Peeleo's FR cash thread

[LuckyChippy]

Cbetting the 2nd hand is pretty bad I think.

 

[orangepeeleo]

Totally, the guy I got it in against aint even short lol wtf was I thinking!

 

[papatango123]

what kind of stats you playing at 10nl
i also play a bit of 10nl with stats of 13/12/55
i beat it it for 3.3bb/100 with those stats over 125k hands(if only i could do that at 25nl)
i was just thinking u play too loose maybe the reason why your not yet consistently winning.

 

[orangepeeleo]

what kind of stats you playing at 10nl
i also play a bit of 10nl with stats of 13/12/55
i beat it it for 3.3bb/100 with those stats over 125k hands(if only i could do that at 25nl)
i was just thinking u play too loose maybe the reason why your not yet consistently winning.

I'm thinking exactly the same tbh, way too loose infact, working on tightening up to around 13/12 actually, i remember when I was beating 5 & 10nl before I was playin 12/10, for some reason I seem to be hovering around 16/13 18/15 since I started this so I'd say thats a big reason why I'm sucking. Sorting it out though, i'm sick of 10nl kickin my ass! Whats the 55 bit in your stats there, surely not AF !!

 

[papatango123]

yeh its af i use pokertracker so its different from hem's af.
af is out of 100 on pokertracker so 55 is fairly agressiv

did you used to play mpore tables before maybe your looser because your playing less tables so are trying to get too fancy i know when i play les than 10 tables i play too loose and spewy

 

[orangepeeleo]

Yeah i've been upping the tables when I can, I want to hit 10 eventually, but can only play like 8 atm as I only actually have $102 in my account right now. I think things will definetly tighten up as more tables are added. fingers crossed anyways

 

[WVHillbilly]

You playing FR or 6-max?

 

[TylerN]

hey man i haven't commented in this thread yet but wish the best for you! I know your going through a tough stretch right now but just relax dudeee

 

[orangepeeleo]

You playing FR or 6-max?

Fr, which is why I'm trying to tighten up, obv not good enough to be playing an 18 or 16 vpip so trying to really tighten up atm to steady the ship and then maybe add more hands once I'm tight and winning!

 

[orangepeeleo]

You playing FR or 6-max?

Was going to try a bit of 6max, asked jay about it, but I now think that's just avoiding the problem of me not winning at FR, so not sure whether to bother

 

[fx20736]

Fr, which is why I'm trying to tighten up, obv not good enough to be playing an 18 or 16 vpip so trying to really tighten up atm to steady the ship and then maybe add more hands once I'm tight and winning!

What is your default opening range by position for Full Ring?

 

[acky100]

What is your default opening range by position for Full Ring?

Yeah i was gonna ask what you think about opening ranges for the HJ, Co, and BTN? I think i may have got a bit too loose in the HJ, as if anyone ever limps im too happy to isolate with any two broadways and this can get me into trouble when someone cold calls or 3 bets who has position on me.

Also Papatango123, if thats BB/100 then thats a really good winrate imo, id like to hear what you think on opening ranges from certain positions and what do you think the most important thing to beat 10NL consitently is?

 

[fx20736]

Yeah i was gonna ask what you think about opening ranges for the HJ, Co, and BTN? I think i may have got a bit too loose in the HJ, as if anyone ever limps im too happy to isolate with any two broadways and this can get me into trouble when someone cold calls or 3 bets who has position on me.

It is tempting in situations when 3 players limp and you have QTo to just pop it and TBH I have done this pretty often. Problem is at micros anyway that a you see a lot of limp/calling and limp/re-raising and even worse donk betting on the flop. So 3 limpers come in and you pop it to 7bb. One player calls. Pot is now 17bb. The flop comes down JT9 and everyone checks. You have middle pair and a gutshot and position so you c-bet 9bb and get 1 caller. Pot is now 35bb. The turn is a 4. Villain pots it making the pot 70bb. You have 84bb. You now have to make a decision whether you want to play for stacks with middle pair/3rd kicker and an 11 to 1 draw or folding after pissing away 16bb.
Now some might say, why c-bet here? You have a lot going for you. Ok so you check behind and the 4 hits. Again turn is a 4 and villain pots it. Do you call or re-raise? If you call the pot is 51bb. If the river is an Ace and villain shoves then what? If the river is a 6 and villain pots again then what? Pot is 102bb, you have 70bb and need to call 51bb. Do you want to be in this spot??? If you fold you lost 36bb. These aren't hypotheticals, we've been there hundreds of times. Do this 3 times in a session and you have squandered a buy-in.

My interpretation of NLHE is that you enter a pot for two reasons;

1. to steal the blinds & collect dead money in the pot.
2. To get someone's stack.

If you are really, really good (like half as good as WV ) you might be able to navigate the Scylla & Charbydis of medium size pots but most of us micro trolls aren't there (or we'd be playing 50nl).

So if you see an opportunity to steal the blinds great but if it doen't seem like a great stacking opportunity then fold. That is why it is ok to open OTB with QTo but maybe not so good for most of us to raise multiple limpers with it.

But back to the meat of your question: From late position it really comes down to whether or not to play:

22-66
Small suited Aces (A2s - A9s)
ATo
KJo KTo QJo JTo
Some Suited Kings (say K5s-K9s)
Suited Connectors
Suited Gappers

And on the button:
Ax
K7o-K9o
some offsuit connectors like 98,97,87
etc.

If you can profitably play these hands then go ahead and play them. If you suck like me (and are like 5% as good as WV )you fold them.

 

[acky100]

It is tempting in situations when 3 players limp and you have QTo to just pop it and TBH I have done this pretty often. Problem is at micros anyway that a you see a lot of limp/calling and limp/re-raising and even worse donk betting on the flop. So 3 limpers come in and you pop it to 7bb. One player calls. Pot is now 17bb. The flop comes down JT9 and everyone checks. You have middle pair and a gutshot and position so you c-bet 9bb and get 1 caller. Pot is now 35bb. The turn is a 4. Villain pots it making the pot 70bb. You have 84bb. You now have to make a decision whether you want to play for stacks with middle pair/3rd kicker and an 11 to 1 draw or folding after pissing away 16bb.
Now some might say, why c-bet here? You have a lot going for you. Ok so you check behind and the 4 hits. Again turn is a 4 and villain pots it. Do you call or re-raise? If you call the pot is 51bb. If the river is an Ace and villain shoves then what? If the river is a 6 and villain pots again then what? Pot is 102bb, you have 70bb and need to call 51bb. Do you want to be in this spot??? If you fold you lost 36bb. These aren't hypotheticals, we've been there hundreds of times. Do this 3 times in a session and you have squandered a buy-in.

My interpretation of NLHE is that you enter a pot for two reasons;

1. to steal the blinds & collect dead money in the pot.
2. To get someone's stack.

If you are really, really good (like half as good as WV ) you might be able to navigate the Scylla & Charbydis of medium size pots but most of us micro trolls aren't there (or we'd be playing 50nl).

So if you see an opportunity to steal the blinds great but if it doen't seem like a great stacking opportunity then fold. That is why it is ok to open OTB with QTo but maybe not so good for most of us to raise multiple limpers with it.

But back to the meat of your question: From late position it really comes down to whether or not to play:

22-66
Small suited Aces (A2s - A9s)
ATo
KJo KTo QJo JTo
Some Suited Kings (say K5s-K9s)
Suited Connectors
Suited Gappers

And on the button:
Ax
K7o-K9o
some offsuit connectors like 98,97,87
etc.

If you can profitably play these hands then go ahead and play them. If you suck like me (and are like 5% as good as WV )you fold them.

Yeah its a difficult situation and im sure ive lost many buy ins to that type of example, im much more likely to isolate with 1 limper with Q10o than 3, but in the COTW on isolating apparently we should be more inclined to isolate with a wider range when theres more limpers... but if theres ever 3 limpers and i do decide to isolate im making it more than 7bb's anyways to try and get HU maybe 9 or 10 bb's.

i really dont think us micro trolls have to enter pots just because we think we can get someones stack, theres lots of people we can isolate and then cbet in position to take the pot, but i think the main reason we isolate is because we are generally ahead of their range and cbetting to take the pot on the flop is profitable against those who play fit or fold poker, and against the calling stations we can get a piece of the flop and extract as much value as we can which may be stacks if theyre really bad.

as for opening in late position i stay away from suited 1 gappers that are below 9J or 10Q usually, and anything like K5s gets dumped too, im still unsure of how to play small pocket pairs so i just tend to raise them in late position, i dont tend to isolate limpers with small pocket pairs either, dont know if this is a leak or not. I like playing suited connectors because they look pretty, and will open most of em on the btn if i get the chance, and like some higher ones on the Co. Kind of went off opening things like A4o etc in the Co and HJ and generally wait for A8o+ on the button unless conditions are optimal and theres two nits to my left then im opening pretty much any two a lot of the time.

Just played 300 hands and came out as a 15/11 hopefully its just small sample size causing it as im trying to be more cautious in my openings and stuff, but i had a steal percentage of 39% and 100% of these i won so maybe its not a bad thing either. Determined to get out of the little hole of march that ive started in

 

[orangepeeleo]

Coming up with a solid range is something that I need to do, gonna try and find a decent FR range online tonight I think. Just read a few posts yesterday I think where people were saying that u need to have a actual range to know how to widen it etc. In all these years I've never used a hand chart but I might try it for a while

 

[orangepeeleo]

Ok, just done a quick opening range.

UTG - 99+ , AKo, AQs+

MP - 77+ ATo+ ATs+ KQo+ QJs+

HJ - 55+ ATo+ A7s+ 87s+ KQo+

CO/BTN - Blind/Limper dependant

 

[Jagsti]

Ok, just done a quick opening range.

UTG - 99+ , AKo, AQs+

MP - 77+ ATo+ ATs+ KQo+ QJs+

HJ - 55+ ATo+ A7s+ 87s+ KQo+

CO/BTN - Blind/Limper dependant

The above is prolly way too tight if its 6max imo. FR is prolly ok though.

 

[orangepeeleo]

The above is prolly way too tight if its 6max imo. FR is prolly ok though.

Yeah, forgot to say that was a FR range gonna go thru fee's guide and make up an opening range for 6max just now.

 

[orangepeeleo]

6max (Taken from fee's guide)

UTG - 22+ ATs+ AJo+ 98s+ KQo/s KJs+

MP - 22+ A9s+ ATo+ 98s+ KQo/KJo/KQs/KJs/KTs

CO - 22+ A5s+ A9o+ 65s+ JTo+ QTo+ KTo/K9s T8s+ Q9s+

BTN - 22+ A8o+ K9o Q9o+ J9o+ 98o+ 54s+ 64s+ 96s+ T6s+ K8s+ A2s+

 

[Jagsti]

Ahhh thats better!

 

[orangepeeleo]

So played some 6m tonight and ran like god!


full tilt poker $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players - View hand 1216189
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $24.84
SB: $12.01
BB: $9.99
Hero (CO): $14.79

Pre Flop: ($0.10) Hero is CO with Q :heart: Q :diamond:
BB calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.40, 1 fold, SB raises to $1.60, 1 fold, Hero raises to $5, SB raises to $12.01, Hero calls $7.01

Flop: ($24.12) T :spade: 7 :heart: 6 :spade: (2 players)

Turn: ($24.12) 6 :heart: (2 players)

River: ($24.12) 2 :club: (2 players)

Final Pot: $24.12
SB shows K :heart: A :club:
Hero shows Q :heart: Q :diamond:
Hero wins $23.12
(Rake: $1.00)


Full Tilt Poker $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1216190
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

CO: $37.71
BTN: $17.37
SB: $7.54
Hero (BB): $10.00
UTG: $10.00
MP: $10.00

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with A :diamond: A :club:
2 folds, CO raises to $0.20, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.80, CO calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.65) 8 :heart: K :club: 5 :spade: (2 players)
Hero bets $1.35, CO raises to $2.70, Hero raises to $9.20, CO calls $6.50

Turn: ($20.05) J :diamond: (2 players)

River: ($20.05) 5 :heart: (2 players)

Final Pot: $20.05
CO shows 7 :spade: Q :spade:
Hero shows A :diamond: A :club:
Hero wins $18.72
(Rake: $1.33)

Theres another 3 5-$6 winning hands, the next one, this guy was 3betting 14% over 90 hands, plenty from the BTN/Blinds too, I figure i'm ahead of his range for 3betting me IP, so flat and see what the flop comes, i hit one of my T's and he's only got fkin AA lol I was closing down tables so left like 2 hands after this which made me feel like a bit of a shitebag but he gave me some dogs abuse in the chat since this stake started i've been on the other end of this more than enough so felt good to cooler someone, and i wasnt just setmining oop, i honestly thought I was ahead of his range....oops


Full Tilt Poker $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 1216193
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BB: $10.00
UTG: $29.81
Hero (CO): $18.37
BTN: $10.19
SB: $10.05

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with T :heart: T :club:
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.40, BTN raises to $1.35, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.95

Flop: ($2.85) T :diamond: 4 :club: 3 :diamond: (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $1.50, Hero raises to $4.50, BTN raises to $8.84, Hero calls $4.34

Turn: ($20.53) 4 :heart: (2 players)

River: ($20.53) K :diamond: (2 players)

Final Pot: $20.53
Hero shows T :heart: T :club:
BTN shows A :spade: A :heart:
Hero wins $19.17
(Rake: $1.36)

So made a healthy 3 Bi's tonight, think that my hand ranges helped a shit load as it kept me in line very well, stats ended up 18/15 w/ 5% 3bet for the session so a bit tight but I was literally just following the hand chart, it felt comfortable though with not toooo many tough spots.

March can now start imo



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[tenbob]

Grats man It was only a matter of time.

 

[fx20736]

Ok, just done a quick opening range.

UTG - 99+ , AKo, AQs+

MP - 77+ ATo+ ATs+ KQo+ QJs+

HJ - 55+ ATo+ A7s+ 87s+ KQo+

CO/BTN - Blind/Limper dependant

Actually, this is pretty close to my range with a few exceptions and you list ATo & KQo twice. I wouldn't play ATo from MP as too often you will play OOP with a mediocre hand.

For the most part Early & Middle Position starting hands are fairly close for most TAGs & even Nits. I think it is from the HJ to the Button where there is most divergence among players. I have gone back and forth with my button requirements, opening anywhere from 17-35% of hands. Right now I am back to a relatively narrow range from the button as well as LP.

I make a conscious decision to play tight because it keeps me out of a lot of trouble spots and conserves chips.

I've probably posted my opening hand selection 10 different times on Cardschat and I bet there have been 5 different ranges amongst those. I have gone back and forth about playing 22-88 & AQ from EP and offsuit Aces <AT from the button. Truth is I always seem to revert to a very natural and comfortable selection. Everything else for me is an experiment.

So here it is in this incarnation.

Early: TT+ AQs+ AKo

MP: 88+ ATs+ AQo+ KJs+ QJs

HJ: 77+ A8s+ AJo+ KTs+ KQo QTs+ JTs+

CO: Add 55/66 A7s, A5s, ATo, KJo QJo to above

Button: 22+ A2s+ ATo+ K9s+ KTo+ Q9s+ QTo+ J9s+ JTo T9s

When I play like this my stats are usually 9/8 to 10/9 depending on table conditions.

 

[bgomez89]

Why call the 3 bet OOP with TT?

 

[orangepeeleo]

Skim read much?? It's there in the paragraph above that hand lol