Technology used to cheat in casinos

[WVHillbilly]

Please post proof that a card capable of changing it's denomination was found in anywhere. Until then you're just making shit up.

 

[Stu_Ungar]

Please post proof that a card capable of changing it's denomination was found in anywhere. Until then you're just making shit up.

^^^

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Even if the patent exists, that does not mean that a card has ever been produced. There are tonnes of patents for things that have never been made.

If you could make a playing card that could be somehow transformed into any of the 52 cards in a deck then you could also produce a sheet of paper which could display text from any book. Now if such technology exists, why are companies wasting time producing trick cards when they could produce an infinitely more marketable product that would be a direct competitor to something like a kindle?

Which product has the bigger market?

A trick card that cost a small fortune.. that you somehow have to retrieve from the deck?

or

An ebook reader that can be built to any thickness required that can be sold on Amazon?

So this whole conspiracy relys on a designer smart enough to create the card technology, yet dumb enough to not use it in the most profitable market.

 

[GabeC]

Stu, I have a card that came from a casino. I spent 3 years of my life studying in & trying to figure out how they were doing it. I have no reason to lie about it, I've just been in a position to know the truth. I'm one of the most accomplished players out there so if you want to talk about motives or incentives to do something then I'm the biggest example. Why would I come on record to say such a thing that no one is going to believe unless it were true.? This is going to come out soon & will be the biggest news to hit poker industry since it began.

 

[Stu_Ungar]

Stu, I have a card that came from a casino. I spent 3 years of my life studying in & trying to figure out how they were doing it. I have no reason to lie about it, I've just been in a position to know the truth. I'm one of the most accomplished players out there so if you want to talk about motives or incentives to do something then I'm the biggest example. Why would I come on record to say such a thing that no one is going to believe unless it were true.? This is going to come out soon & will be the biggest news to hit poker industry since it began.

If you have one of these cards then please post a video of you transforming it from one card to another.

Please hold a copy of todays newspaper and the words "Hi Stu" so we can verify this video was shot by you.

 

[GabeC]

Well I put my money where my mouth it, I turned down a total of $65000 in 2 TV appearances from Full Tilt & poker stars because of their use of biased software.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache5LeoLK4EsAJ:www.bluffmagazine.com/videos/video.asp%3Fvid%3D356+gabe+costner+bluff+interview&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&source=www.google.com

 

[Poof]

I cannot get the vid to load after the commercial

 

[Stu_Ungar]

Well I put my money where my mouth it, I turned down a total of $65000 in 2 TV appearances from Full Tilt & Poker Stars because of their use of biased software.

Can you post some evidence showing that it is bias and how you came to that conclusion.

I also cant get the vid to play, but as it is under 2 mins long I would assume that there will be little in the way iof evidence within it, so I would obviously like to see the research you base your conclusion upon.

 

[Poof]

 

[baudib1]

This is BS, newly registered users are posting this on various poker forums.

 

[Stu_Ungar]

Stu, I have a card that came from a casino. I spent 3 years of my life studying in & trying to figure out how they were doing it.

GabeC I'm afraid you shot yourself in the foot with this line.

You claim to have one of these cards in your possession, so naturally, now we want to see it.

There isnt really anything more to discuss until you post us a video of the card you have just told us you have.

Can anyone here think of a good reason why GabeC would come here, to CC to warn us about these cards yet refuse to post a video of one in action when asked to do so?

 

[GabeC]

STU, I don't personally own all the high tech laser & monitoring equipment that is used to do this, The molecules switch on a very narrow frequency of electromagnetic radiation, thus why they haven't been caught up to this point.

And lastly the very reason that they can get away with something like this is because of ShillTards like yourself that don't have the mental capacity to fathom how it could be done. GL to you, If anyone has legitimate question Id be glad to answer when I have time, unfortunately I don't have enough time to keep responding to sheep heads that have their heads buried 10 feet under the ground.

 

[Poof]

Can anyone here think of a good reason why GabeC would come here, to CC to warn us about these cards yet refuse to post a video of one in action when asked to do so?

Because he is running out of forums to post it on?
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/technology-live-poker-1022440/

 

[Tammy]

STU, I don't personally own all the high tech laser & monitoring equipment that is used to do this, The molecules switch on a very narrow frequency of electromagnetic radiation, thus why they haven't been caught up to this point.

And lastly the very reason that they can get away with something like this is because of ShillTards like yourself that don't have the mental capacity to fathom how it could be done. GL to you, If anyone has legitimate question Id be glad to answer when I have time, unfortunately I don't have enough time to keep responding to sheep heads that have their heads buried 10 feet under the ground.

When people aren't buying your bs story because you have no proof, go to plan B and bust out the insults. But make sure to target the most level-headed poster itt with the most reasonable, no-brainer requests. Win?

 

[Stu_Ungar]

STU, I don't personally own all the high tech laser & monitoring equipment that is used to do this, The molecules switch on a very narrow frequency of electromagnetic radiation, thus why they haven't been caught up to this point.

If transforming the card requires so much equipment, wouldn't the equipment itself be a bit of a give-away?

How often do you see a poker player sat at a table with something akin to a CAT scan machine next to him?

You said you have one of these cards in your possession, Im not asking yopu to manufacture one of them Im simply asking you to shoot a video of the card you already have.

 

[Poof]

When people aren't buying your bs story because you have no proof, go to plan B and bust out the insults. But make sure to target the most level-headed poster itt with the most reasonable, no-brainer requests. Winning?

FYP

 

[Stu_Ungar]

If anyone has legitimate question Id be glad to answer when I have time, unfortunately I don't have enough time to keep responding to sheep heads that have their heads buried 10 feet under the ground.

I have already made a legitimate request.

I would like to see a video of the card you told us you have transforming.

 

[dj11]

I don't doubt that the OP fear of a rigged deck could happen. I do doubt whether it will ever gain any traction. Perhaps as a novelty magic trick. But if a deck like this ever showed up in any live game, home or casino, and was busted, there would be dead bodies involved.

 

[RVladimiro]

There are much easier ways to "transform" a card in a magic trick. Anyway, I still think this exists but it is related to manufacturing not on the table.

 

[bellevuelimo]

*Curses his grade 8 Latin teacher for kicking him out of class*

In a sense, you are correct. casinos don't seem to be focusing entirely upon security; but don't fool yourself into believing that the magnitude of loss goes unnoticed by the casino upper echelon. As for paying for a chip order by stopping theft, it can happen in a heartbeat? remember, theft not only centers around card counting (and other forms of cheating), but it also includes counterfeiting, internal fraud, and snatch & grabs.

I definitely agree with you that a large part of RFID usage should include tracking for comps, asset accounting, increased service, etc... but don?t doubt the seriousness of theft and its detrimental impact.

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[GabeC]

Well technology is a double edged sword, the problem in this case is that the casinos & I'll include the regulatory bodies as well have a monopoly on the technology used inside the casinos, Almost every square inch of the place is under surveillance & the gaming commission has access to that. Only a closed nit group of people are allowed to know what goes on inside of restricted areas.
All you have to do is take a look at the patents from the gaming industry & read through them to realize this is no joke, The things that are allowed to go on inside of a casino would never be tolerated elsewhere.
The general public is not allowed to investigate the integrity of the games themselves. This is a huge problem. The gaming commission is supposed to do that for us, but wait they make very small saleries & guess what the establishment has much more money for anyone willing to work on their side instead. Not only can they bribe workers but they can outright appoint them to office since they have cronies in our government & its being done right in front of our eyes.
With that much money flowing around how could you honestly expect that there isn't someone inside trying to get it.
Hell I just read a news report today that a baby factory was busted in Nigeria where 32 teenage girls were being held captive & forced pregnancy so the babies could be sold as slaves or used in rituals. There are some sick bastards out there. You think really big time organized crime isn't involved in gaming. That's where crooks are drown to, its inevitable.

 

[Stu_Ungar]

Well technology is a double edged sword, the problem in this case is that the casinos & I'll include the regulatory bodies as well have a monopoly on the technology used inside the casinos, Almost every square inch of the place is under surveillance & the gaming commission has access to that. Only a closed nit group of people are allowed to know what goes on inside of restricted areas.

You told us you have one of these cards.

Were they giving them away that day? Or did you steal it form deep within the casino vault in an Oceans 11 type raid?

I told you you had shot yourself in the foot by telling us you had one of these cards.

 

[alaskabill]

In a sense, you are correct. Casinos don't seem to be focusing entirely upon security; but don't fool yourself into believing that the magnitude of loss goes unnoticed by the casino upper echelon. As for paying for a chip order by stopping theft, it can happen in a heartbeat? remember, theft not only centers around card counting (and other forms of cheating), but it also includes counterfeiting, internal fraud, and snatch & grabs.

I definitely agree with you that a large part of RFID usage should include tracking for comps, asset accounting, increased service, etc... but don?t doubt the seriousness of theft and its detrimental impact.

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You realize that card counting is not cheating. That is not just my opinion, courts in Nevada and New Jersey have ruled on this. The casino's in Vegas can bar you because its private property but they can't prosecute you because its not illegal. In New Jersey, they can't even bar you. Its not ilegal to play the game well enough to win even if the house doesn't like it.

 

[NO9NOJNOKNOH]

any forum members here ever turn down $65,000 except GabeC lol ahh sht! this was interesting..seeing every1 including me responding to this BS lol this post is not even gonna be a quality one but its worth it.. just wanted to let this GabeC know (that I was LMFAO the whole read) its funny cuz when I lose I say to my self dam I should'nt of done that or this?? but this guy believes theres some form of cheating goning on even "Live" hahahahahahahahaha cant wait to tell my buddys about this one..gl to all that believe in making mistakes and a loser's mentallty is that there's got be some kind of "Cheating" cuz I'm the best and dadadadadadada lol get over your self we all live by the sword we all shall die by the sword...gesh.wow. alright ..Shuffle up and deal!!!!!

 

[IveGot0uts]

a baby factory was busted in Nigeria where 32 teenage girls were being held captive & forced pregnancy so the babies could be sold as slaves or used in rituals.

This one is true. I heard they were using microparticulate laser fMRI radiation technology to change the babie's gender and skin color according to your individual ritualistic needs. But sick? Didn't those girls need jobs? If the babies were bred specifically for that purpose is it so different from us eating animals raised in captivity? Infants aren't as intelligent as full grown pigs and we eat those so that argument is out.

In summation hermaphroditic color changing babies and their playing card counterparts are just the next step in the change of the live game, just like the HUD online.

 

[alaskabill]

This one is true. I heard they were using microparticulate laser fMRI radiation technology to change the babie's gender and skin color according to your individual ritualistic needs. But sick? Didn't those girls need jobs? If the babies were bred specifically for that purpose is it so different from us eating animals raised in captivity? Infants aren't as intelligent as full grown pigs and we eat those so that argument is out.

In summation hermaphroditic color changing babies and their playing card counterparts are just the next step in the change of the live game, just like the HUD online.

Link?