**Unofficial Official 2011 PLO Cash Game Thread**

[Colbefc]

ignored

I guess this must be just for select people, my posts seem to
get ignored, or maybe they are just boring, anyhow I love
PLO but I give up on this but GL to you

 

[Marginal]

Dude what are you talking about, I have tried to get as many posts in this thread trying to help people. Sorry if I skipped some because Im pressed for time.

 

[OzExorcist]

Preflop is fine but flop is 100% a check - will almost never get a fold in a 3 way pot on this board unless they are playing incredibly loose preflop and you can be pretty happy to continue on any diamond, a J and a T (and sometimes you'll have live 2 pair outs also) - by betting flop you are basically just throwing away alot of equity and in this case equity to the nuts which is especially bad. You need to be very careful in PLO about bet/folding significant equity - isn't near as big a deal in hold em as it is so rare that you have the 30-50% equity on flop and turn like you so often do with PLO. For the same reason i'd check behind the naked nut flush draw and 2nd/3rd nut flush draw here - little to no fold equity and it has too little equity to get it in when villain pots it and you NEVER want to be in the situatino where you ahve to bet fold 35% equity to the nuts or even near nuts (and again same logic would dictate that checking behind the 7th nut flush draw is far less important as you don't mind bet/folding a naked baby flush draw as much as you will suffer from reverse implied odds given that when you hit you only have a bluff catcher rather than a clear value bet and thus it isn't worth near as much.

This is great, thanks. So basically semi-bluffs are out and by checking behind we avoid turning a solid draw into a naked bluff?

 

[feitr]

Real semi bluffs (nfd + something, wrap + fd or + pair and overs whatever) are best to bet/call. But your range will consist of hands that are rubbish and you can bet/fold them np as you aren't folding much equity (wouldn't cbet this board in a 3 way pot though in most cases), hands that are good enough to go with, and hands that don't have enough equity to bet/call but still have enough equity that it is a semi-disaster to bet/fold it away and it is the latter part of your range that you should be checking behind in spots where you may get jammed on and don't have an extremely high amount of fold equity.

 

[LuckyChippy]

Reading feitr's posts is mind blowing, it's almost like seeing into your head the way you explain things, everything just tumbling out, can almost see your thought process in explaining it, not just the idea of explaining it but how you got there too. Really know your stuff. I hope you stick around again mate and congrats on the year so far.

 

[bubbasbestbabe]

Table bully was stealing pots left and right. Figured PAG would be good against him with right hand.

Absolute - $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha (6 players)
Absolute Hand Converter Tool from CardsChat.com
SB: $10.20
BB: $37.05
UTG: $60.50
MP Hero: $36.55
CO: $55.60
BTN: $49.80
Pre-flop: ($0.75) Hero is MP and dealt
UTG calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, CO raises $2.75, 4 folds, Hero calls $2.25
Flop: ($6.75) (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $5, Hero calls $5
Turn: ($16.75) (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $10, Hero calls $10
River: ($36.75) (2 players)
Hero bets $18.80 (All-in), CO calls $18.80
Final Pot: $74.35
Showdown:
Hero shows
CO shows : 4: :c :
Outcome: Hero wins $70.85

 

[Marginal]

You do not beat anything on the turn other than random FD but you do not beat anything on the turn.

 

[watchtowel]

How strong is this hand - 7s 5s Ad 7d. Should I have been happy to get this?

 

[Marginal]

No you should not. It is pretty average.

 

[bubbasbestbabe]

Absolute - $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha (5 players)
Absolute Hand Converter Tool from CardsChat.com
SB: $22.45
BB Hero: $99.50
UTG: $50
CO: $23.25
BTN: $69.57
Pre-flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB and dealt
UTG raises $1.75, CO calls $1.75, BTN folds, SB calls $1.50, Hero calls $1.25
Flop: ($7) (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1, UTG raises $7, CO raises $21.50 (All-in), SB folds,
Hero ?

 

[Marginal]

Hero folds because we hold a J and best case is someone has QT and the other AJ or AK meaning we have fewer outs.

 

[bubbasbestbabe]

I did fold there. Flush popped.

 

[cjatud2012]

We meet again PLO.

 

[cjatud2012]

Cool, already embarrassing myself at the tables. Been here for 8 hands, villains is ~60/40 so far, not very good.

PokerStars - $0.02 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

MP: $2.47
CO: $4.64
Hero (BTN): $5.00
SB: $9.40
BB: $11.76
UTG: $17.62

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has T:diamond: 6:spade: 7:diamond: 9:spade:

UTG raises to $0.07, MP raises to $0.12, fold, Hero ???

Spoiler

Hero calls $0.12, SB calls $0.11, BB calls $0.10, UTG calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.60, 5 players) 6:club: 8:club: 4:heart:

so here I hit a 13-card straight draw (I think) but only 9 of those are clean (I think). No idea what to do, especially in a multi-way pot.

SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP bets $0.36, Hero ???

Spoiler

Hero calls $0.36, fold, fold, fold

Turn: ($1.32, 2 players) 9:club:

So I hit a straight, but the flush also hits. We're heads-up now, but I assume the psb, leaving almost nothing behind, is usually a flush?

MP bets $1.26, Hero ???

Spoiler

Hero raises to $2.62, fold

Apparently he didn't have a flush

Hero wins $3.66

 

[cjatud2012]

I liked PLO better an hour ago when I was still running goot.

Okay, so quick thought here. When we call a bet/raise on the turn out of position with a strong draw, and you hit the river, should you be donk-betting pretty often, since villains will check back worse hands most of the time (probably)?

An example:

PokerStars - $0.02 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (SB): $2.12
BB: $1.52
UTG: $4.17
CO: $1.16
BTN: $4.20

Hero posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has 9:heart: T:diamond: 6:diamond: 7:heart:

fold, fold, BTN calls $0.02, Hero calls $0.01, BB checks

Flop: ($0.06, 3 players) 7:spade: A:heart: 8:spade:
Hero bets $0.06, BB calls $0.06, fold

Turn: ($0.18, 2 players) 2:diamond:
Hero bets $0.14, BB raises to $0.28, Hero calls $0.14

River: ($0.74, 2 players) 5:heart:
Hero ???

 

[LuckyChippy]

I liked PLO better an hour ago when I was still running goot.

Okay, so quick thought here. When we call a bet/raise on the turn out of position with a strong draw, and you hit the river, should you be donk-betting pretty often, since villains will check back worse hands most of the time (probably)?

An example:

PokerStars - $0.02 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (SB): $2.12
BB: $1.52
UTG: $4.17
CO: $1.16
BTN: $4.20

Hero posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has 9<font color='red'>♥</font> T<font color='red'>♦</font> 6<font color='red'>♦</font> 7<font color='red'>♥</font>

fold, fold, BTN calls $0.02, Hero calls $0.01, BB checks

Flop: ($0.06, 3 players) 7<font color='black'>♠</font> A<font color='red'>♥</font> 8<font color='black'>♠</font>
Hero bets $0.06, BB calls $0.06, fold

Turn: ($0.18, 2 players) 2<font color='red'>♦</font>
Hero bets $0.14, BB raises to $0.28, Hero calls $0.14

River: ($0.74, 2 players) 5<font color='red'>♥</font>
Hero ???

In general I like donk betting because he'll probs check back all his 2 pairs and things but will likely call hands like that off.

In that exact spot I love it and just hope he does some kind of tard raise agian so we can 3-bet it.

 

[OzExorcist]

This might be a dumb question, but what are "good" win rates like in PLO compared to NLHE? As in, for NLHE a solid win rate might be 3-4BB/100 (or less) over a big sample, would you expect a decent winning PLO player to be making about the same?

 

[Jagsti]

Anyone playing rush plo?

Your thoughts?

Ive been playing 25plo, even for rush there seem to be a lot of fish.

 

[Jagsti]

Think I just won 8 buy ins at 25plo, not sure though coz I dont have Omahahahamanager!

 

[OzExorcist]

What on earth are we supposed to make of villain's line in this hand, and what's our response? They've only joined the table recently, no real reads as yet.

full tilt poker $0.02/$0.05 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $4.91
SB: $6.69
BB: $4.00
UTG: $3.82
Hero (CO): $7.55

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is CO with K

3

A

A

UTG raises to $0.10, Hero raises to $0.30, 3 folds, UTG calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.67) 4

7

3

(2 players)
UTG bets $0.05, Hero raises to $0.50, UTG calls $0.45

Turn: ($1.67) J

(2 players)
UTG bets $0.83, Hero wonders WWKLD

 

[Marginal]

We should never raise that flop as for turn, we cant call.

 

[OzExorcist]

Basically what I figured on the turn, thanks.

If villain doesn't lead we bet that flop though, right? And what kind of range makes sense for villain here? The minbet threw me completely but once they called it all I could figure was probably a small set / maybe two pair.

 

[Marginal]

Im not sure we should be betting the flop, a lot of times on these boards people will check down and we can see a showdown etc. I do not know how much we accomplish by betting. I guess it is a protection and to take it down onetime but that board just hits so many ranges that it is hard to believe we get people to fold

 

[vanquish]

well one reason to bet the flop if checked to is so we can bluff :heart:s and win a bigger pot later

 

[LuckyChippy]

well one reason to bet the flop if checked to is so we can bluff <font color='red'>♥</font>s and win a bigger pot later

Good point, especially when we're holding the Ah.