--micromachine's beginner cash game thread--

[fletchdad]

Starting to dabble in cash games. Subscribing, and GL to OP!

 

[Jurn8]

hand 1 - raise flop
hand 2 - call and note he overbets bottom pair then bets like 1/2 pot with hands with poor SD value
hand 3 - if you think he was weak flat to keep his bluffs in, hes basically committed so just call it off on the turn.

 

[jbbb]

These two hands occurred one after the other, against the same villain. The first hand made me think he was weak and aggressive so in the second hand I shoved over his flop bet with my top pair hand. In this case I was correct but I wondered after whether the play was actually a bit reckless since I knew basically nothing about him (had played 10 hands against) and based my play entirely on the previous hand.

What do you think?

I was lucky this time but I think I tend to form impressions about other players too quickly and then they take me by surprise. So how many hands do you think you need on a player to have any kind of read? Is 50 enough?


Poker Stars - $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em (5 players)
Poker Stars Hand Converter Tool from CardsChat.com

SB: $1.95
BB Hero: $1.66
UTG: $5.72
CO: $2
BTN: $0.72

Pre-flop: ($0.03) Hero is BB and dealt
3 folds, SB raises to $0.08, Hero calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.16) (2 players)
SB bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20

Turn: ($0.56) (2 players)
SB bets $0.22, Hero calls $0.22

River: ($1) (2 players)
SB bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30

Final Pot: $1.60

Showdown:
SB shows (a pair of threes)
Hero shows (a pair of tens)
Outcome: Hero wins $1.53

I like this play. Raising any street makes little sense and your hand has great SDV so calling each street is good. The Q changes nothing. Always make a note about his holdings. BvB situations make good notes as people tend to play weirdly in these situations.

Poker Stars - $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em (4 players)
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SB Hero: $2.39
BB: $5.72
UTG: $2
BTN: $1.15

Pre-flop: ($0.03) Hero is SB and dealt
UTG raises to $0.06, BTN calls $0.06, Hero calls $0.05, BB calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.24) (4 players)
Hero bets $0.17, 2 folds, BTN raises to $0.56, Hero raises to $1.91, BTN calls $0.53 (All-in), Hero returned $0.82

Turn: ($2.42) (2 players)

River: ($2.42) (2 players)

Final Pot: $2.42

Showdown:
Hero shows (a pair of tens)
Outcome: Hero wins $2.30

Don't really like this play he's rarely going to call your flop 3bet with worse than JT. I'd be tempted to fold pre rather than play a really dominated hand OOP multiway, although the immediate odds aren't bad.

Pre-flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN and dealt
2 folds, CO calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.08, SB calls $0.07, BB folds, CO calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.26) (3 players)
SB bets $0.18, CO calls $0.18, Hero calls $0.18

Always raise this flop, 100% of the time.

 

[micromachine]

A few interesting hands

Hi there,

Had a few interesting hands last night that I marked for review, any comments on my play are appreciated.

Hand1-Should I have folded that set?
Hand2-Good call by me? Or dangerous?
Hand3-Don't really need comments here lol
Hand4-Should I have bet more one the river?

Thx

Hand 1)

Poker Stars - $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em (6 players)
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SB Hero: $3.05
BB: $1.93
UTG: $3.48
MP: $2.08
CO: $2.10
BTN: $1.72

Pre-flop: ($0.03) Hero is SB and dealt
4 folds, Hero raises to $0.06, BB calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.12) (2 players)
Hero bets $0.09, BB calls $0.09

Turn: ($0.30) (2 players)
Hero bets $0.21, BB raises to $0.42, Hero calls $0.21

River: ($1.14) (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $1.02, Hero folds, BB returned $1.02

Final Pot: $1.14

Showdown:
BTN mucks his hand
Outcome: BB wins $1.09

Hand 2)

Poker Stars - $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em (5 players)
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SB Hero: $1.94
BB: $2.42
UTG: $5.45
CO: $2
BTN: $3.72

Pre-flop: ($0.03) Hero is SB and dealt
2 folds, BTN raises to $0.09, Hero calls $0.08, BB folds

Flop: ($0.20) (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.18, Hero calls $0.18

Turn: ($0.56) (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $3.45 (All-in), Hero calls $1.67 (All-in), BTN returned $1.78

River: ($3.90) (2 players)

Final Pot: $3.90

Showdown:
Hero shows (two pair, aces and threes)
Outcome: Hero wins $3.71

Hand 3)

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SB: $2.03
BB Hero: $1.98
UTG: $6.78
MP: $3.30
CO: $7.44
BTN: $6.87

Pre-flop: ($0.03) Hero is BB and dealt
UTG calls $0.02, 2 folds, BTN raises to $0.06, SB folds, Hero calls $0.04, UTG calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.19) (3 players)
Hero bets $0.10, UTG calls $0.10, BTN folds

Turn: ($0.39) (2 players)
Hero bets $0.20, UTG calls $0.20

River: ($0.79) (2 players)
Hero bets $1.62 (All-in), UTG calls $1.62

Final Pot: $4.03

Showdown:
Hero shows (a full house, tens full of queens)
UTG shows (two pair, queens and sixes)
Outcome: Hero wins $3.83

Hand 4)

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SB: $1.75
BB: $2.66
UTG: $2.33
MP: $2.14
CO: $0.27
BTN Hero: $2.19

Pre-flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN and dealt
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.06, SB folds, BB calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.13) (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.09, BB calls $0.09

Turn: ($0.31) (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($0.31) (2 players)
BB bets $0.30, Hero raises to $0.75, BB calls $0.45

Final Pot: $1.81

Showdown:
Hero shows (a straight, Ten to Ace)
Outcome: Hero wins $1.72

 

[brank]

Hnad 1. Never folding here. I'd 3bet/shove the turn cause we get a lot of calls from 2 pair hands and combo draws like pair + FD hands or pair + straight/FD.

Hand 2. 3 bet preflop. /hand

Hand 3. Lol. Id bet more on the flop though since board is so wet. Like .16-.19 or something.

Hnad 4. Nh. Nitpicking... I'd always raise at least 4-5x with value hands at nl2 since people generaly dont fold much and we dominate a lot of hands that will be calling from the blinds.

 

[Jurn8]

Hand 1 - If we say he has a completed flush 100% of the time we have 10 outs to boat up which we need 3.6/1 and he is giving us 5.43/1 so flat and boat up ftw!
Fine as played

Hand 2 - 3bet pre, what was your plan for calling flop ?

Hand 3 - donk bigger like .14 or .15, nit picking but more value as he will still peel naked diamond hands. and wtf at outcome lol

Hand 4 - No its thin enough

 

[Jurn8]

Hnad 1. I'd 3bet/shove the turn cause we get a lot of calls from 2 pair hands and combo draws like pair + FD hands or pair + straight/FD.

min raise turn, vbet river is a standard screaming strength line from a weak/passive player

3b jamming turn is an absolute spew

 

[micromachine]

Hand 1 - If we say he has a completed flush 100% of the time we have 10 outs to boat up which we need 3.6/1 and he is giving us 5.43/1 so flat and boat up ftw!
Fine as played

Hand 2 - 3bet pre, what was your plan for calling flop ?

Hand 3 - donk bigger like .14 or .15, nit picking but more value as he will still peel naked diamond hands. and wtf at outcome lol

Hand 4 - No its thin enough

Thanks 4 the feedback brank and Jurn. I have a couple of questions...

- For hand 1, I see that flat calling in hope of making full house is a good play, and it is basically what I did. I didn't quite get where the 5.43/1 odds come from though? I can't see any point in the hand where my odds are that good.

- For hand 2, I agree a 3-bet preflop would have been good here. My thinking for calling his flop bet was basically to float - quite often they give up and check the turn, I make a 1/2 pot bluff bet and they fold. I think it works especially well here as my hand is strong and could still make a nh on the turn or river. In the end he just had 52o lol, maybe he was trying to use the ace as a scare card?

 

[taaron]

Hand 3 - donk bigger like .14 or .15, nit picking but more value as he will still peel naked diamond hands. and wtf at outcome lol

Lol
What is J6o not a reasonable UTG hand to open w/. . .lol. . .
btw. . .good thread!

 

[KerouacsDog]

subscribin, good luck MM, im doing the same as you, having come from a mtt/sng background.
https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-games-11/

 

[micromachine]

Hmmmm not such a good weekend...

My 2NL 6max graph took a turn for the worse

Gonna look through PT3 data and try and work out what I'm doing wrong.

My bankroll is $106 and I'm about to get another $50 bonus, which will mean I have around $150 - 75 buy-ins for 2NL and 30 buy-ins for 5NL.

I'm gonna stay at 2NL until I am beating it though (might take a while lol).

 

[micromachine]

How could I have played this one differently - it seems like even if I had bet the pot on the flop and turn he would have called anyway, would shoving the flop be safer here as my 2 pair is bottom two pair? Or was I just ul?

Poker Stars - $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em (6 players)
Poker Stars Hand Converter Tool from CardsChat.com

SB Hero: $2.41
BB: $2
UTG: $1.50
MP: $3
CO: $5
BTN: $2

Pre-flop: ($0.03) Hero is SB and dealt
3 folds, BTN raises to $0.06, Hero calls $0.05, BB calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.18) (3 players)
Hero bets $0.10, BB calls $0.10, BTN folds

Turn: ($0.38) (2 players)
Hero bets $0.37, BB calls $0.37

River: ($1.12) (2 players)
Hero bets $1.07, BB calls $1.07

Final Pot: $3.26

Showdown:
Hero shows (two pair, eights and sevens)
BB shows (two pair, aces and tens)
Outcome: BB wins $3.10

 

[KerouacsDog]

pot-bet flop, board is quite heavy for draws, turn bet is ok, but if you had pot bet flop then turn bet would be much higher in your favour, again by river pot would be much higher. he got lucky on river.

whats your stats for 6 max, as I really dont like how your graph is going, seems you have some leaks to plug.

(sorry if I sound like Im a pro, I dont mean to, just that if that was my graph Id be worried, unless you've had a lot of suckouts............)

 

[RVladimiro]

I don't think you could have played it differently the same way the villain could not have played it differently. He would never leave his TPTK and you would never leave you 2P. The river is a outer, it's poker.

Could you post the hands in HH please instead of the thread? It's kinda hard to discuss hands when there are a lot of them in the same thread and you'll probably get more feedback.

 

[micromachine]

whats your stats for 6 max, as I really dont like how your graph is going, seems you have some leaks to plug.

(sorry if I sound like Im a pro, I dont mean to, just that if that was my graph Id be worried, unless you've had a lot of suckouts............)

Yeah it is a bit worrying lol but I think I will be able to get back in the plus, its just going to take a while I think I need to be more patient and stop going too far in hands where I'm not sure whether I am ahead.

here are my stats for 6max...hope you can read them. Should I provide any others?

Thanks

 

[RVladimiro]

You are calling too much from SB and BB and I wonder if you are completing the SB instead of raising. Your VPIP is much much higher than your PFR in the SB. Personally I prefer to 3bet or fold the blinds.

Your VPIP is way bigger than your PFR. Maybe you have a static range that you call with. Also, your VPIP and PFR should be very different and growing from the blinds to the button but VPIP is almost the same in all, except SB, which would be fine if you were stealing, which you are not considering the PFR is very low.

It is pretty obvious that you know how to play in position (since you win more in BTN) but I think your problem is mostly the blinds. Try a more aggressive approach PF: raise if you are opening or ahead of the villains range or fold if you are not. If not sure, just fold.

 

[micromachine]

Thanks Vlad,
Yeah I think my 3-betting game needs a lot of work. Calling too much from the blinds is for sure a problem, I'll work on tightening up my range. My starting hands need to be modified for my position more - now I just use pretty much the same range but fold a few hands near the bottom of the range if I am UTG or UTG+1. I think I cold call raises by others too often and that is what makes such a large diff between VPIP and PFR. It is not simply limping, which I hardly ever do, and you can see that from the 3 away from button stats where the VPIP and PFR are really close.

Will post my hands in HH from now, and save this for more general discussion

 

[JOEBOB69]

Would like to know what your fold SB,BB to steal is.Whats your 3bet% from the blinds?What your fold to 3bet%.And your squeeze % is
Edit:i see your 3bet from the blinds % barley,,, 1.3% way to low for 6 max needs to be atleast 5%+ go after players with 30%+steal.

 

[micromachine]

Would like to know what your fold SB,BB to steal is.Whats your 3bet% from the blinds?What your fold to 3bet%.And your squeeze % is
Edit:i see your 3bet from the blinds % barley,,, 1.3% way to low for 6 max needs to be atleast 5%+ go after players with 30%+steal.

Here they are, hope u can read it. Same order as above stats...

 

[RVladimiro]

Thanks Vlad,
Yeah I think my 3-betting game needs a lot of work. Calling too much from the blinds is for sure a problem, I'll work on tightening up my range. My starting hands need to be modified for my position more - now I just use pretty much the same range but fold a few hands near the bottom of the range if I am UTG or UTG+1. I think I cold call raises by others too often and that is what makes such a large diff between VPIP and PFR. It is not simply limping, which I hardly ever do, and you can see that from the 3 away from button stats where the VPIP and PFR are really close.

Will post my hands in HH from now, and save this for more general discussion

To be honest, I did what you said in August and it was my worst month ever. What I was doing was I had a range for each position (even posted in my journal) and if it was limped or unopened I'd raise, if it was already open I'd call. Stats wise, this meant that my VPIP/PFR relation was very very far away but to make things worst, it also meant that I was playing dominated hands from the button most of the time.

What I do now is that I do have a range to open when I enter the table and after I get how the table is behaving, I adjust my calling range per position and per villain. Before that I NEVER CALL. Let's say I'd open JTo from CO, that doesn't mean I'll call it or even raise it if there's a 20/0 passive fish limping from EP. I just muck it and don't think about it again. Now let's say that I open 97s from CO and a aggro fish 3bets from the BB. If he has a PF 3bet of +40% (not that unusual) I'll call and build my hand OTF.

I made up an easy to never forget my opening range. It's made by the lowest broadway card, suited cards, suited aces and suited kings. Pairs depend on who's in, who's behind, if it's limped, my position, stacks, etc.

EP: Q (meaning AK, AQ, KQ), JTs
MP: J, 43s, AXs
CO: T, 42s, AXs, KXs
BT: 9, 52s, AXs, KXs

Keep in mind that depending on who is in the blinds, I will tighten or widen this range. Calling range depends on position and villain, same for 3betting range.

Regarding the blinds... if I have a 22/20 guy stealing 25% I'll 3bet him with TT+, AK, AQ, KQ, QJs, call with any pair if the stacks are right) and fold the rest. If he is stealing 50% I'm going to 3bet him with any playable hand until he gets it which he will or will keep giving you money.

My epiphany was to play my villains range, not my own. My winnings improved massively after I started playing with non static ranges.

 

[KerouacsDog]

You are calling too much from SB and BB and I wonder if you are completing the SB instead of raising. Your VPIP is much much higher than your PFR in the SB. Personally I prefer to 3bet or fold the blinds.

Your VPIP is way bigger than your PFR. Maybe you have a static range that you call with. Also, your VPIP and PFR should be very different and growing from the blinds to the button but VPIP is almost the same in all, except SB, which would be fine if you were stealing, which you are not considering the PFR is very low.

It is pretty obvious that you know how to play in position (since you win more in BTN) but I think your problem is mostly the blinds. Try a more aggressive approach PF: raise if you are opening or ahead of the villains range or fold if you are not. If not sure, just fold.

Im not very good with stats, but RV pretty much said it all. You seem to complete way too much in SB, either fold or raise.

Thanks Vlad,
Yeah I think my 3-betting game needs a lot of work. Calling too much from the blinds is for sure a problem, I'll work on tightening up my range. My starting hands need to be modified for my position more - now I just use pretty much the same range but fold a few hands near the bottom of the range if I am UTG or UTG+1. I think I cold call raises by others too often and that is what makes such a large diff between VPIP and PFR. It is not simply limping, which I hardly ever do, and you can see that from the 3 away from button stats where the VPIP and PFR are really close.

Will post my hands in HH from now, and save this for more general discussion

Bolded, yeah, posting in other thread is fine, but its also fine to post here, one or two, as Im following this thread and will add my input, even if it is wrong..............

 

[JOEBOB69]

Here is mine this is from 4nl on merge6max only ~9k hands.Haven't played much since 4-15 but ya know.
67bb\100
vp$ip 26pfr24
3bet total 7.9%
Steal 41%
squeeze 6.7%
BB fold to steal 74%
SB fold to steal 81%
Edit:fold to 3bet total 71% an should prob be higher

 

[KerouacsDog]

JB, your VPIP and PFR are excellent from what I gather. I find it hard to get those 2 close together. If theres no action in front of you, whats ur range u raise with?

 

[JOEBOB69]

Table and blind depended nitty table i can open 24off UTG(if i do that i have ill attentions if i get 3bet though).3bet manics on the button.sb,bb i might fold KJs,in the cuttoff.It just depends
The thing is unless set minning or getting great odds in the blinds with suited connectors to always be in the lead going to a flop.Folding to a 3bet is not a bad thing if you have a AJ type of hand etc.

 

[KerouacsDog]

thanks JB, for the info. I really like 6max, but I dont raise enough i guess, I need to change my style, and get the 2 figures together





sorry for hi-jack OP