tell say that telling us you had one of these cards would haunt you!

 

[Poof]

Basically you are asking for a little more information regarding the lazer molecular realigning device.

Well, I would like to know how the casinos are using it to cheat. I don't really care about how the card changes, I would like to know is it the dealer that is doing it and if so how. If it is not the dealer, then who and how.

 

[RVladimiro]

You are all blind. Small and Big blind... every orbit or so...

(yes I'm taking it lightly now)

 

[Vfranks]

LOL@ this thread.

Hey GabeC, why don't you just go to a home cash game where they don't have cards that change value. Or maybe just lay off the LSD...

 

[fletchdad]

This one is true. I heard they were using microparticulate laser fMRI radiation technology to change the babie's gender and skin color according to your individual ritualistic needs. But sick? Didn't those girls need jobs? If the babies were bred specifically for that purpose is it so different from us eating animals raised in captivity? Infants aren't as intelligent as full grown pigs and we eat those so that argument is out.

In summation hermaphroditic color changing babies and their playing card counterparts are just the next step in the change of the live game, just like the HUD online.

This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ had a couple of recognitions, but must be kudoed (is that a word... now it is) as one of the funniest remarks I have read.


Otherwise, this thread???? Merge or lock, IMO..

But, as WV implied, the cat does not eat the mouse before first funnin with it.........:tee:


But that cut card??????


Classic...............

 

[Pascal-lf]

If you say that:

"The card was an exact replica of a Casino KEM CARD."

Then why did you have to put a mark over the brand name when it will have the KEM logo?

 

[dj11]

Perception is everything.

What I saw in the photos of the 10s, was that the spade which had been cut, was not the same black as the other spades clearly visible, it was bluish.

While yes it is still the 10S, and always has been (probably), I think he is showing us color changing cards in practice.

Stu, do you doubt the technology is available, or are you arguing it is not being used to cheat? Or are you arguing with the OP cuz, well, you are bored?

I think I have stated my position clearly. But if not;

I believe the technology exists, but highly doubt it will be used for anything more exciting than a novelty deck purchased as a magic trick.

 

[dj11]

The crux of this thread is based on this.......

Recently a poker card was taken from a major casino where suspected cheating was going on. The card was determined to be synthesized in such a way that a card could be switched from one face value to another using high tech equipment. This card was chosen at random so the other cards in play were capable of this as well.

Casino technology development companies have patented this idea for several years. Now proof has been discovered that they are actually in play........(more stuff about a patent)

OK, here the OP tells us that an event happened which clearly states an event did happen involving face changing cards.

SO while I do believe the technology exists, hearsay stories about an event will have to be proven better than anything so far in this thread.

Gabe, I'm sorta with you, but you got to do better than you have.

 

[Poof]

Gabe, I'm sorta with you, but you got to do better than you have.

I am too Gabe, but I always root for the underdog

 

[Steve922]

Recently a poker card was taken from a major casino where suspected cheating was going on. The card was determined to be synthesized in such a way that a card could be switched from one face value to another using high tech equipment.

Would you be so kind as to direct us to your source for this information?

Thanks,

Steve

 

[dj11]

Since those pics are too large, I took the liberty of shrinking them. Other than resizing them I promise I did no other alterations. The middle pic made no sense, and I'm not sure what the back of the card was supposed to convey.

Re-sized for normal humans;

 

[dj11]

Oops, I broke it...........

 

[Stu_Ungar]

Stu, do you doubt the technology is available, or are you arguing it is not being used to cheat? Or are you arguing with the OP cuz, well, you are bored?

I think I have stated my position clearly. But if not;

I believe the technology exists, but highly doubt it will be used for anything more exciting than a novelty deck purchased as a magic trick.

Im saying there is a reason other forums have banned OP within a few posts and its not due to a cover-up!

OPs claim is essentially based on him posting a picture of a card with the corner cut out (a card he even states he has never been able to transform) .

OP states that he has also conducted a series of trials whereby he concludes that the cards dealt were 99.99% non random.

I am simply queering his statements.

OP isnt saying the technology may exist, he is saying it does exist and he has one of these cards which are currently being used in casinos, although he has never got it to transform, he has conducted a series of tests that prove the cards are transformable. OP isnt talking hypothetical, he posted the picture of the 10 of spades because he believes a laser molecular realigning device would transform that particular card into any desired card.

 

[GabeC]

The Card is cut because those portions were sent to a lab that does work in polymer optics & organic chemistry

 

[GabeC]

Here is a piece from a patent that describes some of the new technology that can be used to photoswitch a polymer, It envolves using chiral nematic liquid crystal molecules doped with chiral dyes , the color is switched using a wavelength of electromagnetic radiation as to allign the molecules in which changes the band gap of light absorbed reflected.


The main principle of the development of such light-controllable liquid crystal is based on the synthesis of photochromic copolymers whose macromolecules consist of mesogenic (as a rule, nematogenic) and combined phototunable chiral dopant (PTCD) groups, which are chemically linked in the common monomer unit. In this case, mesogenic fragments are responsible for the formation of the nematic phase, chiral groups provide the twisting of the nematic phase and formation of helical supramolecular structure. Finally, photo-tunable chiral dopant fragments can easily change their molecular structure under the light irradiation.
The irradiation with a certain wavelength leads to the photo-induced transformations of the photo-tunable chiral dopant affecting both the configuration and shape of the sidechain group. This leads to a decrease both in the anisotropy of photo-tunable chiral dopant group and the helical twisting power of a given chiral group. A decrease in helical twisting power leads to the untwisting of the cholesteric helix, which is accompanied by a shift in the selective light reflection maximum to longer wavelengths. Thus, using light irradiation as the external control factor, one may effectively modify the optical properties of polymer films by changing the local supramolecular helical structure.
As noted above, selective adjustment of the pitch length of a liquid crystal, and hence the color reflected thereby, can be accomplished by using photo-tunable chiral dopants (PTCDs). Irradiation of a photo-tunable chiral dopant with, for example, ultra violet (LTV) light or other high energy source such as laser, results in conversion of chiral phototunable chiral dopant to an achiral molecule or to a racemic mixture. When one or more photo-tunable chiral dopants are included in a chiral nematic liquid crystal material, the pitch length of the resulting liquid crystal mixture can be either extended or shortened by varying exposures to UV light. By irradiating different regions of the material with different amounts of UV through the use of masking techniques, the pitch lengths of each region can be tuned to reflect a different color, thereby creating different colored pixels or regions of spot color in the liquid crystal material itself.

 

[RVladimiro]

That proves the tech exists, not that you were cheated. That's the bottom line, prove the cheat.

 

[Pascal-lf]

Trying to confuse us with stuff we don't understand won't make us believe you.

 

[Steve922]

What a load of absolute bollocks.

Genghis

 

[WVHillbilly]

Here is a piece from a patent that describes some of the new technology ... blah, blah, blah.

A space vehicle propelled by the pressure of inflationary vacuum state is provided comprising a hollow superconductive shield, an inner shield, a power source, a support structure, upper and lower means for generating an electromagnetic field, and a flux modulation controller. A cooled hollow superconductive shield is energized by an electromagnetic field resulting in the quantized vortices of lattice ions projecting a gravitomagnetic field that forms a spacetime curvature anomaly outside the space vehicle. The spacetime curvature imbalance, the spacetime curvature being the same as gravity, provides for the space vehicle's propulsion. The space vehicle, surrounded by the spacetime anomaly, may move at a speed approaching the light-speed characteristic for the modified locale.


You don't ACTUALLY BELIEVE that everything that has a patent exists do you? The one I posted above is an actual patent granted for an anti-gravity spaceship like the ones from the move Stargate. You don't believe it exists right? Right?

 

[GabeC]

WVhillbilly, Please don't pollute the thread. The patent I posted is technology that is in actual use & molecular chemist have been able to develop color switching polymers for over a decade. If you don't know what your talking about, please don't comment on this thread. Kent displays from ohio which is a company formed with help from Kent State University makes these displays using this technology. They use chiral nematic liquid crystal molecules in their displays to make epaper. Once molecules switch they can maintain that state without further energy.

To other viewers, If you don't have legitimate questons or something constructive to add to the thread, please don't comment. Keep jokes to other forums, As unprobable as some of you think this is, It is 100% happening.

 

[Pascal-lf]

How do they make the colours change?

 

[GabeC]

Whenever you look at any object, The color is derived from the molecular structure of the object or the pigment painted over the object. White light is a combined light of every wavelentgh & contains all colors , When something is white is because it reflects all wavelengths. When something is black it has absorbed all wavelengths. If it is red, it has absorbed every color except for red & that is what is reflected back to your eye. Dyes & pigments are chemically made to make a certain molecule which absobs certain colors & reflects others to make a color. Certain molecules can be synthesized now that are called bichromal, They actually change their stucture or alignment which changes the colors that the absorb & reflect. Also as nanotechnology has hit the stage, artificial atoms or structeral color can be designed with quantum dots or nanoparticles which actually will change the refractive index or the wavelengths of light that is absorbed or reflected essentially doing the same thing.

Specifically with the cards, there are actually several ways it can be done, but most are eliminated when you understand that it has to be done with as little evidence as possible

 

[WVHillbilly]

WVhillbilly, Please don't pollute the thread. The patent I posted is technology that is in actual use & molecular chemist have been able to develop color switching polymers for over a decade. If you don't know what your talking about, please don't comment on this thread. Kent displays from ohio which is a company formed with help from Kent State University makes these displays using this technology. They use chiral nematic liquid crystal molecules in their displays to make epaper. Once molecules switch they can maintain that state without further energy.

To other viewers, If you don't have legitimate questons or something constructive to add to the thread, please don't comment. Keep jokes to other forums, As unprobable as some of you think this is, It is 100% happening.

You're FoS and I know it. Sorry if that bothers you but I'll post ITT all day to let others know you're ****ing mental or stupid or both.

Now stop obfuscating the facts with your silliness. The facts are that the card you possess is nothing more than a standard paper casino card.

How do they make the colours change?

Magic ldo.

Whenever you look at any object, The color is derived from the molecular structure of the object or the pigment painted over the object. White light is a combined light of every wavelentgh & contains all colors , When something is white is because it reflects all wavelengths. When something is black it has absorbed all wavelengths. If it is red, it has absorbed every color except for red & that is what is reflected back to your eye. Dyes & pigments are chemically made to make a certain molecule which absobs certain colors & reflects others to make a color. Certain molecules can be synthesized now that are called bichromal, They actually change their stucture or alignment which changes the colors that the absorb & reflect. Also as nanotechnology has hit the stage, artificial atoms or structeral color can be designed with quantum dots or nanoparticles which actually will change the refractive index or the wavelengths of light that is absorbed or reflected essentially doing the same thing.

Specifically with the cards, there are actually several ways it can be done, but most are eliminated when you understand that it has to be done with as little evidence as possible

More stupidity designed to hide the fact that you have no answer for his question. Now post your proof or GTFO.

BTW I keep a chip in my pocket that changes depending on the stupidity level of the person I'm talking to. Right now it looks like this:

 

[GabeC]

I want to show you how thin the actual dye is in these cards, If you'll notice in the pic with the card at a side view cut across the spade, Only the blue dye from the back of the card is visible, In other words the blue dye has soaked into the actual card, where the black dye has not. The dye in the spade itself is not actually in the card itself, It's doped into a thin film crystal type layer as you can see the small dye flakes in the other pictures. The whole point to this is to show you that the card has been synthesized with thin film layers separate from the card itself. The dye has not been cured into the cellulose acetate as is done with a normal playing card. You can also see when we are talking about the size molecules used to make color, you cannot see them under an optical microscope, Only that the dye molecules has been doped into the crystal film itself.

 

[GabeC]

By the way I guess since I'm a new member here I only get so many post a day, so I will not be able to comment much.

Also I expect many more will come to the thread trying to discredit this as they always do on 2+2. I've had around 25 accounts banned there, mostly for doing nothing other than questioning the integrity of online poker. Since I turned down $65000 from the online sites, they would not even let me so much as make a comment there about it. The people behind this do not want it brought to light, however as with any cheat or corruption, the truth will always be brought to light.