Why am I losing overall with AK?

[Thinker_145]

Yes it is a winning hand easily and if it isn't for you then you are doing something wrong. I'll give you a few general tips.

In position always 3 bet. Now this might be a controversial opinion but out of position you either shove or call with AK.

Never be afraid of shoving\calling 100 BB or less pre. If you are afraid to do that then you need better BRM. Remember AK is the 3rd or 4th best hand pre(depends on who you ask) but once you miss the flop the strength is suddenly reduced considerably.

When you are dealing with short stacks be absolutely brutal and shove pre all the time.

 

[magicius]

Its in 14 place if u ask me but i agree with what thinker said...

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[Weisssound]

I think if your opponents shove range is AK, and QQ+, you really have to look at the pot size before putting the rest of the chips in.

QQ vs. AK - 54% against AK. That represents HALF the range that isn't a chop.

KK vs. AK - 70/30

AA vs. AK - 90/10.

So half the time its 54%, the other half the time represents 80% against you.

Basically with 66% against this shove representing 12/21 of the hands, 50% representing 9/21.

Basically your split is 60/40. Or 1.5:1 to make pot odds make sense.

 

[magicius]

I think if your opponents shove range is AK, and QQ+, you really have to look at the pot size before putting the rest of the chips in.

QQ vs. AK - 54% against AK. That represents HALF the range that isn't a chop.

KK vs. AK - 70/30

AA vs. AK - 90/10.

So half the time its 54%, the other half the time represents 80% against you.

Basically with 66% against this shove representing 12/21 of the hands, 50% representing 9/21.

Basically your split is 60/40. Or 1.5:1 to make pot odds make sense.

So shove it every time(dont do it in zoom tho)


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[baudib1]

If AK isn't one of your top 5 most profitable hands, you have serious issues.

 

[babydrago9]

Of course its a winning hand, but it won't be if you overvalue it and play it like the nuts whatever board. If the flop comes 10 5 2, you can just give up and not continue instead of trying to rep better. I'm sure there's plenty of strategy videos on how to play AK well

 

[marcela_lula]

A-K is very good hand bad thing is that you find a lot of players that you upload more than you pay with a weak hand and are earning you

 

[PoKeRFoRNiA]

AK is only a losing hand against KK and AA. Every other pairs, you're coin-flipping. Every other non-paired cards, you're in the lead. So it's a winning hand because less than 1% of the time, you're dominated. 5% of the time, you're coin-flipping. Then 94% of the time, you actually have a better, dominating hand.
Less than 1% of the time, you're dominated.
About 5% of the time, you're coin-flipping
94% of the time, you're leading.

Do the math to figure it out if it's a winning or losing hand.

 

[thatgreekdude]

If AK isn't one of your top 5 most profitable hands, you have serious issues.

jeez you make it sound so bad lol, i'd figure it's best to say that almost all of these hands were played at 2NL zoom, AK is almost never as good a shove pre as it is at regular tables, i learnt that pretty quickly. I really think this is down to sample size, AJo is showing me more profit than AKs + AKo combined.

 

[magicius]

jeez you make it sound so bad lol, i'd figure it's best to say that almost all of these hands were played at 2NL zoom, AK is almost never as good a shove pre as it is at regular tables, i learnt that pretty quickly. I really think this is down to sample size, AJo is showing me more profit than AKs + AKo combined.

Hehe thats why we have simiar stats... You should tell them its zoom cause its much different...
My shove range if needed is KK,AA... Maybe sometimes but depend on stacks,stats etc i could shove JJ+ and AK... In zoom if you 3bet and other guy 4bet shove you are 80% of time against AA...

So my advice,3bet with AK,if you hit flop continue,if not drop it... And stop shoving as first to act with AK...
Maths is one science,poker is other...

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[PoKeRFoRNiA]

Bad beat? You do realize you were behind on the flop?


Either way, you have a lot of beginner things to work on. You're playing like a standard casino tourist.

He wasn't behind on the flop but he was coin-flipping, hence not being a bad beat.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

990 games 0.000 secs 198,000 games/sec

Board: 4c 7s Qc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 57.071% 57.07% 00.00% 565 0.00 { QhTd }
Hand 1: 42.929% 42.93% 00.00% 425 0.00 { Tc7c }

Aside from pre-flop, he played that on the flop just fine. Check-raising all-in is what he should do. What did you expect? Put the villain on Q7/Q4/QQ/77/44/QK/AQ when blinds are eating him up? 150/300 and hero only had 9bb. Funny how you would call someone a beginner but yet, suggest to fold top pair while being extremely short-stacked.

I'm not siding with the hero's reaction of thinking online is rigged but to think his play was bad on this hand analysis is LMFAO. What do you suggest for him to do? Fold on the flop? LMFAO

 

[joe777]

I always ask myself exactly the same question.AK can sometimes be a difficult hand to play.That is the reason why some people even strained themself from overplaying AK.But depend on the situation,AK can be quite handy well deep in a tournament.

 

[RodneyC86]

He wasn't behind on the flop but he was coin-flipping, hence not being a bad beat.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

990 games 0.000 secs 198,000 games/sec

Board: 4c 7s Qc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 57.071% 57.07% 00.00% 565 0.00 { QhTd }
Hand 1: 42.929% 42.93% 00.00% 425 0.00 { Tc7c }

Aside from pre-flop, he played that on the flop just fine. Check-raising all-in is what he should do. What did you expect? Put the villain on Q7/Q4/QQ/77/44/QK/AQ when blinds are eating him up? 150/300 and hero only had 9bb. Funny how you would call someone a beginner but yet, suggest to fold top pair while being extremely short-stacked.

I'm not siding with the hero's reaction of thinking online is rigged but to think his play was bad on this hand analysis is LMFAO. What do you suggest for him to do? Fold on the flop? LMFAO

No dude, getting it in is absolutely correct, but calling it a bad beat is dead wrong.

No one folds that spot like ever. But that's one spot that shouldn't need to be seen in the first place.

 

[PoKeRFoRNiA]

No dude, getting it in is absolutely correct, but calling it a bad beat is dead wrong.

No one folds that spot like ever. But that's one spot that shouldn't need to be seen in the first place.

I was correcting your statement of telling him that he was behind on the flop. He was ahead on every street, although on the flop, he was slightly ahead that it was a coin-flip. I agree he could've played pre-flop better, where if he believes the button is raising light as he was, he could've pushed all-in. On the flop, it was a coin-flip. These type of hands and plays occur so much, it's hardly a bad beat. It's extremely standard.

 

[RodneyC86]

I always ask myself exactly the same question.AK can sometimes be a difficult hand to play.That is the reason why some people even strained themself from overplaying AK.But depend on the situation,AK can be quite handy well deep in a tournament.

As someone mentioned above AK is hardly ever dominated. It usually ends up dominating or flipping. In tourneys, winning flips is a prerequisite to getting to the final table, unless you are godly at gaining chips fast and keeping a huge lead. At which point you'll love Ak since you can just throw them in since you can afford to lose a relatively small portion of your stack once in a while....knowing well your fold plus when-called equity is gonna be huge with AK.

I finished 80+ before among 11k players before in a micro millions tournament. I was leading by a lot at one point and AK is ridiculously good to shove in the middle when everyone is like 1/5 your size

 

[Snakmacher]

AK suited might be.. AK is strong hand but still you can loose to some fish with 84 or 10 10 hitting 10 .. so it is good hand but definitely not the best one you can get..

 

[TimboJonez]

a-k is a strong hand, it should win you more pots then you lose. Sometimes it just doesn't go that way .

 

[FanatsLV]

That same situacion lime me with KK almost all starting hands with that hand i losse...
you have same situacion with AK hhand...
that just horible unlucky hand....

 

[cAPSLOCK]

If you think you are good, you are 100 percent a bad player

Why do I even bother responding ???

But wait?! What does this train wreck even have to do with AK in the first place??

 

[Marginal]

Yea I get we have AK but what are our 2 other cards?


Also I read this thread just to see where AK is a drawing hand comment would be first made.
Post 36 didn't disappoint

 

[RodneyC86]

Yea I get we have AK but what are our 2 other cards?


Also I read this thread just to see where AK is a drawing hand comment would be first made.
Post 36 didn't disappoint

Marg, get off your high Omaha horse

 

[RodneyC86]

But wait?! What does this train wreck even have to do with AK in the first place??

Oooops?

 

[BigJamo]

Doyle says in "Super System II" that you should go all in before the flop with AK because you are too likely to abandon it if the flop doesn't hit.

And I think it was Daniel that said A/K is just another hand.

Its true when we think of it Pre-Flop. After the cards hit the board though, it can be "just another hand"

 

[Pavelito51]

It's a losing hand at 2NL because every fish puts you on AK when you raise. So going by the theory of poker since they will be reading you right when you do have AK every time they can never make a mistake when going up against you.
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what are you talking about? at NL2 everybody pushes AI AQ/Ax so AK gets more value than on small/high stakes
you just might review your way to play it in some spots like in multipotway

 

[akb1979]

Ak looks great but it is winning less and losing more. If you are all in against TT +, you are drawing thin! just 6 outs and more importantly slightly behind right from pre flop. And it is very difficult to get called by AQ or AJ with A on the board till the river. In cash games really tough to make money with AK.