Technology used to cheat in casinos

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Recently a poker card was taken from a major casino where suspected cheating was going on. The card was determined to be synthesized in such a way that a card could be switched from one face value to another using high tech equipment. This card was chosen at random so the other cards in play were capable of this as well.

Casino technology development companies have patented this idea for several years. Now proof has been discovered that they are actually in play.


Bally Technology - Articles & Methods to facilitate the delivery of Playing Cards. Patent # 11480345

I'll just post a piece from the patent here:

"In still other embodiments, the playing card media may take the form of existing playing cards, from which the playing card value markings will be erased, prior to being reformed or otherwise generated. In some embodiments, the playing card media may take the form of a fiber based media, for example card stock, vellum, or polymer based media. In some embodiments, the playing card media takes the form of an active media, for example a form of electronic or "e-paper", smart paper, and/or ink code, which allows the formation and erasure of markings via electrical, magnetic, or electromagnetic radiation.

Smart paper is a product developed by Xerox Palo Alto Research Center, of Palo Alto, Calif. The smart paper consists of a flexible polymer containing millions of small balls and electronic circuitry. Each ball has a portion of a first color and a portion of a second color, each portion having an opposite charge from the other portion. Applying a charge causes the balls to rotate within the polymer structure, to display either the first or the second color. Charges can be selectively applied to form different ones or groups of the balls to from the respective markings 154-160 on the playing cards 108. The markings 154-160 remain visible until another charge is applied. Alternatively, the playing card handling system 120c can be adapted to employ color-changing inks such as thermochromatic inks (e.g., liquid crystal, leucodyes) which change color in response to temperature fluctuations, and photochromatic inks that respond to variations in UV light"

A patent that uses a random number generator to deliver physical playing cards, HMMMM

The card found was synthesized using a type of bichromal molecules such as chiral nematic liquid crystal molecules & made into thin film dye layers which are transparent or invisible until a certain wavelength of electromagnetic radiation is aborbed by the card. This happens in femoseconds as soon as the card is exposed to light.
 
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Just another arguement for using a four color deck.
 
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Umm... really? I got lost in this one after the first sentence. Cliffs anyone?
 
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Umm... really? I got lost in this one after the first sentence. Cliffs anyone?

Seems like electric charged particles on the cards (the coloration on the paper) can be controlled and moved around to "change" the card into a different card. But what if you change the card into something and then an opponent has the card you switched to. And why would a casino use these cards in the first place?

It's insane that there is even technology that can change ink around though.


It was a tough read though I'm not certain I followed it correctly.
 
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Sounds like you can get magic paper that looks like paper but is actually essentially a PC screen :)
 
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I call bullshit.
 
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cliffs: live fish needs excuse for why he lost next week's rent
 
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I believe it.

4 color deck would only mean adding in more balls. Might work on RFID technology now, but could work via any wireless signaling technology.

Doubt casino's would want to use this, or if they did would never want that word getting out.

Beware that home game with fancy new cards......

Better uses for that technology would be instant car color change, or stealth stuff where a camera captures pic on one side, and displays it on the other side = cloaking technologies or stealth invisibility.

Really, we common folk have no idea what 'they' are doing.......


Cliff notes version ;

Thought that 4 was an A.....it was........ :eek:
 
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One thing I wanted to say about the card is that it can be done several different ways, but when talking about smart paper, it uses microspheres and electronic circuitry, electronic or epaper has a grayscale image & not very sharp. In other words you could tell it wasn't regular playing cards made of cellulose acetate.
How its actually being done is using much smaller dye molecules than microspheres, Its a type of nanotechnology. Molecules can be made now that are photoswitchable with either electromagnetic radiation (certain wavelength of light, infared, visable, UV etc.) or using an electric field which would require a transparent electrode.
My point to this is that the dye is identical to the naked eye as a reglular playing card, You coudln't tell the difference without having it put under a scanning electron microscope or atomic force microscope. A company called Datalase makes a similar technology it uses to print products remotely using a laser & laser or ink code, They are transparent or invisible dyes made of these molecules that instantly change color in the visible spectrum once irridated with laser (electromagnetic radiation)
 
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Anyone wanting cliffs there are some in the same thread posted on 4.
 
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i personally cant belive it
 
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The objective of that patent is to have a universal card that can take any face value instead of 52 different cards being printed to facilitate the delivery of card decks by lowering manufacturing costs.

As far as I know it is mentioned nowehere that after assuming a face value, that card can change, not with cards this thin. Creating cards that have enough tech to change face value without going through machinery would probably be too expensive to be exploitable.
 
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The main point I see with this, the house players ( yes casinos have people playing for them in tables not able to keep the money won, sits and tourneys ) would get more odds to favour them and get the money to the casino.
 
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You can likely forget/put it as BS, whatever this guy is spouting unless you come across the information on your own. To put this in perspective, this guy (OP) has a history of talking about rigged outcomes in poker. In January of 2009 he started a thread stating he got 3 Royal Flushes on Full Tilt in 30 minutes and that he has proof they manipulate software on his account. He never provided HHs requested to prove he even got the hands.

Quote from May 2009 post:
The question can be anwered quite easily. Online poker sites do not often allow talented players to win consistently at their sites. Parody algorhythms are in use to ensure new & bad players can hold their own. If you haven't figured it out yet, online poker is a scam.

July 2009:
We've all seen what's going on with internet poker. We've seen how software can cheat. Who wants to play something where the cards are controlled by a software program that can be used to cheat.

Full tilt is definately rigged along with all the other sites

The question should be which sites are more likely to run a fair game. The answer would be none of them. Are you kidding? They all use account programming.

May 2011:
After a long thread he started (twice after being closed once) on May 17th 2011 he was finally BANNED. That thread including the claims he posted here, plus a ton more of BS that for some reason he left off in this thread. He has never provided an once of backup for any of his claims and until he does it seems he is some kind of kook.


ALL 17 of his posts since 2009 on the poker site I looked at mentioned rigged software, etc. IMO this guy is FOS
 
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The main point I see with this, the house players ( yes casinos have people playing for them in tables not able to keep the money won, sits and tourneys ) would get more odds to favour them and get the money to the casino.

Most prop players use their own money to play I believe, but get paid an hourly to ensure tables stay busy...
 
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It depends on the casino, sometimes they can use and keep their money but other it's all casino's money.
 
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god only knows why a casino would do this and risk their credibility and to potentially lose their business which they make millions on per year just to win the odd tournament here and there lol.

Seems stupid and I don't believe it for a minute. Sounds like a "poker stars is rigged" sort of thing. Again, they make more than enough money in rake and house games to not even warrant giving this a second thought to increase their profits by 0.00001% lol..

When will people get it in to their heads that poker for live casinos is just another game which makes them money without doing anything illegal in the hope just a small fraction of these players go blow some money on the house games in the process.

Sure I believe there are casino employees that play poker to fill up games ONLY, but I'm pretty sure these are more than competent of playing as opposed to trying to cheat other punters out of money lol. Hell I'm sure they don't really give poker a second thought in all honestly in these small down town casinos, it's just like any other business which has coffee/tea etc on hand for people who play poker to make their stay better just in return for a very small amount of people to buy food, play other games and other things that make them money, poker is just a small part in most casinos.
 
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Poker is rigged???? Cards that can change face value????

QUICK!!! Somebody call the DOJ!
 
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I call bullshit.
:congrats: aaannnnd we have a winner! Very accurate and quickly translated :D

The actual patent that is cited in this claim is in reference to a "playing card receiver" - sounds pretty scary...until you muddle through the #$%^ patent and find that it's referring to a box to receive spent cards...in other words used to collect and store cards taking from a shoe, played, gathered and deposited into the "receiver" :rolleyes:

From the patent itself:
Abstract text

A playing card output receiver that is mounted for movement includes a floor that slopes downward toward a back wall, which may, for example, assist in retaining playing cards in the playing card output receiver during movement of the playing card output receiver.
Claims

1. A playing card handling system, comprising:a playing card input receiver sized and positioned to receive a number of collected playing cards;a playing card output receiver comprising a rear wall, a pair of opposed side walls and a floor forming an enclosure, the enclosure open at a front thereof, the enclosure sized and dimensioned to receiver a plurality of playing cards at least partially therein, the floor upwardly sloped from at least proximate the rear wall toward at least proximate the front of the playing card output receiver;at least one playing card transport path extending between the playing card input receiver and the playing card output receiver; andat least one intermediary playing card receiver comprising a plurality of playing card receiving compartments, the intermediary playing card receiver interposed between in the at least one playing card transport path between the playing card input receiver and the playing card output receiver.

2. The playing card handling system of claim 1 wherein the playing card output receiver further comprises a ceiling disposed above the floor.

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Now about Xerox "SmartPaper":
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/worldbiz/archives/2001/06/16/0000090313

"Behind this new ever-changing consumer pricing scheme is Xerox's SmartPaper technology. SmartPaper consists of flexible, vinyl-like sheets of plastic which sandwich a thin layer of oil-filled plastic cavities. The cavities are about the diameter of a human hair.
Electrodes above or below the cavities electronically switch on or off each individual cavity's two hues. The result is a two-color, high definition sheet of "paper" that can be changed endlessly.
Unlike other types of electronic displays, SmartPaper consumes no electricity until its ordered to change. The words or pictures spelled out on the "paper" can be seen without any special backlighting and stay fixed until changed by an electronic charge."
 
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First of all, you are wrong about the patent, The patent is called ARTICLES & METHODS TO FACILITATE THE DELIVERY OF PLAYING CARDS. And yes it does describe more than one method of delivering playing cards, thus the part of the patent you posted . Since I am only talking about how cards are being delivered using an indicia generator with light polorization, electromagnetic radiation & photochromic molecules, I posted the part of the patent that deals with that.
There's actually another patent that deals with this as well called playing supply card method by JOHN KEITH MARLOW.
patent 6991540, Go to google patents & read the part about light, chemicals etc. this is how its being done.
Its kind of funny how someone that thinks online poker is rigged & turned down $65000 in sponsership money from the sites can dominate tournament poker in the very short period that they played it.

http://www.bluffmagazine.com/players/gabe-costner/38206/tournament-results.asp
Looks like the results from someone whos completely delusional about poker
 
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Am I the only one thinking about the possibility of changing my 20s into 100s and cutting out the middle man?

Also, I actually honestly believe that you are indeed Gabe Costner... BTW, have you chatted to Stu Unger? He is also a member here...
 
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This is part of the patent from Playing card supply method, John Marlow
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25 members and the indicia may be displayed on the carrier members by subjecting the light sensitive material to light of a particular pattern or having certain characteristics which enable the indicia to be displayed on the light sensitive material Thus the light sensitive matenal may comprise a photochromatic ink or coating such that the indicia can be displayed when exposed to a light pattern contsponding to an indicia Alternatively, the
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*Curses his grade 8 Latin teacher for kicking him out of class*
 
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