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Marginal
Junior Member
Silver Level
Cause that requires effort. We do not exert effort.
Cause that requires effort. We do not exert effort.
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Marginal
Junior Member
Silver Level
**** yea.
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Marginal
Junior Member
Silver Level
I can still make very loose calls on turn and river!
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
PL Omaha $1(BB) poker stars
Hero ($175)
BB ($690)
CO ($198)
BTN ($86.40)
BTN antes $0.20
Hero antes $0.20
BB antes $0.20
CO antes $0.20
Dealt to Hero 8:spade: Q:diamond: T:spade: 4:diamond:
fold, fold, Hero raises to $3.80, BB calls $2.80
FLOP ($8.40) 2:diamond: Q:heart: 9:spade:
Hero bets $6, BB calls $6
TURN ($20.40) 2:diamond: Q:heart: 9:spade: Q:club:
Hero bets $14, BB raises to $46, Hero calls $32
RIVER ($112) 2:diamond: Q:heart: 9:spade: Q:club: 3:heart:
Hero checks, BB bets $110, Hero calls $110
Hero shows 8:spade: Q:diamond: T:spade: 4:diamond:
(Pre 55%, Flop 82.7%, Turn 87.5%)
BB shows Q:spade: 6:heart: 5:club: 6:club:
(Pre 45%, Flop 17.3%, Turn 12.5%)
Hero wins $331
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
PL Omaha $1(BB) poker stars
Hero ($175)
BB ($690)
CO ($198)
BTN ($86.40)
BTN antes $0.20
Hero antes $0.20
BB antes $0.20
CO antes $0.20
Dealt to Hero 8:spade: Q:diamond: T:spade: 4:diamond:
fold, fold, Hero raises to $3.80, BB calls $2.80
FLOP ($8.40) 2:diamond: Q:heart: 9:spade:
Hero bets $6, BB calls $6
TURN ($20.40) 2:diamond: Q:heart: 9:spade: Q:club:
Hero bets $14, BB raises to $46, Hero calls $32
RIVER ($112) 2:diamond: Q:heart: 9:spade: Q:club: 3:heart:
Hero checks, BB bets $110, Hero calls $110
Hero shows 8:spade: Q:diamond: T:spade: 4:diamond:
(Pre 55%, Flop 82.7%, Turn 87.5%)
BB shows Q:spade: 6:heart: 5:club: 6:club:
(Pre 45%, Flop 17.3%, Turn 12.5%)
Hero wins $331
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Marginal
Junior Member
Silver Level
As you can tell I run like baby jebus at all times but as you can also see that my major problem is that I cannot ever ever put in a proper volume session. This is my curse, this is my downfall. Fwiw, I had to play really tight because I got nothing to work with for most of the sessions but I flopped well almost everytime.
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Marginal
Junior Member
Silver Level
Just for an example, if you know that your opponent is going to re-raise you light on a super wet board, it always helps to be willing to play the variance game and 3 bet him especially when you hold the gin card. Opponent is solid (even though he lacks the capacity to buy in full, this is PLO we play by different rules). As you can see, this is obviously not for value and it helps to keep the bet size small as the Stack to pot ratio is also small and since he is slightly short we want to make it appear as we are just putting money in now to shove the turn.
Just as an additional piece of information, it is either he has the K high flush or nothing. He will shove over the top with the Kxhh but will fold almost everything else. He calls with the Jxhh and other mid flush draws. He never re-raises flop with baby flush draws and I suspect he wouldnt with any kind of decent flush as he will just be loosing value from someone who is willing to bet 2 streets.
He obviously cant do this with a straight or a set/2 pair so his range is polarized. His bet size is also so small that it indicates that he does not want to stick a ton of money into the pot. Obviously seemed like a weak resteal.
The question is, if he calls, do we shove the turn? Let me hear what you think.
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
PL Omaha $2(BB) Poker Stars
SB ($138)
Hero ($200)
UTG ($211)
UTG+1 ($183)
CO ($65.85)
BTN ($57)
Dealt to Hero A:club: 8:diamond: 3:club: A:heart:
UTG calls $2, UTG+1 calls $2, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $9, UTG calls $7, UTG+1 calls $7
FLOP ($28) Q:heart: 8:heart: T:heart:
Hero bets $13, UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $30, Hero raises to $68, UTG+1 folds
Hero shows A:club: 8:diamond: 3:club: A:heart:
Hero wins $85
Just as an additional piece of information, it is either he has the K high flush or nothing. He will shove over the top with the Kxhh but will fold almost everything else. He calls with the Jxhh and other mid flush draws. He never re-raises flop with baby flush draws and I suspect he wouldnt with any kind of decent flush as he will just be loosing value from someone who is willing to bet 2 streets.
He obviously cant do this with a straight or a set/2 pair so his range is polarized. His bet size is also so small that it indicates that he does not want to stick a ton of money into the pot. Obviously seemed like a weak resteal.
The question is, if he calls, do we shove the turn? Let me hear what you think.
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
PL Omaha $2(BB) Poker Stars
SB ($138)
Hero ($200)
UTG ($211)
UTG+1 ($183)
CO ($65.85)
BTN ($57)
Dealt to Hero A:club: 8:diamond: 3:club: A:heart:
UTG calls $2, UTG+1 calls $2, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $9, UTG calls $7, UTG+1 calls $7
FLOP ($28) Q:heart: 8:heart: T:heart:
Hero bets $13, UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $30, Hero raises to $68, UTG+1 folds
Hero shows A:club: 8:diamond: 3:club: A:heart:
Hero wins $85
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jbbb
Legend
Silver Level
Dunno about the hand above (I have play AAxx hands, I don't know any of the post flop equities). However I do know that you should never have quit if you're up like $600 in two days
okeedokalee
Glory To Ukraine
Loyaler
Need some advice on folding the river please, Marginal.
I play pot limit $4 buy-ins on a fairly loose site, players are opening and raising with very weak pockets.
The opposition appears to be very loose and aggressive and the temptation to call is hard to resist.
When I'm holding a non nut hand such as a set, how often will a player making a half pot or bigger bet have a better hand, if I choose to call the river?
In this circumstance the better hand is disguised rather than obviously evident.
I play pot limit $4 buy-ins on a fairly loose site, players are opening and raising with very weak pockets.
The opposition appears to be very loose and aggressive and the temptation to call is hard to resist.
When I'm holding a non nut hand such as a set, how often will a player making a half pot or bigger bet have a better hand, if I choose to call the river?
In this circumstance the better hand is disguised rather than obviously evident.
M
Marginal
Junior Member
Silver Level
To give you a proper response, we would need to see more information, the question is so broad that it is hard to give you something that will be useful. It depends a lot on the type of player you are up against.
okeedokalee
Glory To Ukraine
Loyaler
They are usually loose, playing uncoordinated pockets, big pairs unsupported and danglers.
They raise to open most hands and hardly ever fold so are hard to read.
Lots of Italians and Russians on Luvin Poker.
Just won a $3 heads-up folding more and waiting for the real good hands, my opponent kept showing me his cards and had i called I would have been beaten on nearly every instant.
Instead of responding quickly I gave myself time to think, these players play fast and I think they just love to see the money going in and building pots, so I've decided not to play at their rhythm but make them play at mine.
Perhaps my answer is to fold.
I have been following the maxim ' Omaha favors the fearless' but it cost me pots where I maybe shouldn't have called the river and I keep my profits blown away.
They raise to open most hands and hardly ever fold so are hard to read.
Lots of Italians and Russians on Luvin Poker.
Just won a $3 heads-up folding more and waiting for the real good hands, my opponent kept showing me his cards and had i called I would have been beaten on nearly every instant.
Instead of responding quickly I gave myself time to think, these players play fast and I think they just love to see the money going in and building pots, so I've decided not to play at their rhythm but make them play at mine.
Perhaps my answer is to fold.
I have been following the maxim ' Omaha favors the fearless' but it cost me pots where I maybe shouldn't have called the river and I keep my profits blown away.
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freshsmithprince
Rising Star
Bronze Level
we're talking about hands played for nickel and dime blinds as in actual pennies lol.... at least can we talk about some PLO that happened in 1-2$ or higher....
I recommend playing full table and only really playing really top hands AAxx KKxx but fold some really dry kings KK84 no suits... QQ-with straigtening cards or second pair 99-JJ. high wraps min size 89TJ and only playing if all four cards are in a row......JJTT is sometimes playable espcially double suited...with ur wrap and other hands tend to let go of hands with no suits, as merely making a straight with no re-draw potential is dangerous in PLO.I should just write a fcking poker book instead of spewing this gold in poker forums for pennystakes beginners to question.......
I recommend playing full table and only really playing really top hands AAxx KKxx but fold some really dry kings KK84 no suits... QQ-with straigtening cards or second pair 99-JJ. high wraps min size 89TJ and only playing if all four cards are in a row......JJTT is sometimes playable espcially double suited...with ur wrap and other hands tend to let go of hands with no suits, as merely making a straight with no re-draw potential is dangerous in PLO.I should just write a fcking poker book instead of spewing this gold in poker forums for pennystakes beginners to question.......
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MaxiRodriguez
Rock Star
Silver Level
M
Marginal
Junior Member
Silver Level
Dude, while your post is not bad (but broad and retarded), I suspect that you cannot beat/play 200plo because you would not make type of post if you knew how.
DUCY?
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MaxiRodriguez
Rock Star
Silver Level
iPoker - $0.20 PL Hi - Omaha - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3
BTN: $40.91
Hero (SB): $28.24
BB: $21.58
UTG: $20.08
Hero posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.20
Pre Flop: ($0.30) Hero has 2:spade: 3:spade: A:spade: A:heart:
fold, BTN calls $0.20, Hero raises to $0.80, BB raises to $1.40, fold, Hero raises to $4.30, BB calls $2.90
Flop: ($8.80, 2 players) K:spade: 7:heart: Q:heart:
Hero checks, BB checks
Turn: ($8.80, 2 players) 5:spade:
Hero ?????
iPoker - $0.20 PL Hi - Omaha - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3
Hero (BTN): $32.89
SB: $17.12
BB: $20.08
UTG: $35.31
MP: $16.84
CO: $18.03
SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.20
Pre Flop: ($0.30) Hero has A:diamond: Q:spade: A:heart: 5:club:
fold, MP raises to $0.70, CO calls $0.70, Hero raises to $3.10, fold, BB calls $2.90, MP calls $2.40, CO calls $2.40
Flop: ($12.50, 4 players) A:spade: J:heart: Q:club:
BB bets $6.25, fold, fold, Hero???
iPoker - $0.20 PL Hi - Omaha - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3
BB: $39.03
UTG: $31.83
MP: $20.54
Hero (CO): $20.00
BTN: $40.10
SB: $20.94
SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.20
Pre Flop: ($0.30) Hero has 8:club: 7:club: 8:heart: T:heart:
fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.70, BTN calls $0.70, SB calls $0.60, fold
Flop: ($2.30, 3 players) 3:club: 9:club: J:diamond:
SB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $1.40, SB calls $1.40, Hero calls $1.40
Turn: ($6.50, 3 players) 4:heart:
SB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $5.00, fold, Hero??????
1) villain is 60/9 no other reads, is there a case for flatting pre? as played ch/c?
2) Villian is 40/4 v loose passive, thinking fold seeing as only 25% vs nuts ?
3) Villian is fairly aggro 40/30 do i have fold equity with the ch/shove? Thinking mb shoulda just ch/f, and save my self the hassle
Thanks for any input guys
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3
BTN: $40.91
Hero (SB): $28.24
BB: $21.58
UTG: $20.08
Hero posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.20
Pre Flop: ($0.30) Hero has 2:spade: 3:spade: A:spade: A:heart:
fold, BTN calls $0.20, Hero raises to $0.80, BB raises to $1.40, fold, Hero raises to $4.30, BB calls $2.90
Flop: ($8.80, 2 players) K:spade: 7:heart: Q:heart:
Hero checks, BB checks
Turn: ($8.80, 2 players) 5:spade:
Hero ?????
iPoker - $0.20 PL Hi - Omaha - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3
Hero (BTN): $32.89
SB: $17.12
BB: $20.08
UTG: $35.31
MP: $16.84
CO: $18.03
SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.20
Pre Flop: ($0.30) Hero has A:diamond: Q:spade: A:heart: 5:club:
fold, MP raises to $0.70, CO calls $0.70, Hero raises to $3.10, fold, BB calls $2.90, MP calls $2.40, CO calls $2.40
Flop: ($12.50, 4 players) A:spade: J:heart: Q:club:
BB bets $6.25, fold, fold, Hero???
iPoker - $0.20 PL Hi - Omaha - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3
BB: $39.03
UTG: $31.83
MP: $20.54
Hero (CO): $20.00
BTN: $40.10
SB: $20.94
SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.20
Pre Flop: ($0.30) Hero has 8:club: 7:club: 8:heart: T:heart:
fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.70, BTN calls $0.70, SB calls $0.60, fold
Flop: ($2.30, 3 players) 3:club: 9:club: J:diamond:
SB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $1.40, SB calls $1.40, Hero calls $1.40
Turn: ($6.50, 3 players) 4:heart:
SB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $5.00, fold, Hero??????
1) villain is 60/9 no other reads, is there a case for flatting pre? as played ch/c?
2) Villian is 40/4 v loose passive, thinking fold seeing as only 25% vs nuts ?
3) Villian is fairly aggro 40/30 do i have fold equity with the ch/shove? Thinking mb shoulda just ch/f, and save my self the hassle
Thanks for any input guys