Technology used to cheat in casinos

[fletchdad]

Can anyone here think of a good reason why GabeC would come here, to CC to warn us about these cards yet refuse to post a video of one in action when asked to do so?

yes I can think of a number of reasons..................

None of them put GabeC in a good light, and all will be insulting and demeaning to him, so maybe I wont put them into type.

They use words and phrases like "lying" "full of shit" "rigtatd" and so on..............


where is the vid of your card gabe? Interesting that you keep posting and claim to have spent 3 years of your life studying one of those "cards" you have, but you are not smart enough to make a video of it and post it..........................

 

[GabeC]

There is no value to posting a video of a casino card into a forum if I don't have equipment to change it? There are reasons why most of the evidence is confidential at current.
What would be my motivation to lie about something like this? It's obviously not for attention, Ive had plenty of that over the last couple of years by killing poker tournaments & getting air time on WPT & Main event coverage.
I'm very well aware that most people will not believe this. I can tell you the questions you would ask, the stages you would go through on the way to believing it if given proof , then I can tell you that you would go through stages of denial, but nothing in the end would change the truth. I've heard it all.

 

[fletchdad]

There is no value to posting a video of a casino card into a forum if I don't have equipment to change it? There are reasons why most of the evidence is confidential at current.
What would be my motivation to lie about something like this? It's obviously not for attention, Ive had plenty of that over the last couple of years by killing poker tournaments & getting air time on WPT & Main event coverage.
I'm very well aware that most people will not believe this. I can tell you the questions you would ask, the stages you would go through on the way to believing it if given proof , then I can tell you that you would go through stages of denial, but nothing in the end would change the truth. I've heard it all.

Im sorry but......blah, blah, blah.....................

I am saying i dont believe you have this card, and for me to believe anything else you say, I want to see it. If you cannot even back up this claim, how am I supposed to think you are anything but FOS?

By posting a vid that you actually posses this card, you show that you do more than just "claim" which would perhaps give more credibility to your other "claims"

DUCY?

Vid please, or lock this thread..............

People who only "claim" then make excuses why they cannot back their claims up get on my nerves...............

 

[GabeC]

 

[GabeC]

 

[fletchdad]

r u fkn serious???


OMG, this is too funny.................


pls transfer this thread to the joke section.............

 

[GabeC]

That's what you ask for

 

[RVladimiro]

I have a deck of cards that changes from a full deck to a queen of spades only deck. I've been studying it for 4 years now. My friends love it, it's magic. And this is a true story, I can post a video of it.

Seriously mate, if you can't look beyond your obsession that casinos are framing you, you will never be able to answer two fundamental questions:

Why?
How?

So this conversation is pretty much pointless. There is evidence that these cards exist, it's pretty much obvious why they exist but you can't see beyond the conspiracy theory and that's what makes it pointless. If you are pursuing some knowledge you have to consider all of the possible roads, not only the one you are convinced is right.

 

[fletchdad]

That's what you ask for

read the post directly below this quote above.

I asked for a video of this card you have been studying (well, I didnt originally ask for it, that was another poster, but I was irritated by your refusal to do this) and instead of a video (which is doable with almost any simple mobile phone these days) of a high tech card, I got a .jpg of a card...... it looks like a paper card that has been cut.

OMG what high technology that is.........

I am not trying to make this an attack against you, I just dont like claims that seem to be more based on paranoia than on reality. Especially when I feel that the pertinent questions that follow such claims are danced around instead of being answered.

Maybe its time for an "in before the merge??"

 

[GabeC]

I have a deck of cards that changes from a full deck to a queen of spades only deck. I've been studying it for 4 years now. My friends love it, it's magic. And this is a true story, I can post a video of it.

Seriously mate, if you can't look beyond your obsession that casinos are framing you, you will never be able to answer two fundamental questions:

Why?
How?

So this conversation is pretty much pointless. There is evidence that these cards exist, it's pretty much obvious why they exist but you can't see beyond the conspiracy theory and that's what makes it pointless. If you are pursuing some knowledge you have to consider all of the possible roads, not only the one you are convinced is right.

RVladimiro, What do you mean when you say the conversation is pointless is pointless because I can't see beyond the conspiracy theory? I'm not sure what you mean because I have proof it is going on.
The reason I started this thread is because I was being cheated, not because I susupected. Ive known it was going on long before I ever read patents about how it could done or actually got a card that was synthesized to do this.
I've spent countless hours trying to figure out why & if there was a bigger reason, If you have some enlightenment please share. Also maybe some of these guys here would like to see a video of your deck, most will not believe it can be done, much less that it is going on.

 

[RVladimiro]

It is written in your our own post and I've said it twice, but I'll quote your own original post.

Bally Technology - Articles & Methods to facilitate the delivery of Playing Cards. Patent # 11480345

It's not casino tech, it's manufacturing tech.

Have you even read what are the principles of the company itself? What drives it? It's certainly not the casinos cheating you.

I have thousands of playing cards, not because of my gambling nature, but because I'm an amateur magician. Do you have any idea how much creating a card like this would lower the costs for everyone that uses cards? The only thing cheap on a normal deck is a normal deck. If you ruin one card, you need another deck. What if it could be different? What if, if I ruined one card, I could have just that card? What if casinos could dispose ruined cards, not for entire decks, but for those cards only? What if the casinos have the systems to change the card? That won't be at the table because there's so much money with so little risk that actually using it for cheating sounds doubtful.

Think about it. What would casinos have to win for doing this themselves? And what would a manufacturing company win? What would all business that depends on playing cards win? What if this patent is to be used on other business ventures as stated in your own post:

In some embodiments, the playing card media takes the form of an active media, for example a form of electronic or "e-paper", smart paper, and/or ink code, which allows the formation and erasure of markings via electrical, magnetic, or electromagnetic radiation.

Can't you see there is much more to win here than cheating players? The same players that would be walk and never return to the casinos that would actually be found to do this?

You tell me that you'd like to hear what other thing can it be. But you have posted it yourself in your opening post and you cut a card and looked at it for 3 years and I read your post and googled Bally Technologies in 5 minutes.

The problem is that believe it or not, you have not proved a thing.

 

[dj11]

In summation hermaphroditic color changing babies and their playing card counterparts are just the next step in the change of the live game, just like the HUD online.

^^^^Literally busted a gut here ^^^

 

[WVHillbilly]

So based on your pictures, the casinos use these cards to cheat, yet they still cut the corners and dispose of them like any regular card???

I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter as I'm sure you have lots of other "theories" that go well beyond poker.

 

[GabeC]

SIR, I think you misunderstand what I'm saying. The only reason that I was able to discover this is because of the cheating. The cards proved 99.999999% non random in almost every category I ran T-Test on. I knew for 100 % that it was happening before I ever had someone tell me that has seen the equipment used to do this in the casino, found the patents or had the card tested. I would have never fathomed such had I not discovered it through math first.


You did however just list all of the reasons that they would use to claim why they are using the cards. I'm glad you understand the technology is there, but I don't think you understand this isn't supposed to be in use in casinos. They are being used to cheat.



By the way , where did you purchase switchable cards & how do yours work? Do they resemble normal cards exactly or is it similar to e-paper? Microspheres or more advanced like the card I have?

 

[RVladimiro]

I bought that deck in a magic convention, but you can find it on any magic shop. The deck itself was invented in 1909 but the technology is almost as old as fire and the wheel.

I'm feeling I'm being dragged in non-sense. /thread

 

[Poof]

I am still confused.
If Casinos are using these to cheat, how are they using it? Does the dealer have whatever technology is needed up their sleeves? I am just not getting how this is done.
I am a little slow fwiw. lol

 

[dj11]

I'm feeling I'm being dragged in non-sense. /thread

Lol, be dragged in with a good sense of humor......

Poof, I don't think anyone here is saying it is being done, but that it could be done, and thus we should all keep our eyes open.

 

[alaskabill]

Why hasn't this thread been merged yet?

 

[Poof]

Poof, I don't think anyone here is saying it is being done, but that it could be done, and thus we should all keep our eyes open.

Then I really misunderstood, and will read the OP again.
Thanks for clearing that up DJ, and thank you Gabe for the heads up

 

[WVHillbilly]

Why hasn't this thread been merged yet?

Because every once in a while a rigtard comes along who is so special that we like to play with them for a while before eventually banning them and deleting / merging their threads.

GabeC is obviously special. And besides he's a pro don't you know. We give celebs special treatment.

 

[Stu_Ungar]

So after 3 years of extensive research and investigation, the best you can come up with is a card with a corner cut out that dosent transform?

Is it possible that this is just a regular card with the corner cut out?.... those don't transform either.

 

[Stu_Ungar]

Lol, be dragged in with a good sense of humor......

Poof, I don't think anyone here is saying it is being done, but that it could be done, and thus we should all keep our eyes open.

No Gabe is saying it is being done and claims to have a "transformable card" and he has posted a picture of it (its the one with the corner cut out). Right now its the 10 of spades. In fact, according to Gabe, it has been the 10 of spades the whole time Gabe has had this card, but for some reason he is convinced its transformable.

 

[Poof]

No Gabe is saying it is being done.

That is what I thought, thank you for sparing me from having to read the OP again.

I am still confused.
If Casinos are using these to cheat, how are they using it? Does the dealer have whatever technology is needed up their sleeves? I am just not getting how this is done.
I am a little slow fwiw. lol

^^^Bump

 

[Stu_Ungar]

Holy Crap, I think Gabe might be right.

I bought a deck of cards a few months ago. I hadnt opened it and the Ace of spades was on the bottom. I just picked up the deck and glanced at the bottom card, it was the Ace of spades.

Thats all the proof I need, sorry for doubting you Gabe.

 

[Stu_Ungar]

Originally Posted by PooffyFooffy
I am still confused.
If Casinos are using these to cheat, how are they using it? Does the dealer have whatever technology is needed up their sleeves? I am just not getting how this is done.
I am a little slow fwiw. lol

Basically you are asking for a little more information regarding the lazer molecular realigning device.