**** Nuts in May cash thread ****

[loafes]

Calming down a bit now. Sorry about the bad beat post. I know bad beat posts are pretty pointless and you've all seen them before.

Although I'm legit interested in hearing any tips on how to curb tilt. I've been thinking of playing a lot more hu games ans have done alright to start, but if this is how I react to standard variance then how can I deal with hu variance.

 

[loafes]

Actually I'm just amused now. I can't believe I got worked up over poker lol.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Ok, bit of a wall'o'text, so I skimmed, but read the beginning and end, and am curious why you kept going until you lost 10 BI's? It's one thing to play an aggressive bankroll (I've done it myself a number of times) and play a limit with only 20 BI's. It's entirely another to keep playing while you lose half of it without moving down. You were playing 16nl so you had the ability to move down pretty easily to rebuild.

Like I get that you thought your play was unaffected, but really this actually has a lot less to do with tilt than you seem to think. Sounds like you didn't really tilt much until the 4th or 5th cooler, so I mean, whatever. You're gonna get mad at runbad sometimes. It's not ideal, but it's pretty alright tbh.

What's not alright is that you dumped half your roll without even realizing it.

I mean how does that happen? The beats really honestly didn't affect you to the point where you didn't even realize you were having a big losing session? From the hands you've described I only see 600-700bb of loss. Idk what that means, but you should prob think about it.

But basically takeaway here is that it's fine to play an aggro roll, but not if you're going to keep playing after losing 4-5 BI's. Especially not if you can lose half your roll without realizing it until you check the cashier.

 

[loafes]

I mean how does that happen? The beats really honestly didn't affect you to the point where you didn't even realize you were having a big losing session? From the hands you've described I only see 600-700bb of loss. Idk what that means, but you should prob think about it.
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The thing is I actually thought I was doing well on the other tables, obviously I lost some big pots without paying too much attention because I must have felt they were plus EV spots. I was sitting with more than $50 on 1 table so I just sort of assumed that what I was winning was some compensation for the big pots I was losing.

I think I'm not one to really be too concerned about my bankroll when I think I have an edge, I really don't think I play scared which is why I use aggressive bankroll management. I was sort of planning to use a 20 buy in model for anything below 25nl at which point I'd start to use more caution. I guess the amount of times I've built up from small amounts has sort of made me callous to the value of money. I kind of feel like I can always just win it back by grinding when necessary.


Also just rechecked cashier, it seems I lost a little less than 9 buy ins, rather than a full 10. Still a big chunk of my roll though.

 

[duggs]

posted heaps and heaps of hands in my thread guys

 

[Matt Vaughan]

The thing is I actually thought I was doing well on the other tables, obviously I lost some big pots without paying too much attention because I must have felt they were plus EV spots. I was sitting with more than $50 on 1 table so I just sort of assumed that what I was winning was some compensation for the big pots I was losing.

I think I'm not one to really be too concerned about my bankroll when I think I have an edge, I really don't think I play scared which is why I use aggressive bankroll management. I was sort of planning to use a 20 buy in model for anything below 25nl at which point I'd start to use more caution. I guess the amount of times I've built up from small amounts has sort of made me callous to the value of money. I kind of feel like I can always just win it back by grinding when necessary.


Also just rechecked cashier, it seems I lost a little less than 9 buy ins, rather than a full 10. Still a big chunk of my roll though.

Yes but the thing is once you dropped below 20 buyins you weren't using a 20 BI model. If you'd said "I'll drop down at 15 BI, then back up when I have 20 BI's for 16nl," it'd be fine. You'd have moved down at $240, and had 24 BI's for 10nl. Pretty easy to build back. But when you don't have a guideline, it's too easy to lose a bunch (or not even that much) that's not very easy to build back. Let's say you lost 10 BI's at 16nl off your 20 BI roll. Well now you wouldn't even technically be rolled for 10nl based on your 20-BI guideline. You'd only have $160. So you'd be back to 5nl, which would really stunt your growth back to 16nl and beyond. You say it's easy to grind back, but it does take time.

I think a lot of people think of aggressive BRM as being "moving up aggressively," but it also means moving down aggressively.

 

[Logan2]

You guys think 300 milestone on Stars is going to hit today?.

Best strategy to hit ?, just open a table on most stakes and try to play BE?.

I think last year hit on 5nl and everyone playing there get like $200.

so thinking on open at least 1 from 2nl to 10nl and when number is close open also one on 25nl and 50nl, i mean just droping blinds going to cost 75c on fifty
so giving like 4-5 rounds just to see if hit could be worth it right?.


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[OMGITSOVER9K]

I don't think spreading your table stakes gives you any more EV if you're playing the same amount of tables. since the milestone hands are random as to which table they'll hit, 10 tables at 2nl = 2 at 2nl-50nl

 

[duggs]

everyone at the limit gets something for the big one apparently 9k

 

[Logan2]

Yeah, not talking about the individual milestones but the big one 300.

There is a countdown clock on stars lobby so you can actually know when is coming close, no matter if are playing 6max or FR, if you are playing the same stake when the big one hit all players on that stake get a prize no matter if not was on table that hit.

I think peels was there on 5nl last year and get a prize like $200+ and was not on the winning table.

Read the stake share part.

Milestone Hands 1-299

Players at the table dealt a regular Milestone Hand will win prizes as follows:

• Winner of the hand: (# of VPPs in last 50 hands x $60) + $100 = Cash prize
• Other players at table: (# of VPPs in last 50 hands x $30) + $50 = Cash prize

For example, if you earn 5 VPPs in the 49 hands before the Milestone Hand, and 1 VPP in the Milestone Hand itself, then you would be awarded a $460 cash prize if you won the hand (6 * $60 + $100), and $230 if you lost the hand (6 * $30 + $50).
A minimum of $600,000 will be awarded across the 300 Milestone Hands. Any outstanding money in the prize pool after 299 Milestone Hands have been dealt will be added to the Milestone Hand 300 Stake Share.
Milestone Hand 300

Players at the table dealt into the Milestone Hand 300 will win prizes as follows:

• Winner of hand: (# of VPPs in last 50 hands x $1,000) + $4,000 = Cash prize
• Other players at table: (# of VPPs in last 50 hands x $500) + $2,000 = Cash prize

For example, if you earn 5 VPPs in the 49 hands before the Milestone Hand, and 1 VPP in the Milestone Hand itself, then you would be awarded with a $10,000 cash prize if you won the hand (6 * $1000 + $4,000), and $5,000 if you lost the hand (6 * $500 + $2,000).
Stake Share - Minimum giveaway of $100,000 - How it works

Once all 300 Milestone Hand prizes have been calculated, whatever is left of the $700,000 promotion award fund will be shared between all players dealt into the same stake, betting structure and game type (for example: $0.50/$1, No Limit Hold’em) at the exact time Milestone Hand 300 is dealt.
This remaining prize pool will then be split proportionally among all players, based on the number of VPPs each player has earned in the 49 hands leading up to Milestone Hand 300. No matter how much is awarded across the Milestone Hands, we’re guaranteeing a minimum Stake Share of $100,000, but the giveaway could be even bigger!

 

[Logan2]

Looking countdown probably hit tomorrow or friday though.

Last time was sleep when happen and when enter to play was already over, so looking to get something this time, unless hit on middle/high stakes.

Individual milestones not worth to chase though.
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[OMGITSOVER9K]

everyone at the limit gets something for the big one apparently 9k

fair enough, guess im 12 tabling to 2nl to 50nl lol

 

[duggs]

PokerStars - $0.50 Ante $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 460.16 BB (VPIP: 25.77, PFR: 18.54, 3Bet Preflop: 5.84, Hands: 1,970)
BB: 253.92 BB (VPIP: 28.93, PFR: 20.46, 3Bet Preflop: 4.80, Hands: 934)
Hero (BTN): 269.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB, 3 players post ante of 0.2 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.1 BB) Hero has J:club: K:heart:

Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (7.1 BB, 2 players) 2:diamond: J:spade: 5:spade:
BB checks, Hero bets 4.6 BB, BB raises to 16.58 BB, Hero calls 11.98 BB

Turn: (40.26 BB, 2 players) 2:spade:
BB bets 26 BB, Hero calls 26 BB

River: (92.26 BB, 2 players) 4:spade:
BB bets 48 BB, Hero raises to 223.72 BB and is all-in, fold

[spoil]Hero wins 185.26 BB
[/spoil]

 

[OMGITSOVER9K]

spewmaster duggs

 

[duggs]

spewmaster duggs

I spew so pure tho.


http://gyazo.com/b883f6f18b1cb1fd4cf100bb4f721151

 

[hackmeplz]

I really like the river raise. Not sure you have to make it so big though.

 

[hackmeplz]

Also I think turn is a fold.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Turn = clear fold. River is sexy af tho.

 

[redwards92]

lol decided to watch one of the milestone hands and it ended up being on a 10/20 deep ante PLO table where one player ends up losing 2K even after the milestone award :laugh: He was the one that ended up with AAxx preflop too lol.

 

[loafes]

:icon_puke


*Hold'em No Limit, $0.02 / $0.05 (6-handed) - Played on pokerstars. Converted by GrinderSchool's Hand History Converter

Seat 1: Btn ($5.57 in chips)
Seat 2: SB ($7.11 in chips)
Seat 3: BB ($4.93 in chips)
Seat 4: UTG ($7.61 in chips)
Seat 5: MP ($11.03 in chips)
Seat 6: HERO (CO) ($5 in chips)

SB posts small blind $0.02
BB posts big blind $0.05

PreFlop: Dealt to HERO [T

Q

]
UTG folds, MP calls $0.05, HERO raises to $0.20, 3 folds, MP calls $0.15

*** FLOP *** 4

9

6

(Pot=$0.47)
MP checks, HERO bets $0.20, MP calls $0.20

*** TURN *** 8

(Pot=$0.87)
MP checks, HERO bets $0.50, MP calls $0.50

*** River *** 3

(Pot=$1.87)
MP bets $0.95, HERO raises to $4.10(AI), MP calls $3.15

*** Showdown *** (Pot=$10.07)
HERO shows [T

Q

]
MP shows [2

5

]

MP wins $9.65


:icon_puke I think I need to stop playing for a while. I've been playing so bad these last few days, don't know if there is some underlying agitation. Total spew on my part, but I thought player was a reg and I was getting folds from a lot of pops that weren't sets etc. Never put them on the hand they had.

 

[DunningKruger]

^^ Hmm yeah stop playing for awhile.

I don't play much poker in the summer months either. Get out, enjoy life, play some tennis, go to clubs, rent a houseboat with your buddies, etc.

 

[duggs]

PokerStars - $0.50 Ante $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 115.4 BB (VPIP: 27.99, PFR: 17.37, 3Bet Preflop: 5.21, Hands: 2,271)
CO: 395.94 BB (VPIP: 33.58, PFR: 27.58, 3Bet Preflop: 9.92, Hands: 546)
Hero (BTN): 257.38 BB
SB: 54.58 BB (VPIP: 41.38, PFR: 17.24, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 29)
BB: 110.5 BB (VPIP: 19.87, PFR: 14.34, 3Bet Preflop: 7.59, Hands: 814)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB, 5 players post ante of 0.2 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.5 BB) Hero has 9:diamond: 4:diamond:

UTG raises to 115.2 BB and is all-in, CO raises to 395.74 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 257.18 BB and is all-in, SB calls 53.88 BB and is all-in, BB calls 109.3 BB and is all-in

Flop: (795.24 BB, 5 players) 9:spade: 6:heart: 8:heart:

Turn: (795.24 BB, 5 players) K:diamond:

River: (795.24 BB, 5 players) 5:diamond:

[spoil]CO shows Q:spade: A:diamond: (High Card, Ace)
Main Pot [272.9 BB]: (Pre 19%, Flop 7%, Turn 3%)
Side Pot#1 [223.68 BB]: (Pre 42%, Flop 19%, Turn 7%)
Side Pot#2 [14.7 BB]: (Pre 49%, Flop 26%, Turn 7%)
Side Pot#3 [283.96 BB]: (Pre 64%, Flop 25%, Turn 14%)

Hero shows 9:diamond: 4:diamond: (One Pair, Nines)
Main Pot [272.9 BB]: (Pre 12%, Flop 12%, Turn 1%)
Side Pot#1 [223.68 BB]: (Pre 10%, Flop 12%, Turn 1%)
Side Pot#2 [14.7 BB]: (Pre 19%, Flop 61%, Turn 5%)
Side Pot#3 [283.96 BB]: (Pre 36%, Flop 75%, Turn 86%)

UTG shows K:club: 4:club: (One Pair, Kings)
Main Pot [272.9 BB]: (Pre 23%, Flop 10%, Turn 63%)
Side Pot#1 [223.68 BB]: (Pre 27%, Flop 10%, Turn 62%)
Side Pot#2 [14.7 BB]: (Pre 31%, Flop 13%, Turn 88%)

BB shows 9:club: 7:spade: (Straight, Nine High)
Main Pot [272.9 BB]: (Pre 25%, Flop 63%, Turn 30%)
Side Pot#1 [223.68 BB]: (Pre 21%, Flop 60%, Turn 29%)

SB shows Q:club: A:club: (High Card, Ace)
Main Pot [272.9 BB]: (Pre 21%, Flop 7%, Turn 3%)

UTG wins 14.7 BB
Hero wins 283.96 BB
BB wins 491.58 BB
[/spoil]

 

[loafes]

^sitting here thinking what the actual ****, then I realised that poker stars is doing the milestone hands at the moment lol

 

[redwards92]

wait did you actually just hit another milestone hand? WTF!

 

[duggs]

Yup lol, guy sitting out was going on about joker stars for like 2 hours then say out to take a piss lol he blew up so bad