Matt Affleck

[salim271]

I saw this hand, and after Duhamel called the urn shove, Matt Affleck said to him, 'You have Kings right?' or something to that effect. So you put the guy on Kings and don't ship preflop?? If he ships preflop he's made the FT no problem. Feel bad for him and yes this is a bad beat, but the way it was publicized was like he hit running jacks after affleck flopped a set. He had 10 outs once and hit.

Just because he thought kings on the turn doesnt mean he thought Duhamel had kings PF. He had two rounds more of betting to get information on Duhamel's hand and thats what he came up with in the end.

 

[PlayerPlayerAA]

I saw this hand, and after Duhamel called the urn shove, Matt Affleck said to him, 'You have Kings right?' or something to that effect. So you put the guy on Kings and don't ship preflop?? If he ships preflop he's made the FT no problem. Feel bad for him and yes this is a bad beat, but the way it was publicized was like he hit running jacks after affleck flopped a set. He had 10 outs once and hit.

I heard him say, you have 9-10, which made me laugh, he might have said kings too, threw a couple hands out there.
Look the bottom line is, he needed to 5 bet shove and take the 18% chip increase and cruise into the final table. He deeked around trying to extract the most value out of them and took a bad beat and went home, well, 1st he cried like a little bitch, then went home, I didn't feel bad for him cause he reminds me of the fat nerd everyone picked on in HS.
Look you wanna get cute with aces, go ahead, but the guy 4 bet you and presented you with a nice pot to take down right now. and if he calls your shove with jacks, tyvm !

 

[PattyR]

I heard him say, you have 9-10, which made me laugh, he might have said kings too, threw a couple hands out there.
Look the bottom line is, he needed to 5 bet shove and take the 18% chip increase and cruise into the final table. He deeked around trying to extract the most value out of them and took a bad beat and went home, well, 1st he cried like a little bitch, then went home, I didn't feel bad for him cause he reminds me of the fat nerd everyone picked on in HS.
Look you wanna get cute with aces, go ahead, but the guy 4 bet you and presented you with a nice pot to take down right now. and if he calls your shove with jacks, tyvm !

This has to be the most ignorant post ITT.

1.) Isn't the point of having a monster hand to extract the most value?? like onemorechance said you would be sucking afflecks **** if he won the hand.

2.) He did not "deek" around...he played it perfectly...got it in as the favorite..nothin else he could do.

3.) cried like a bitch? lol id like to see you take the same beat on national television that costs you 9 million and see you shrug it off.

4.) If he 5 bet shoves hes losing tons of value as only KK is calling here...and thats a maybe.

5.) now hes a fat nerd?? FFS dude

 

[fx20736]

Billy Kopp's was the soul crushing hand last year. This one is this years soul crushing hand. Gonna be brutal to watch.

It was horrible. The camera crews locked in on his face for what seemed forever and then followed him into the lobby and showed him sobbing.

Pretty gut-wrenching but he played well, Duhamel just got lucky.

 

[Aldito]

And also, did you see that Pascal guy. He shoves his more than comfortable stack with QJs into Cheong's 3bet with KK and got eliminated, then left the Rio. About to walk out the open doors, he runs right into the closed doors in anger and almost falls over. Then Norman Chad says, 'Why did he do that? The other doors were open.' LOL

LMAO I love Norman. "I believe they are the rambling wreck"

That play with QJ was terrible. I think in the commentary they said he was ~30bbs deep and if I recall correctly he only flatted the initial raise .

 

[baudib1]

Kings were the most logical hand for Duhamel to have given:

A. 4-bet preflop
B. call on flop
C. tank/call on the turn

Affleck reasonably assumed all other hands (AK, JJ) have folded by now or were crushing him and instacall (TT, QQ).

 

[sammyh27]

you push right away but still, that loss was brutal, when u saw his face when the river 8 came you felt sick to your stomach, i no i did and it wasnt even to me

 

[IamRude]

I could never answer this because in my 10+ years of playing I don't recall ever getting AA.

are you sure your playing Texas Holdem? its the game where you get dealt 2 cards not one.

He deeked around trying to extract the most value out of them and took a bad beat and went home, well, 1st he cried like a little bitch, then went home, I didn't feel bad for him cause he reminds me of the fat nerd everyone picked on in HS.

lol. sounds like someone is projecting.

you realize he got in ahead and got sucked out right?
sure he overreacted a little bit, but a fat nerd lol.

a little devils advocate here:
for the guys who say its a big deal the he got eliminated from the ME so deep, no its not. this guy is fortunate to play poker for a living. until im making money playing poker for a living, im not showing any sympathy towards this guy.

 

[LarkMarlow]

I watched that hand last night for the first time and of course knew what was going to happen because of this thread. My guy Mike didn't however. He, like many of us here, thought Matt made the right move. He was also literally stunned by what happened.

All along I have kind of been ambivalent about Matt. I knew he is a great player but didn't feel the real "poker heart" he has until that hand.

I could literally feel his passion for the game and his wrenching devastation all at once. The experience of his raw emotion stayed with me throughout the night and into today. I was particularly impressed that even though he had hardly pulled himself together he managed to go back into the room and do the right thing.

I'm now a fan, that's for sure.

 

[budebuzz]

When I watched this after the flop and Matt put 5m bet in and was called I knew both players were in to the bitter end. Matt was positive Duhamel had KK and Duhamel was positive Matt was playing A something and was sure he had the best hand with JJ. Maybe the only thing that would have saved Matt was to shove all in pre flop, he tried to shake Duhamel with the 5M but didn't happen. ugly!

 

[PNJs_dad]

Duhamel was positive Matt was playing A something and was sure he had the best hand with JJ.

He didn't insta-call. He actually tanked for about 5 minutes before making the call. I think he decided even if he was behind he had some outs. I really don't think that he ever put Affleck on AA.

P.S. I think Me, Onemorechance, Thunder, and PO are the only ones thinking NON-results oriented

Not sure how to take this.

if duhamel misses everyone sucks affleck's dick saying how he made the most value

Not sure how this turned into a dick sucking thread....had to make sure I was still on CC. I agree that if Duhamel misses then no one questions Afflecks play. I just don't know if I could gamble with a chance for a Main Event final table. Right or wrong...that was the result Matt wanted more than to maximize value on this one hand.

Good news for him is he's only 23. He's got ALOT of poker left. I hope he get's this chance again. I would like to see his play in a similar situation in the future.

 

[forsakenone]

stop trying to bring arguments on how he played the hand perfectly, we get it, that's how you play it in a normal situation, but this is not your average day hand, it for the freaking final table of the wsop main event.

you have 2 options, shove, take a small pot, go to the final in a good shape.
play it this way and try to get this guys whole stack and become the chip leader, if you succeed you are in great shape, but if you get sucked out on don't cry like a little bitch and expect people to feel compassion for you especially when you had a simpler easier way to do it.

i compare it to those guys who get close to some dangerous animal to take a nice picture, you might get a nice close-up but when a freaking bear or lion eats one of these guys nobody should get surprised.

or those guys who build a house like 10 feet away from the river and than, when the flood comes they wonder why grandma is floating down the river.

feel me?

 

[PattyR]

stop trying to bring arguments on how he played the hand perfectly, we get it, that's how you play it in a normal situation, but this is not your average day hand, it for the freaking final table of the wsop main event.

you have 2 options, shove, take a small pot, go to the final in a good shape.
play it this way and try to get this guys whole stack and become the chip leader, if you succeed you are in great shape, but if you get sucked out on don't cry like a little bitch and expect people to feel compassion for you especially when you had a simpler easier way to do it.

i compare it to those guys who get close to some dangerous animal to take a nice picture, you might get a nice close-up but when a freaking bear or lion eats one of these guys nobody should get surprised.

or those guys who build a house like 10 feet away from the river and than, when the flood comes they wonder why grandma is floating down the river.

feel me?

No i don't feel you. Sure the EZ play is to just ship it in preflop in which duhammel folds ...but the way he played it was just outstanding!!!! got it in as a MAJOR favorite ...just UL...he went for maximum value...got it...just motherfkcing UL!!!...now STFU and stop being results oriented lol

feel me?

 

[ph_il]

That was a tough way to lose regardless of how he played the aces. Ouch!! He should of took the beat like a real man instead of crying like a little baby. LMAO!! Poker can be such a brutal game.

Are you telling me that you'd be okay losing AA<JJ after 8 days of playing and getting through 7.5K(?) players, only to get knocked out 6 spots away from the final table?

Put yourself in Matt's shoes. Not only did you lose a big hand as a dominating favorite PF, but you also lost a potential $8 million dollars. And yet, you'd take this beat like a man, shrug it off, right? You've probably never ran this good in the WSOP ME before, you've never gotten this close to the final table, so you (and I) have no idea what he is feeling.

Look the bottom line is, he needed to 5 bet shove and take the 18% chip increase and cruise into the final table.

...WTFseriously? You'd rather take an 18% chip increase instead of a potential 100% chip increase with a hand that has a huge edge?

Lets say you have 20M stack. You'd be happy picking up 3.8M (18%) instead of 20M of the time? If you're happy giving up 16.2M, then good for you. Just keep on 'cruising'.

He deeked around trying to extract the most value out of them and took a bad beat and went home.

...This post makes me want to facepalm while holding a brick in my hand. By your logic, you're saying that Matt should've not 'deeked' around and gotten the least value for the hand? ...Oh wait, you're the same person who'd be happy picking up a measly 18% chip increase with the best hand PF.

well, 1st he cried like a little bitch, then went home, I didn't feel bad for him cause he reminds me of the fat nerd everyone picked on in HS.

...I need to make a correction. I want to smash that brick into your face. This is completely unnecessary to say and has nothing to do with the result of the hand. Of course, you find the need to be mean to someone who is overweight for whatever reason. Probably because you have some self issues of your own. I could go on, but I don't know you personally and don't want to stoop to your level.

Bottom line is: you're a dick.

Look you wanna get cute with aces, go ahead, but the guy 4 bet you and presented you with a nice pot to take down right now. and if he calls your shove with jacks, tyvm.

...Taking the most +EV approach is playing it cute?

Above. Oh and if Affleck won this hand, you'd be on here saying how you would play it the exact same way. So, STFU.

 

[PattyR]

Are you telling me that you'd be okay losing AA<JJ after 8 days of playing and getting through 7.5K(?) players, only to get knocked out 6 spots away from the final table?

Put yourself in Matt's shoes. Not only did you lose a big hand as a dominating favorite PF, but you also lost a potential $8 million dollars. And yet, you'd take this beat like a man, shrug it off, right? You've probably never ran this good in the WSOP ME before, you've never gotten this close to the final table, so you (and I) have no idea what he is feeling.Above. Oh and if Affleck won this hand, you'd be on here saying how you would play it the exact same way. So, STFU.

i definately like how we both had the exact same reaction to this persons post...thankkkkk you for agreeing

 

[OzExorcist]

stop trying to bring arguments on how he played the hand perfectly, we get it, that's how you play it in a normal situation, but this is not your average day hand, it for the freaking final table of the wsop main event.

you have 2 options, shove, take a small pot, go to the final in a good shape.
play it this way and try to get this guys whole stack and become the chip leader, if you succeed you are in great shape, but if you get sucked out on don't cry like a little bitch and expect people to feel compassion for you especially when you had a simpler easier way to do it.

*facepalm*

You watched the rest of the episode, right? It's not like he's a lock for the final table if he shoves and gets a fold preflop - not even close. There were still more eliminations and hours of play to go where plenty of chips changed hands.

If that's your argument for shoving then sorry, unless you're suggesting he folds his way to the final table from this point in (when the final table is still hours away) it doesn't compute.

 

[Jacobalyrus]

I'm still watching the early episodes of the WSOP Main Event 2010 (been busy rewatching Mizrachi's 50K Poker Players' Championship) so I haven't seen this yet, but what are the chances (based on Duhamel's range and aggression) that Matt put him on AA as well Pre-Flop, and thought about either a split pot or one of them hitting a lucky (but highly unlikely) flush, and therefore kept from shoving Pre-Flop because: he wanted to extract value and knew that he's either 1.splitting the pot (it's not impossible for Duhamel to also have Aces), 2.raking in the cash, or 3.risking allowing Duhamel to hit..?

Cause I agree that in hindsight you can convince yourself it's a bad play after seeing the result, but it actually wasn't a bad play at all and Duhamel lucked out incredibly, but to be honest, one pair isn't such a good hand after the flop and turn have been revealed and maybe Affleck could've slowed down a little...

I know that considering the circumstances, Duhamel was unlikely to play with 10s, or even Queens, but in my experience (admittedly mostly cash games in casinos) sometimes players put in a helluva lotta chips with a decent pair Pre-Flop and if they hit sets they milk you to death because it's hard to put them on such hands...

Just wondering out loud what Affleck (who's obviously very talented considering his consistency for 2009 and 2010 Main Event runs) was thinking as he played the hand...

Just as a point of interest, how often do you put your opponent on the same hand as yourself..?

Oh, and hi to everyone. Yes, I'm new, but I've explored this site and it's already taken me in so much that I've forgotten about meals
I'm digging it and hope to be on it regularly as a member who's learned a lot from it and gives something back sooner rather than later...

 

[bullishwwd]

Yea, but

your opponent has KK or QQ and with just about any flop your getting it all in post flop anyway so i would say it really doesnt matter whether you flat call or raise all your chips are going in the middle either way.

The move "all-in" is more to get opponent to "fold" and pick-up pot now rather than see flop, turn, and river which you COULD lose with the opponent having a QQ, KK, 22, 33, or even a 72o etc...you still have probability of winning with AA, but anything could happen after his seeing a flop.

Afterall, AA is still ONLY a pair!

My thoughts, Wally :musicus:

 

[BigJamo]

Diffenently shove, AA, pushing him all in maybe the only option here.

 

[TheNoob]

Whatever you choose to do, please don't cry if you lose.

 

[only_bridge]

In texas AA is also known as 'the unbeatable hand'

 

[ph_il]

Whatever you choose to do, please don't cry if you lose.

He didn't cry because his AA got cracked. He broke down because he ran so well just to fall short of the FT. And with the best hand you could do it with.

Shoot, I'd break down and cry right in front of everyone if that happened to me. But of course, you wouldn't right? With all your deep top 20 WSOP ME finishes only to be done in with a soul crushing beat. It must really thicken the skin, right?

 

[forsakenone]

No i don't feel you. Sure the EZ play is to just ship it in preflop in which duhammel folds ...but the way he played it was just outstanding!!!! got it in as a MAJOR favorite ...just UL...he went for maximum value...got it...just motherfkcing UL!!!...now STFU and stop being results oriented lol

feel me?

still don't feel you, sometimes you just need to know when to nit up.
i do agree with the fact that he went for the maximum value, and he played it right, and got unlucky, but unlucky happens and you simply don't need this to happen when you are this close to the final table.

 

[TheNoob]

He didn't cry because his AA got cracked. He broke down because he ran so well just to fall short of the FT. And with the best hand you could do it with.

Shoot, I'd break down and cry right in front of everyone if that happened to me. But of course, you wouldn't right? With all your deep top 20 WSOP ME finishes only to be done in with a soul crushing beat. It must really thicken the skin, right?

I can't tell if you are being serious.

With all that experience playing poker, he should know the game by now.

But we're talking about full grown men literally weeping because they got punched out of a poker tournament, right?

Nobody is saying you wouldn't feel bad. Hell, with that beat I might even go home and punch my cat if I had one.

But adults driven to actual tears by a poker tournament? Pathetic and quite sad.

 

[ph_il]

I can't tell if you are being serious.

...Seriously?

With all that experience playing poker, he should know the game by now.

...He does. He knows it better than you (well, maybe...), me, and probably everyone else on the forum.

Well, except for KingCurtis. But he is like the God of the forums to us mere mortals.

But we're talking about full grown men literally weeping because they got punched out of a poker tournament, right?

...No, we're talking about someone losing with AA<JJ 6 spots from the WSOP ME FT. This isn't some dumb $1 MTT beat we're talking about here.

Nobody is saying you wouldn't feel bad. Hell, with that beat I might even go home and punch my cat if I had one.

...That's just mean.

But adults driven to actual tears by a poker tournament? Pathetic and quite sad.

...Yes, tears and yes, sad. Again, Affleck didn't just lose some random hand. The fact is, he lost with the best hand PF. But if you take a step back and not just focus on the hand, you'll see what else he lost: 9 million dollars. After playing for 8 days, probably tired and mentally exhausted, he is KO'd in 15th place in a situation that would've put him at the top of the chip lead and most likely guaranteed him a spot at the final table.

So, it's not like he just lost a hand. He lost a lot more.

Again, I don't have the same WSOP experience you do. So, maybe this beat wouldn't affect you emotionally as it would others.

Oh and I'm glad we're on a forum, posting in this thread. I'd hate to talk with you in real life about this. I probably wouldn't be able to hear you with all those WSOP bracelets jangling on your arm.