Micro(2nl-25nl) cash game thread-October (Strat only)

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Yeah I see what you mean. I suppose I put too much weight on the fact that he might be tilting and would call with any old junk. And maybe I fall in love with AA too much and think I have to get my whole stack in pre or after the flop.

So what's best then? A $2.50 bet on the flop then shutdown/fold if he calls it/shoves? (because if I c-bet the turn too then I have almost put him all in anyway). Tbh if I bet $2.50 and he shoved over I would have a hard time folding.
 
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Didnt read the first hand properly, he calls AI with Ace high there in the turn but calls a smaller bet on the flop, why not just take the same line? He might be able to make a flop fold, what you know for sure is that he cant make a turn fold, so exploit that??
 
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Yeah you arent b/f'ing that flop, i just meant bet smaller to bring along more hands, we can re-evaluate on the turn but mostly im still going for value and barreling
 
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I like flop overshove in a tournament, not as much here.

as peel said, keep his range as wide as possible, let him have a floating range and a semi-bluffing range, etc.

I mean, he's going to call sometimes with pairs as well as some spite calls with 75/97 and he is tilting but let him tilt bluff, too.
 
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#2: against that player your money was most likely going in no matter what, but I prefer to chunk it to keep him in with more.

#1: nice flop! ;)
 
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Oh man, always the bridesmaid...

What they said! :D
 
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No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed)

Button ($52) - 29/25/3, 3bet = 12%, 3bet from BTN = 20%, f3bet = 94%, 800 hands.
SB ($146.36)
BB ($56.58)
UTG ($53)
Hero (MP) ($50)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 4
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, 4
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1 fold, Hero bets $1.50, Button raises $4.50, 2 folds, Hero raises $8.50, 1 fold

Total pot: $9.75

Results:
Hero had 4
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, 4
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(nothing).
Outcome: Hero won $15.25

Villain is a regular, because as you can see, I'm shot taking at this limit and already got 800 hands on the guy; he's at all 4 of my tables. Before anyone says move table/change position, there were two huge fishy types to my right. Besides which, I figure I need to start dealing with this regular and his rather predictable tendencies.

First thing... he 3bets llllllight from the BTN, and because I'm sure I've seen him pot it before now (that would make it a 3bet of $5 not $4.50) I wonder if the fact that he made it $4.50 in this case is a 'tell' in itself? Anyway, the real question here is MY bet sizing. What I'm trying to do is risk the least (I'm not going with my 4s to a shove or a 5bet obv), while getting the desired result (a fold). Looks like I got it here, but what do you others think? Looking at his fold to 3bet stats he is quite binary when it comes to decisions (i.e. I wasn't expecting a call).

I also noticed that he stopped 3 betting me from then on. Maybe he's made a note of it?

Anyone else have much experience at exploiting mass multitabling regs with stand out tendencies? I mean, is it worth analysing this guy further in my db on HEM, and if so, what would I look for? I checked him out on PTR and he has over 700k hands at 50NL and a graph that goes down, but not so much that he doesn't at least BE on bonuses. What I'm trying to say is... it appears as though he's not very good, but not a standard recreational 'fish' either.
 
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20% 3-bet from the button? Man, that is aggressive! I think I need to start looking at what seats my regs are 3-betting from the most. It looks like you have spotted a tendency here, and exploited it well. Your 4-bet is quite small though, less than 2X his 3-bet, I wonder whether he might have noticed and 5-bet bluffed you? I would find a 4-bet over 2X the amount of his 3-bet to be more convincing.

If you come across this guy all the time then it is worth analyzing him a bit more.
 
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I think I need to start looking at what seats my regs are 3-betting from the most.
Yeah I haven't got it on my HUD, but when I hover over the 3bet stat on my HUD (I'm using HEM) it shows by street. I think this is really useful, as some villains will habitually 3bet from more spots than others. Three obvious hot spots are the BTN, BB and SB (some villains /really/ love 3betting the SB, so it's something to be aware of imo).

Your 4-bet is quite small though, less than 2X his 3-bet, I wonder whether he might have noticed and 5-bet bluffed you?
That was the main thing I was wondering about here, but I guess he just didn't want to expend too much energy on me since he was mass multitabling? The action looked like this. I made it 1.50, he made it 4.50 and then I made it 10 (a raise of 8.50). So my raise wasn't by much as you say, but the amount I made it to might have looked OK in the face of the 4.50 sitting in front of him. Not sure though...

From the mathematical pov our (re)bluff needs to work around 70% to make it a profitable move on its own.
 
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BOOOOOOOOO!

I hope it doesn't die cos we had a some good discussions going here.

idk why me and a couple of others are the only ones posting here now? I thought people thought that a thread like this was a good idea :confused:
 
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What do we think about this one? I had no info on villain at all (first hand vs). I wasn't that scared by the over-card on the flop, then his turn bet felt weak, and when the river was a K it reduced the likelihood that he had one. Sometimes I think I should always fold PPs if there is an over-card and i face aggression (if i dont have a read) but this hand makes me think otherwise. Were my calls OK?

pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($2.13)
MP ($4.75)
Hero (CO) ($4.89)
Button ($1.46)
SB ($1.71)
BB ($0.99)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q
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, Q
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2 folds, Hero bets $0.08, 1 fold, SB raises to $0.20, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.42) 6
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, 10
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, K
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(2 players)
SB bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30

Turn: ($1.02) 5
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(2 players)
SB bets $0.54, Hero calls $0.54

River: ($2.10) K
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(2 players)
SB bets $0.67 (All-In), Hero calls $0.67

Total pot: $3.44 | Rake: $0.16

Results:
SB had A
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, 6
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(two pair, Kings and sixes).
Hero had Q
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, Q
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(two pair, Kings and Queens).
Outcome: Hero won $3.28
 
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Why did the turn bet feel weak?It was Half pot an he had only about the same left in his stack
 
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Why did the turn bet feel weak?It was Half pot an he had only about the same left in his stack

That's a good point, I didn't consider that. So do you think I should of folded? And when?
 
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I would have just shipped it in pre.
 
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I would have just shipped it in pre.

I just don't think this is the answer at 2NL and 5NL. Against most villains I will only be called by AA, KK and possibly AK, so I miss out on value.
 
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You get called by much worse than you think.And you are given yourself too many chances to over think the flop/turn an fold out the winning hand
 
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But I thought /everyone/ puts you on AK when you 3bet ;)

Dunno, I guess I'm never happy getting it in pre with QQ, we're often just flipping at best if he calls, but either that or call and fold to any aggression coupled with an overcard or two? By the river the hand is almost over anyway. Had the flop come KKx then you might argue that he's less likely to have a Kx hand. I guess sometimes you just end up calling down and either looking like a genius or an idiot.

Well, that's what I would have said had I not known the result :)

You're a GENIUS man !!!
 
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wow, this thread died bigtime!
Got any strat questions/thoughts that you could bring to this thread? That's the way to keep things moving.

Anyway, I've only just noticed that the title actually excludes me from posting my hands!
 
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Your not just flipping at best with QQ though.I have 4bet shove QQ+an have been called with any thing from 22+ to 78s.People are way loser at 5nl and lower than y'all think
 
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You mean micros stakes players in general are bad???

Breaking News Alert!!!
 
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Anyway, I've only just noticed that the title actually excludes me from posting my hands!

Keep posting 'em!

Your not just flipping at best with QQ though.I have 4bet shove QQ+an have been called with any thing from 22+ to 78s.People are way loser at 5nl and lower than y'all think

Doesn't seem to be the case at Stars unfortunately, I wish they would go all-in pre with 22 :D In my experience all-in pre for 100BB or more is AA/KK/QQ/AK over 90% of the time.
 
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Keep posting 'em!



Doesn't seem to be the case at Stars unfortunately, I wish they would go all-in pre with 22 :D In my experience all-in pre for 100BB or more is AA/KK/QQ/AK over 90% of the time.

Have you tried to just 3/4bet shove over a few thousand hand sample with QQ +??
 
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Keep posting 'em!



Doesn't seem to be the case at Stars unfortunately, I wish they would go all-in pre with 22 :D In my experience all-in pre for 100BB or more is AA/KK/QQ/AK over 90% of the time.
You do realize that even against a range of QQ+/AK you have 40% equity with QQ right? And when you factor in the $$ already in the pot you're generally going to be better getting AI against that range than you are folding to it.
 
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